Haggard stepping down amid gay affair inquiry

Denver Post ^ | 11-2-06 | Denver Post

[dogbyte12]

We do all sin. All of us. It is like an archer looking for a bullseye, and missing the mark. We pick up another arrow, and we aim ourselves the right way again.

[Balding_Eagle]

Seems to me he owes his supporters the truth and nothing else.

Shallow, sightsighted thinking. The kind of thinking that got us gay marrage and abortion on demand.

IF, IF, this is true it will impact th election here in CO.

He OWES those of us he has hurt (IF IF it's true) and he needs to pay ANY PRICE to minimize the impact on this election.

ANY PRICE

[streetpreacher]

May be. If not, we should still be thankful that the Lord is exposing hypocrisy in the body. First Paul Cain (leader of the health and wealth gospel), then Paul Cain (founder of the "prophetic" ministry) and now Haggard (who is a leader in the five fold "covering" movement, John Bevere is one of his members.

All are representative of the popular modern charismatic movement which is long overdue for a purging and purifying that it might become a tree that bears fruit for the Lord. We should of course pray for Haggard's restoration.

We're going to see more and more of this as this age draws to a close I believe.

Heb 12:25-29

25 See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? 26 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, "Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens." 27 The words "once more" indicate the removing of what can be shaken-that is, created things-so that what cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, 29 for our "God is a consuming fire."
(from New International Version)

[vox humana]

I seriously doubt this is true.

Why is it so hard to believe that preachers and politicians are any different from the general population? Some of them like gay sex!

[balch3]

the timing of this has absolutely nothing to do win the election being next week /sarc.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Says he went to Oral Roberts...

Are you saying a second Fred Garvin has emerged?

[dogbyte12]

It has everything to do with the election. I watched a Denver newscast online. This prostitute came to the Denver Post two months ago. They researched his claims, believed him, and then came out with this 5 days before the vote on same sex marriages. Politics has everything to do with it.

That being said, IF and I repeat IF, a minister of a congregation of 14,000 is paying a gay hooker for sex, it is news.

[streetpreacher]

There are levels of sin though. Sin is much more than missing the mark. It is a deliberate choice. It is a deep level of depravity that would cause a man to engage in a homosexual affair (of course Haggard is innocent until proven otherwise). It is not on par with stubbing one's toe and saying "damn".

[balch3]

it's nobody's business but the congregation and his family. That the MSM and RATS are trying to influence the election with this is despicable, but not surprisng. They'll stop at nothing.

[tioga]

I suspect that a long term homosexual relationship while married with children and professing to be Jesus' representative to a congregation.....well, this guy has committed a mortal sin and needs to worry about his salvation. He has done more then to merely sin or miss the mark. He has serious issues that he needs to clear up with God himself.

A venial sin like laziness or gluttony, yes we get up and move on. This is far more consequential than that.

He didn't just miss the target, he deliberately with forethought and full knowledge committed a serious sin that hurts his church and his family.

Sorry to sound preachy, but he is God's shepherd.....he should be held to higher standards.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

There are levels of sin though. Sin is much more than missing the mark. It is a deliberate choice. It is a deep level of depravity that would cause a man to engage in a homosexual affair (of course Haggard is innocent until proven otherwise). It is not on par with stubbing one's toe and saying "damn".

Exactly.

[dogbyte12]

Gotta disagree with you. It's like when Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton, or Jerry Falwell, or Pat Robertson, or Dr. Dobson say something, they are political ministers. So is Haggard. He has a weekly conference call with the White House. It's as fair game for these folks as for any other politician. They should at least be held to the same standards as politicians. They are ministers for pete's sake.

[dogbyte12]

Gotta disagree. If he truly repented now, truly repented if guilty of this sin, those sins would be washed away.

[tioga]

Of course, he may indeed be innocent. Time will tell.

[Cedric]

So, God grades sin on the "curve"?

[bahblahbah]

He doesn't have time. He resigned from his church, the NAE, and they canceled the press conference to support him. He's guilty in the eyes of the public. If he's innocent, he has made all the wrong moves to show that.

[Stone Mountain]

Who writes letters to their gay prostitute?

What, you never heard of a "Dear John" letter? Oh, that's a letter FROM their gay prostitute...

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Gotta disagree. If he truly repented now, truly repented if guilty of this sin, those sins would be washed away.

Well, you can't be disagreeing since you are not addressing what the post actually said. God will forgive even deep depravity if a person truly turns away from it...but if he is guilty, he no longer fits the qualifications to be a pastor as taught in scripture. He has disqualified himself. And he would have biblically released his wife from her marriage vows. And he would still suffer earthly consequences and shame. A true repenter will suffer all of these consequences with grace -- knowing they are just consequences that serve as a deterrent to others.

And a repenter would not lie about it. So if he is guilty of this great depravitiy, he is also guilty of lying about it right now. That's not a repentent soul who lies to cover up his sin.

Let's just hope it isn't true.

[Bat_Chemist]

That's a great point...you just don't step out of a committed, godly marriage and into a homosexual relationship without taking many small steps of rebellion which lead (eventually) to something like this. Adultery starts with lust. (And some people think flirting is always harmless...)