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Emirates bails Airbus suppliers
Herald Sun (Australia) ^ | November 02, 2006 11:00pm | Geoff Easdown

Posted on 11/02/2006 9:47:46 PM PST by Paleo Conservative

EMIRATES Airlines coughed up its own funds to bail out cash-strapped suppliers of aircraft equipment caught by the Airbus super-jumbo delivery scandal. Maurice Flanagan, vice-chairman and president of Emirates Airlines, told BusinessDaily that some of the firms were not big.

"They produced (parts) on the expectation the aircraft would be delivered two years ahead of the date they will now be delivered," Mr Flanagan said after arriving in Melbourne yesterday.

"So we are having to bail some of them out.

"Otherwise they would have gone bust. They would not have got paid until the aircraft were there."

Emirates, the first airline to order the revolutionary 555-seat passenger Airbus jet, is buying a total of 45 aircraft worth $US19 billion.

Mr Flanagan is in Melbourne representing the airline as the official sponsor of next Tuesday's Melbourne Cup.

He told BusinessDaily that Emirates would have had 18 operational A380s now had Airbus met the original delivery schedule.

Asked how much money the airline had agreed to pay to makers of aircraft seats, galley equipment and other onboard items, Mr Flanagan replied: "We have just made that commitment and we are working our way through it".


(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: a380; airbus; emirates
Can the A380 saga get any stranger?

I had to excerpt, so if you want to read the whole story, you'll have to follow the link.

1 posted on 11/02/2006 9:47:47 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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2 posted on 11/02/2006 9:49:09 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

Emirates wants the plane for no other reason than bragging rights. Since they have basically an unlimited amount of money, they can spend whatever it takes to ensure they get their giant toys.


3 posted on 11/02/2006 9:51:53 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: Paleo Conservative
This week Emirates pulled out of a deal to buy up to 20 A340 passenger jets from Airbus, and promptly ordered 777 Boeing aircraft.

Good news for Boeing. I expect to be reading more stories like this in the near future.
4 posted on 11/02/2006 9:51:55 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Paleo Conservative

Mighty generous of them. Probably kept a lot of small shops out of bankruptcy, considering the cost of materials alone that are used in modern aircraft.


5 posted on 11/02/2006 9:53:20 PM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

And I'm sure this has improved their attitude toward Airbus. Emirates has a lot of money, but I'm sure it still ticks them off to have to bail out companies they'd contracted with to support their great white elephant that has yet to arrive. Yet one more straw on the camel's back.


6 posted on 11/02/2006 10:06:49 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Paleo Conservative

"Emirates, the first airline to order the revolutionary 555-seat passenger Airbus jet."

I thought Singapore was the first airline?

http://www.a380.singaporeair.com/news_pr_20051013.html


7 posted on 11/02/2006 10:13:06 PM PST by phantomworker (If you travel far enough, one day you will recognize yourself coming down the road to meet yourself.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

So why isn't Airbus responsible for paying their suppliers???

Did France and Germany agree to pay for more for oil from the Emirates so they could get cash indirectly to Airbus without violating the trade rules with us???


8 posted on 11/02/2006 10:53:28 PM PST by DB (©)
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To: DB
So why isn't Airbus responsible for paying their suppliers???

But some of the suppliers make parts that are specific to Emirates' configurations. Emirates has its own first and business class seats.

9 posted on 11/02/2006 10:58:09 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
I predict that production of the A380 will eventually be canceled. There's more things wrong with this plane than the wiring harness. Building a wiring harness, while complex for a plane such as this, is not rocket science, and definitely should not take two additional years to get right.
10 posted on 11/02/2006 11:18:03 PM PST by snoringbear
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To: Paleo Conservative

Then they're suppliers to the Emmerates and not Airbus.


11 posted on 11/02/2006 11:19:06 PM PST by DB (©)
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To: snoringbear

It's more than a wiring hang-up. The A380 is five and a half tons overweight today.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/290276_airbus28.html

Like I always say: "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going!"


12 posted on 11/02/2006 11:33:09 PM PST by M_Man
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To: Paleo Conservative

Maybe Emirites should just buy the A380 production facilities and operations from Airbus, lock, stock and barrel. That way they could have the A380 exclusively, and Airbus could use the cash infusion to pursue the A350 XWB.

And all of Emirites' competitors would get the shaft...


13 posted on 11/03/2006 3:27:41 AM PST by gridlock (The GOP will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: Paleo Conservative

You know, if Emirites bought all the specialty tooling and the design, they could import the expertise from France and the labor from Asia. They could pay a hard-working Bengladeshi $8.00 an hour instead of paying a surly Frenchman $80.00 and hour.

There reallly is no reason this couldn't be done. It looks like Emirites is buying the operation piecemeal, anyway. They might as well just buy the whole thing at once, and they would actually have something for their money.


14 posted on 11/03/2006 3:35:30 AM PST by gridlock (The GOP will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Oh, and under the above scenario, production is moved to some Third-World country, or perhaps to wherever it is that the Emirates are.


15 posted on 11/03/2006 3:38:09 AM PST by gridlock (The GOP will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: gridlock

Those are some plausible theories about the Emirates.


16 posted on 11/03/2006 5:41:06 AM PST by phantomworker (If you travel far enough, one day you will recognize yourself coming down the road to meet yourself.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

What kind of contracts did these suppliers have that they were in financial trouble because of their customer's delay? When I sell something, my customer has to pay me when they order and when they get the equipment, not when they get around to using the equipment. I don't know whether Airbus or Emirates actually wrote the purchase order for these components, but I wouldn't consider the payment for an order already placed to be a bailout. I'd have insisted that I be paid on schedule per the original contract, and then asked whether Airbus wanted to store the components they'd bought or whether they wanted to negotiate a storage fee with me to hold their equipment.


17 posted on 11/03/2006 8:32:57 AM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Turbopilot
In a lot of cases suppliers develop products at their own expense, but with a lot of input from their primary customer.

If they sunk a lot of their resources into developing products to go with the A380, I can see how a smaller company could find itself in serious financial trouble even if they held up production of those products.

They can get themselves in a situation where the life cycle on their current products is fading, and what they've been speeding their development time and money on isn't needed for two years.

That can do serious damage to even a sizable company.

18 posted on 11/03/2006 12:37:46 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Paleo Conservative
I'm not sure if this means that Emirates is buying items for the A380 before they need them, or if they are giving these companies some low interest loans to keep them viable until they need their products.

If Emirates is actually buying things that will go on the A380s, it would seem that they are committing to see this mess through and not cancel their A380 orders.

If they are lending suppliers money, those suppliers might be using that money to extend their product lines to supply items for more Boeing planes while they wait and see how Airbus recovers.

19 posted on 11/03/2006 12:42:33 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Paleo Conservative
Think this one through for a little bit.

The muslims are advancing in europe.

It is not yet time to strike & take over.

Fellow muslims put money on the table to prevent economic instability & political unrest.

20 posted on 11/03/2006 12:50:20 PM PST by CurlyDave
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