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Rice: Better to have Hamas in power than in streets
YNet ^ | Nov. 6, 2006

Posted on 11/06/2006 11:24:19 AM PST by Alouette

US secretary of state says Hamas government may be preferable to group 'running the streets, masked, with guns'

Associated Press Published: 11.06.06, 21:18

An elected Hamas government in the Palestinian territories may be preferable to the group operating outside the power structure and carrying out terrorist actions, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Monday.

Rice, speaking to a pro-democracy forum, made the point in arguing that that the United States should not retreat from its advocacy of democracy abroad when elections do not turn out well from the US point of view. Referring to Hamas, Rice said, "I am not so sure that it is better to have these groups running the streets, masked, with guns rather than having them have to face voters and having to deliver."

While the election that produced the Hamas victory was free and fair, she said Hamas has failed in its responsibility to obtain international acceptability. The result, Rice said, has been that the Palestinian people basically have been deprived of international assistance.

"The interesting point is would we have ever seen Hamas confronted with that dilemma without elections and without coming in to govern," Rice said.

She added that the international community should do more to convince Middle East groups that enter politics to give up terror.

While expressing disappointment with the drift toward repression in Egypt, Rice said the 2004 presidential elections produced some lasting benefits. "I don't believe that Egypt will ever go completely back to where it was in the wake of competitive presidential elections," She said.

"The kind of open debate that took place in Egypt, everywhere from in the press to cafes in Egypt, I'm told by people who were there, you don't ever really put that back in a bottle."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: foggyrockbottom; hamas; israel; rice
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"I am not so sure that it is better to have these groups running the streets, masked, with guns rather than having them have to face voters and having to deliver."

WTF!!!!

1 posted on 11/06/2006 11:24:21 AM PST by Alouette
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2 posted on 11/06/2006 11:25:11 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 77-78)
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To: Alouette

Think Robespierre...


3 posted on 11/06/2006 11:25:45 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Alouette
Exactly Alouette- Rice is comming out with some real wierd stuff lately- this is just another example- my support for her is is getting less and less the more she says stuff like htis.

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4 posted on 11/06/2006 11:26:09 AM PST by CottShop (http://sacredscoop.com)
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To: Alouette

Has Rice forgotten that Hamas IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION that carries out terrorist acts??? Hello Rice???


5 posted on 11/06/2006 11:26:29 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Alouette
US secretary of state says Hamas government may be preferable to group 'running the streets, masked, with guns'

I wonder how long until the St. Dept. expresses the same view about Al Qaeda?

6 posted on 11/06/2006 11:27:07 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: CottShop

Rice is out of her mind. Better to eliminate Hamas.


7 posted on 11/06/2006 11:28:08 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Alouette
Rice, speaking to a pro-democracy forum, made the point in arguing that that the United States should not retreat from its advocacy of democracy abroad when elections do not turn out well from the US point of view. Referring to Hamas, Rice said, "I am not so sure that it is better to have these groups running the streets, masked, with guns rather than having them have to face voters and having to deliver."
The journalist is trying hard to make Rice sound as if she endorsed a Hamas government; she didn't. What she actually said is that the US should pursue the goal of democracy even if the result is sometimes that parties like Hamas getting popularly elected. Part of what a democratic system is supposed to do is give everyone a stake in the process.
8 posted on 11/06/2006 11:29:05 AM PST by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: Alouette

This woman needs to be muzzled.


9 posted on 11/06/2006 11:29:12 AM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: tennmountainman
Better to eliminate Hamas.

Better yet if the Palestinians do it themselves...

10 posted on 11/06/2006 11:30:07 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Alouette
It's hard to believe people around here actually consider her a viable candidate for 2008. I can't see a Condi candidacy being anything more than a train wreck.
11 posted on 11/06/2006 11:32:01 AM PST by SaveTheChief (This is my "+3 tagline of smiting")
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To: Mr. Mojo

"I wonder how long until the St. Dept. expresses the same view about Al Qaeda"

They already are. The occupation of Iraq has been MANAGED, not won.
We should have dis-armed Al mookie Sadr when we had the chance.
We should have wiped him out. But this "New Tone" thing has hamstrung our troops.

We should have delivered a few 'Highways of Deaths" like Kuwait instead of thei get a long thing. Raw force is the only thing they understand.


12 posted on 11/06/2006 11:32:14 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Alouette

Bizarre. She has become albrightian. I would so love to have Bolton SecState instead of her. They should change their jobs.


13 posted on 11/06/2006 11:33:39 AM PST by SolidWood
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To: Alouette

She said what? I'd like to, but I don't think those were very smart things to say.


14 posted on 11/06/2006 11:33:40 AM PST by mutley ("I read the Koran, and didn't find anything of value in it.")
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To: mewzilla

We pumped in millions of dollars to Arafat. All he did was sock that money in a bank.
Eleminate Hamas.


15 posted on 11/06/2006 11:34:32 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman
But this "New Tone" thing has hamstrung our troops.

The "hearts and minds" approach to dealing with the Islamic world could be America's death warrant.

16 posted on 11/06/2006 11:35:25 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Alouette
Sheesh!

Gee, Condi, wouldn't it be better to have the Democrats in power than taking to the streets, as many of them have threatened?

(The only way uber-Dems Lear and Vidal-see link-would take to the streets is if their limos broke down. I am not so sure about rank and file moonbats and terror symps, but I am willing to take the chance.)

17 posted on 11/06/2006 11:36:09 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (Death to terrorists, death to traitors, death to (draw the obvious conclusion))
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To: Alouette

Hamas are a terrorist organisation.

I would not have handed power to the IR effing A which was another.

They were a menace in the streets but we beat them by not spouting this sort of crud.


18 posted on 11/06/2006 11:37:39 AM PST by Mrs Ivan (English, and damned proud of it.)
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To: NY Attitude
No. She is right. Palestinians voted for Hamas primarily, primarily because they understood that Fatah was unbelievably corrupt and a den of thieves and embezzlers.

We cannot say to the Arabs: "we want democracy" and then insist that they should elect people that we like. Wherever Islamists have been elected, they have had to deal with raising revenue, filling the potholes, and dealing with milllage rates. Damn whole sight harder than driving the Jews into the sea.

Hamas will get unpopular real quick when the rubber meets the road. Further, when Hamas becomes a State Actor, they get an State Address. Understand that Rice and Olmert are ginning up for the Second Round. Hamas needs to understand that as a State Actor they will be in range of Israeli artillery, rockets, and GBU's.

It sucks being in government. Condi is right about this: once you're the State, you've got an address. Makes it A LOT easier for the IDF.

But the bottom line is this: you either believe in the right of the people to choose, or you don't. Arabs are NOT going to choose our way. Supporting strongmen, oil princelings, and Presidents-For-Life whose practice is to be our ally while putting the boot into the people merely puts off the Day of Reckoning.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

19 posted on 11/06/2006 11:38:52 AM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: Alouette

Condi has proven that she and this administration have been "turned" a long time ago.


20 posted on 11/06/2006 11:39:27 AM PST by Nachum
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To: tennmountainman

Please. She had nothing to do with letting Sadr live. That bonehead decision was actually made in-country.

Don't expect it to last, however. There's a price for being an Iranian stooge.

Be Seeing You,

Chris


21 posted on 11/06/2006 11:40:12 AM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: section9

Hey, whereya been?

DOS (and the Gang of Saud) has removed Condi's brain and replaced it with Folger's Crystals.


22 posted on 11/06/2006 11:42:39 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 77-78)
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To: Alouette; All

I do not understand why conservatives in the GOP have been so blind to the perfidy and incompetence of Rice, which has been so evident for so long.


23 posted on 11/06/2006 11:46:48 AM PST by Wuli
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To: section9

Whether in the strret of or in a government position, hamas is still a terrorist organization. I will never forget the palestinian people dancing in the streets right after 9/11. Do we really want to support this type of regime?


24 posted on 11/06/2006 11:49:02 AM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: Alouette
An elected Hamas government in the Palestinian territories may be preferable to the group operating outside the power structure and carrying out terrorist actions

Looks like Ynet is not so good with the English. "may be preferable" is not the same as saying "is preferable"

Perhaps they suffer from Clinonista whatizisitis?

I think Hamas is utterly despicable. At the same time, it may be preferable to have them in power. Now the rockets have a more definable sending address, all the better to faciltate returning to sender with bonus package attached.

25 posted on 11/06/2006 11:50:01 AM PST by cookcounty (John Kerry: On both sides of 3 wars. Four if you count the Battle for his Mouth.)
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To: SaveTheChief

It would not be wise for the Party to run a candidate in the top slot who has not served in a high elective office, preferably Governor someplace. National campaigns are tough these days.


26 posted on 11/06/2006 11:53:33 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA)
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To: Alouette; Salem; unionblue83; Sabramerican; Yehuda; Nachum; Slings and Arrows; dennisw; ...

I see Condi has been drinking the water at the Defartment of State again.


27 posted on 11/06/2006 11:54:48 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Regarding islam: Osculate meas Sanctas Romanas Ecclesiae nates)
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To: Alouette

Rice's two big policy disappointments have been "the Palestinian issue" and racial preferences. Otherwise she's soooo smart ... but on those two issues .. jeeze.


28 posted on 11/06/2006 11:59:45 AM PST by pogo101
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To: Alouette
US secretary of state says Hamas government may be preferable to group 'running the streets, masked, with guns'

Uh....you mean like the illegals in our country do? Condi's become a Muslim lover!

29 posted on 11/06/2006 12:08:57 PM PST by NRA2BFree (THOSE WHO LIVE BY THE SWORD GET SHOT BY THOSE WHO DON*T!)
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To: Alouette

Yes, those Nazis were so much better once they gained power instead of just being a bunch of street thugs. /s


30 posted on 11/06/2006 12:09:52 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: SaveTheChief

Rice is a globalist, not a nationalist.


31 posted on 11/06/2006 12:10:42 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: section9

"Please. She had nothing to do with letting Sadr live"

But it is that 'New Tone" mindset that has failed at every corner.

Let me remind you that the U.S. Gov pumped tens of milions of dollars into Arafat and the Paletenians and where has that gotten us.

Do you think we can BUY Peace? Peace only comes from victory.


32 posted on 11/06/2006 12:12:20 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: NY Attitude

You cannot, CANNOT, dictate to a foreign people who they will vote for. Now, if their elected government chooses to fire Katyushas and Kassams at Israel, as I suspect will probably happen, then all bets are off. Who the Pallies vote for is not our problem. What their government does to Israel will become their problem in short order.

Israel's problem is that it's led by Ehud Olmert. I am told that he intends to redeem himself in the next go-round. That's all that matters.

Be Seeing You,

Chris


33 posted on 11/06/2006 12:13:29 PM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: tennmountainman

We were talking about Sadr, not the PA, were we not?

Sadr gets his after the elections.

Be Seeing You,

Chris


34 posted on 11/06/2006 12:14:55 PM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: Alouette

It seems that Condy never learned that once you have them in government, they are on the streets again.

Condy should sue her University and ask for the tuition back. Korbel who lectured her was a fraudster.

35 posted on 11/06/2006 12:16:25 PM PST by DTA (Mr. President, Condy is asleep at the wheel !)
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To: Alouette

Well, I think she's right on this. They look pretty stupid, don't they, trying to run the Palestinian pseudo-state?

Personally, I'd rather have them DEAD, though.


36 posted on 11/06/2006 12:17:48 PM PST by Little Ray
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To: Alouette
"I am not so sure that it is better to have these groups running the streets, masked, with guns rather than having them have to face voters and having to deliver."

This is utterly juvenile. Time to revoke her driving privileges.

37 posted on 11/06/2006 12:17:57 PM PST by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Alouette

"It's Communist infiltration of our previous bodily fluids!"

At least I hope so - it would be better that than Rice actually thinking this.

Regards, Ivan

38 posted on 11/06/2006 12:19:15 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: section9

Is that before or after the Border fence is built?


39 posted on 11/06/2006 12:20:27 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: section9
Doesn't your philosophy work both ways? Why do we tell Israel to back off or show restraint when the other side continues? Something is wrong with that picture.
40 posted on 11/06/2006 12:21:21 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: Alouette

Another terrorist state? What happened to trhe WOT?


41 posted on 11/06/2006 12:21:41 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Alouette

That makes perfect sense. The people have voted for Hamas.. Hamas makes all these promises... they don't deliver and guess what.. they lose the support of their people.

We all know the U.S. is going to work against them delivering what they promised so it's all gonna fly back in their face.


42 posted on 11/06/2006 12:37:10 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: section9

I have to agree with you. Rice is saying exactly what we would say; if the Dems win tomorrow in a fair election, we can blame our fellow voters BUT we cannot change the outcome, nor would we want somebody else to some in here and tell us to change it. Hamas won the election; they now have the responsibility to deliver on both their promises to thier people and to the world at large. Conversely, as a shadow organization, they become 'romantic' like the IRA was once. I agree with Rice - make them show themselves for who they are, and, if they fail, let the people toss them out. It would suck to be in her position of trying to moderate and clarify all of this stuff.


43 posted on 11/06/2006 12:55:53 PM PST by Amalie (FREEDOM had NEVER been another word for nothing left to lose...)
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To: section9

I am worried we are going to wuss out on dealing with Sadr City after Maliki screams at us.


44 posted on 11/06/2006 1:01:49 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: Amalie
...if they fail, let the people toss them out.

It doesn't work that way. This will be an election held one time. For all time. The way all good tyrants operate.

And Condi is diverting yours and my tax dollars to feed this monster.

45 posted on 11/06/2006 1:05:38 PM PST by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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Funny, that's not what the Road Map said. Nor Oslo. And the US is a party to both. One could easily conclude that diplomatically, the United States is not to be trusted.

46 posted on 11/06/2006 1:09:19 PM PST by SJackson ( There is no threat. Communists are not about to take over our McDonald hamburger stands. John Kerry)
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To: Mr. Mojo
I wonder how long until the St. Dept. expresses the same view about Al Qaeda?

Consistancy would require it, as it would the Taliban. And the Baath party. All were denied the opportunity to participate in elections while armed. Of course none are particularly well liked in Saudi Arabia, which could be a factor.

47 posted on 11/06/2006 1:12:22 PM PST by SJackson ( There is no threat. Communists are not about to take over our McDonald hamburger stands. John Kerry)
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To: Asclepius
The journalist is trying hard to make Rice sound as if she endorsed a Hamas government; she didn't. What she actually said is that the US should pursue the goal of democracy even if the result is sometimes that parties like Hamas getting popularly elected. Part of what a democratic system is supposed to do is give everyone a stake in the process.

That's not true. IMO, armed terrorist groups have no place participating in elections. The Oslo accords, to which the United States is a party, specifically spelled that out. They were to have been disarmed a decade ago. It required a specific exemption to allow a terrorist group to participate. Over Israel's objection, and I'd speculate over Abba's private reservations as well. It was a stupid move. Same for Hizbollah's participation in Lebanon, which the US supported.

48 posted on 11/06/2006 1:15:11 PM PST by SJackson ( There is no threat. Communists are not about to take over our McDonald hamburger stands. John Kerry)
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To: tennmountainman
We pumped in millions of dollars to Arafat. All he did was sock that money in a bank. Eleminate Hamas.

Per Condi we're doubling our 2006 aid to the palestinian authority, from $240 million to the mid $400 range. My guess, some of that ends up in Switzerland as well.

49 posted on 11/06/2006 1:18:28 PM PST by SJackson ( There is no threat. Communists are not about to take over our McDonald hamburger stands. John Kerry)
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To: Alouette

she is toast for 2008, let her go off and run the NFL.


50 posted on 11/06/2006 1:19:51 PM PST by oceanview
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