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Shocker: New York Times Confirms Iraqi Nuclear Weapons Program
NRO ^ | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 11/02/2006 8:09:04 PM PST by hipaatwo

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To: stylin19a

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1731252/posts?page=37#36


51 posted on 11/02/2006 8:25:31 PM PST by hipaatwo (Vote for your life. Every vote for a Democrat is a vote against victory.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
The way I read this is, "the incompetent Bush Administration" put documents on the internet telling people how to make a nuclear bomb. I think that's the point the slimes is trying to make. I don't think this is a good thing.

But, but it's impossible, cause IRAQ had no plans to make a nuclear bomb, so it can't be!

52 posted on 11/02/2006 8:25:39 PM PST by blondee123 (Politicians are like diapers, need to be changed often & for the same reason!)
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To: hipaatwo

Is John Kerry an advisor for the NY Times?


53 posted on 11/02/2006 8:25:45 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: PowerPro

ROFL


54 posted on 11/02/2006 8:25:54 PM PST by chaos_5
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To: FlingWingFlyer
The way I read this is, "the incompetent Bush Administration" put documents on the Internet telling people how to make a nuclear bomb. I think that's the point the slimes is trying to make. I don't think this is a good thing.


I think this COULD be a good thing! The NYTs can't see past there urges to slam Bush to the unintended consequences this may very well create!

This goes to VERY BIG -- the BIGGEST of the -- issues about the WHOLE IRAQ WAR -- did Saddam have active WMD programs.

The NYTs is saying yes -- to the WORLD.

Otherwise it would have just been JVeritias (sorry about spelling) would be the only one saying it the FAR less public quarters of Free Republic.... Did he have a nuke bomb program...YES HE DID!
55 posted on 11/02/2006 8:25:56 PM PST by Jackson Brown
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To: A Citizen Reporter

Their heads are going to spin clear off tomorrow.



Makes my day!


56 posted on 11/02/2006 8:26:23 PM PST by hipaatwo (Vote for your life. Every vote for a Democrat is a vote against victory.)
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To: mware

That was fast. I just got it a few minutes ago, don't have many Republicans in my address book, two of my kids is all I know for sure. Maybe they will announce it sooner or maybe it concerns something different. Maybe it is related, it got leaked to the NYT, and this is their pre-emptive strike. I'll try not to jump to conclusions.


57 posted on 11/02/2006 8:26:41 PM PST by Aliska
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To: hipaatwo

As long as Saddam had the money, and as long as he was in power he was going to have the money, he could have bought a nuke from Libya, North Korean, or that A.Q. Khan creep.


58 posted on 11/02/2006 8:26:48 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Global Warming Fears will do for the world what over population fears did for Europe.)
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To: Jackson Brown

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1618067/posts

Have you seen this old post? It seems he went so far as to test a device. There were quite a few casualties.


59 posted on 11/02/2006 8:27:28 PM PST by Sundog (Say a prayer for Westy -- he has been absent too long.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I don't think this is a good thing.

a. NYT has just confirmed that Saddam had viable WMD tech in his possession right to the end (he wasn't supposed to have it)

b. NYT is lamely spinning this as a story of U.S. ineptitude, but to buy their very shaky premise, you'd have to agree that such technology was "safer" in the hands of Saddam

c. NYT staff is out drinking or in bed right now - - - but the Pajama Media is just getting to work - - - too bad, NYT!

60 posted on 11/02/2006 8:27:32 PM PST by LikeLight (RYMB)
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To: hipaatwo
The New York Times is confirming that in 2002, Iraq was one year away from building an atomic bomb.

Umm, no. It's a poorly written paragraph of the article, but they're not saying Iraq was one year away from having an atomic bomb in 2002 - they mean 1991.

61 posted on 11/02/2006 8:27:34 PM PST by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: Aussie Dasher; SandRat

Iraqi security forces continue to develop into a capable force and continue to take the lead. On Tuesday in Ramadi, the 3rd Battalion of the 1st Brigade of the 7th Iraqi Army Division assumed responsibility in its area of operations.

This now makes 90 Iraq army battalions in the lead. In total today, there are six of 10 Iraqi army divisions in the lead, 30 of 36 Iraqi brigades, and 90 of 112 Iraqi battalions in the lead. And we operate in support of them.

All across Iraq, we continue to see an increasingly capable Iraqi security force continuing to take the lead.

http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6836&Itemid=30


62 posted on 11/02/2006 8:27:50 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Jackson Brown

OK-so if they are so in a wad about the documents showing the nuke program they are going to have to give equal weight to the documents that show he had a WMD program and when those documents are dated.

If anything, they have given notice to ALL the documents and their contents.


63 posted on 11/02/2006 8:27:56 PM PST by pnz1 (Halp!)
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To: hipaatwo

This has to go in the RYMB category


64 posted on 11/02/2006 8:27:57 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: hipaatwo; Aliska

Ping info & last nites article on this, here!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1730449/posts


65 posted on 11/02/2006 8:28:40 PM PST by blondee123 (Politicians are like diapers, need to be changed often & for the same reason!)
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To: Mo1

Chrissy Matthews will wet himself over another non story.


66 posted on 11/02/2006 8:29:01 PM PST by samadams2000 (Somebody important make....THE CALL!)
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To: msnimje

And do you know what %&!!@# you can do with Aluminum Tubes!!


67 posted on 11/02/2006 8:29:27 PM PST by MMcC
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To: CharlesWayneCT
If we don't let them, we can win the spin on this story.

Good post (#24). I hope you're right...

68 posted on 11/02/2006 8:29:41 PM PST by nutmeg (National security trumps everything else.)
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To: blondee123

Hi blondee123, please allow me to put my bookmark on your chair. :)


69 posted on 11/02/2006 8:29:58 PM PST by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: Aliska
Aliska, I dont know if that is going to be the content of the Move America Forward announcement. (BTW for those not familiar with them, they are not a liberal group)

..but I got a feeling this NYTimes article is somehow related to it.

70 posted on 11/02/2006 8:30:12 PM PST by mware
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To: LikeLight
a. NYT has just confirmed that Saddam had viable WMD tech in his possession right to the end (he wasn't supposed to have it)

No they aren't.

It's a surprisingly poorly-written and confusing article by NYT standards, but you've really got to read the thing twice and really understand the nature of the documents. They're reports BY the Iraqis TO the international inspectors, the Iraqis doing what they were required to do, summarizing the nuclear research they did PRIOR to the 1991 Gulf War.

71 posted on 11/02/2006 8:31:09 PM PST by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: hipaatwo
Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program.

Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program.

Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program.

Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program.

Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program.

Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program.

Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program.

Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program.

Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program.

Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program.

Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program.
72 posted on 11/02/2006 8:32:16 PM PST by Question Liberal Authority (Saddam Hussein Had A Nuclear Weapons Program)
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To: Strategerist
Here's the money quote, by the NYT, in it's very own words:

Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990’s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.

It doesn't get any sweeter than this. NYT confirms Bush was right on WMD!

73 posted on 11/02/2006 8:32:39 PM PST by LikeLight (RYMB)
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To: stylin19a

Iraq had not yet come up with a design for a workable weapon in 1991. Try again.


74 posted on 11/02/2006 8:32:39 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Jhengis Johnny was against an apology before he was for it, sort of.)
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To: hipaatwo
Ping me

OK, but it should be at the link I posted. I don't have any inside scoop or anything, just have a friend who kind of knows some people. This just came through as a newsletter to him it appears. He just helped me with a problem with some info I've been compiling, but I still need a good source.

75 posted on 11/02/2006 8:32:54 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Strategerist

So they just had the retained knowledge and could start it up as soon as they wanted to? Like, say, in a year?


76 posted on 11/02/2006 8:33:04 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: bnelson44

"Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war."

Captured during the war. First line of the article.


77 posted on 11/02/2006 8:34:15 PM PST by HarryCaul (www.whitehousepresscorps.com)
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To: Strategerist
Umm, no. It's a poorly written paragraph of the article, but they're not saying Iraq was one year away from having an atomic bomb in 2002 - they mean 1991.

Uh no they could not have meant that. Iraq did not have a workable design for a nuclear weapon in 1992.

78 posted on 11/02/2006 8:34:29 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Jhengis Johnny was against an apology before he was for it, sort of.)
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To: LikeLight
It doesn't get any sweeter than this. NYT confirms Bush was right on WMD!

If you consider "sweet" to be a very poorly written paragraph that you're completely misunderstanding, I guess.

79 posted on 11/02/2006 8:34:34 PM PST by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: hsalaw; Howlin; holdonnow
I'm sure Iran didn't need to read those documents in order to make a nuke - not only could they look up "how to build a nuclear bomb" on the internet, but Russia and/or Germany have probably given them a hand, as well.

Exactly!

80 posted on 11/02/2006 8:35:01 PM PST by nutmeg (National security trumps everything else.)
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To: Mo1

extra buttery


81 posted on 11/02/2006 8:35:23 PM PST by delchiante
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To: blondee123

OK, thanks! I figured there ought to be a thread about it, should have run a search. Maybe we ought to discuss it on that thread when it breaks. You people decide.


82 posted on 11/02/2006 8:35:31 PM PST by Aliska
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To: jwalsh07
Iraq had not yet come up with a design for a workable weapon in 1991. Try again.

No problem. China and Pakistan provided the little details. I refuse to lower myself to name calling.

83 posted on 11/02/2006 8:35:31 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Strategerist

Don't tell me. Somebody mispoke again, and WE are "misunderstanding". Twice in one week? LOL


84 posted on 11/02/2006 8:35:46 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter (Sign at World Series in St. Louis, October 27, 2006 "The Experts are Idiots")
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To: freema

So what we see in actions taking place all over Iraq is that Iraqis are taking charge of their country, and they're doing it valiantly.

Violence will flare up again in areas that are under Iraqi control. The question will be, can they handle these situations themselves?

In all these incidents they did; they responded and they returned calm to the areas.

The Iraqis brought an Iraqi solution to an Iraqi problem, which is precisely the strategy for Iraq.


85 posted on 11/02/2006 8:36:35 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
The way I read this is, "the incompetent Bush Administration" put documents on the internet telling people how to make a nuclear bomb. I think that's the point the slimes is trying to make. I don't think this is a good thing.

If you read the entire NYTimes article you'll find that the documents were posted at the behest of Congressional GOP leaders to prove that Iraq was indeed still trying to create a nuclear weapon which, of course, Iraq, the Times, Hans Blix, the UN, etc. all said Saddam Hussein was not doing. This story is clearly a liberal spin job and we are led to believe that the only documents on the website were these that are helpful to Iran. Of course, these documents would be helpful to any entity but the Times says helpful to Iran because there's more bang for the liberal buck that way.

Trust me when I tell you this pre-election surprise is a flat-out bust. The Times knows it and that's why they waited until Friday to run it.

86 posted on 11/02/2006 8:36:41 PM PST by blake6900 (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

see what I wrote at post #6...


87 posted on 11/02/2006 8:36:49 PM PST by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: Strategerist
Doesn`t matter when this was written nor if the UN had them. The Iraqis had them. That`s all the justification Bush needed, especially for the next 5 days.
88 posted on 11/02/2006 8:36:56 PM PST by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: jwalsh07

Is this revelation not consistent with David Kay's report on the status of Iraq's nuclear weapons program?


89 posted on 11/02/2006 8:37:22 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( I am sitting under my cone of silence, inside a copper wire cage wearing a tin foil hat...)
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To: samadams2000
Chrissy Matthews will wet himself over another non story.

I do believe it's time for FR to invent the "DIAPER BRIGADE"!

90 posted on 11/02/2006 8:37:25 PM PST by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: HarryCaul
It will be Thursday or Friday of next week before this story gets untangled. Until then most of the country is going to think the NYTs said Saddam had nukes.

Some October surprise!
91 posted on 11/02/2006 8:37:37 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: HarryCaul
Captured during the war. First line of the article.

It's a weird article, so I can sort of see how people are hopefully twisting it, but the strange thing, as I see it that is really confusing people (and which isn't made clear till the end of the article is this:

The documents that were made public that the proliferation experts are upset about were Iraqi reports MADE AT THE REQUEST OF IAEA INSPECTORS about their pre-1991 nuclear program.

It SEEMS that what was "captured" was the Iraqi copies of these reports they had given to the IAEA (of which the details and technical diagrams they didn't make public themselves) and then these were what was posted on the internet.

92 posted on 11/02/2006 8:37:50 PM PST by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: hipaatwo

NY Times and the IAEA are lying about it being "how to build the bomb" and I bet they are more worried about something more damaging that hasn't been published yet. Why would Iran go a US Government website when they can just go to Amazon.com?


93 posted on 11/02/2006 8:37:53 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Question Liberal Authority
Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program.

Say it ain't so! ;)

94 posted on 11/02/2006 8:38:32 PM PST by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: bybybill
Doesn`t matter when this was written nor if the UN had them. The Iraqis had them. That`s all the justification Bush needed, especially for the next 5 days.

The Iraqis had a nuclear weapons program in 1991. This story reveals that the Iraqis cooperated with the IAEA inspectors in making a report on what they had accomplished in that pre-1991 program.

95 posted on 11/02/2006 8:38:59 PM PST by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: Strategerist
Umm, no. It's a poorly written paragraph of the article...

Another botched joke incident? How likely is that?

96 posted on 11/02/2006 8:39:19 PM PST by LikeLight (RYMB)
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To: Jackson Brown
I've place my orders for tomorrow.

For FReepers:

For the NYT, Lefties:


97 posted on 11/02/2006 8:39:29 PM PST by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: hipaatwo

THANK YOU NEW YORK TIMES! I didn't know you wanted Reps to win after all. Thank you for telling the world Saddam was One Year away from having an ATOM BOMB!

And thank you for confirming we're not moronic idiots for believing it all along!


98 posted on 11/02/2006 8:39:41 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: HarryCaul

Jim Geraghty:

"I think the Times editors are counting on this being spun as a "Boy, did Bush screw up" meme; the problem is, to do it, they have to knock down the "there was no threat in Iraq" meme, once and for all. Because obviously, Saddam could have sold this information to anybody, any other state, or any well-funded terrorist group that had publicly pledged to kill millions of Americans and had expressed interest in nuclear arms. You know, like, oh... al-Qaeda."


99 posted on 11/02/2006 8:40:10 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Soul Seeker
THANK YOU NEW YORK TIMES! I didn't know you wanted Reps to win after all. Thank you for telling the world Saddam was One Year away from having an ATOM BOMB!

That Iraq was very close to a nuclear weapon just before Gulf War I has been very well known for quite some time now.

100 posted on 11/02/2006 8:40:27 PM PST by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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