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HAS OUR TIME COME? (Blame CATO/Libertarians for this election result)
CATO Institute by way of Heretical Ideas.com ^ | 10/24/2006 | Tom Traina

Posted on 11/08/2006 8:08:12 AM PST by Matchett-PI

Has Our Time Come? http://www.hereticalideas.com/

A **new study from the Cato Institute [see link below] suggests that libertarians might be the new swing vote.

The libertarian vote is in play. At some 13 percent of the electorate, it is sizable enough to swing elections. Pollsters, political strategists, candidates, and the media should take note of it.

After examining the relevant polling data, Cato concludes that libertarians and libertarian sympathizers constitute somewhere between 10 and 20% of the American population. Some explanations are offered as to why libertarians constitute such a bigger constituency than one might expect. First is that libertarians tend not to be as well-organized as other interest groups. Most groups that organize and try to exert political influence want some sort of government action: unions want favorable labor laws passed, the Christian Coalition wants abortion outlawed and anti-homosexual laws passed, environmentalists want pollution restricted and ecosystems protected, businesses want favorable tax and commercial laws. Libertarians generally don’t want government to take action, and are therefore less likely to organize into a pressure group because of that. It also argues that the difficulty people have in breaking out of the left-right liberal-conservative paradigm of politics keeps “populists” (authoritarians) and libertarians underrepresented. While most political scholarship accepts the inadequacy of a simple one-dimensional view of politics, it hasn’t sunk down into popular culture as strongly. Often talk shows and debate programs on television and radio will feature someone “from the left” and someone “from the right”, squeezing libertarians out of the picture.

An unexplored reason that might contribute is the higher prevalence of libertarianism among younger people than older people. The Cato paper notes this statistic but doesn’t explore its relationship to voter turnout. It explains the phenomenon this way. Younger people were more influenced by 2 of the most significant individualist movements of the 20th century: the ’60s counter culture and the ’80s Reagan Revolution. As a result, younger generations have seen both the socially liberal and the economically conservative side of individualism and turn to libertarianism as a way to emulate both ideals. The downside is that since younger people in general are less likely to vote, libertarians wind up underrepresented at the polls.

But don’t libertarian have to swing their votes to become a swing vote? Well, more and more frequently libertarian-minded people are losing the loyalty to the party they usually vote for (mostly the GOP), which puts their vote as a bloc in play.

Many commentators noted the high turnout in the 2004 election. Nationally, voter turnout increased 6.1 percent. That might help explain some of the swing in 2004. According to ANES data, libertarians reported turning out to vote at higher percentages than total respondents in 2000 and even higher in 2004.

This libertarian swing trend is particularly pronounced by age. Libertarians aged 18–29­ many of whom were new voters in 2004­ voted 71–42 for Kerry. Libertarians aged 30–49 voted almost completely the reverse, 72–21 for Bush.

Going back to the generational argument, I imagine that older individuals who can remember a time when the religious Right wasn’t nearly as omnipresent of a force in the Republican Party and therefore don’t automatically associate it with tirades about the moral dangers of homosexuality and feticide. So I can understand younger libertarians leaning more democratic than older ones who might remember the time of more Goldwater-like or even maybe Reagan-like Republicans.

What does all this mean in practical terms? What will we see coming out of the major political parties Conservatives resist cultural change and personal liberation; liberals resist economic dynamism and globalization. Libertarians embrace both. The political party that comes to terms with that can win the next generation.

It would really be great to see both political parties converge to a libertarian center. But as the article points out, the nature of libertarians makes them much harder to corral than other groups, which makes attracting us to their political parties a far more expensive and riskier proposition than going after churchgoers and soccer moms. Perhaps in time it will happen. But I doubt it will happen very soon.

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Re: the Senate: After seeing that the Republican in Montana is aproximately 1500 votes behind the DemocRAT and 10,000 votes went to the Libertarian party in that state, I am willing to bet that if we look at all the close races last night, we will find that the Libertarian party candidate got most of the votes that would otherwise have gone to the Republican candidate.

Add in the fact that the DemocRAT base turned out in greater percentages than the Republican base in most of the races, it spelled the disasterous result we saw last night.

1 posted on 11/08/2006 8:08:15 AM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI

Watch the vocal Libs suddenly become very, very quiet on this site.


2 posted on 11/08/2006 8:09:23 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Republican, atheist, pro-lifer, stranded in Blue Boston)
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To: Matchett-PI

CATO and the Libertarians are here to stay. Get used to it or pack it in. No amount of handwringing will change those facts.


3 posted on 11/08/2006 8:10:49 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Darkwolf377; LS; MinuteGal; oldglory; mcmuffin; gonzo; sheikdetailfeather; Grampa Dave; ...

You said it. bttt


4 posted on 11/08/2006 8:11:22 AM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Watch the vocal Libs suddenly become very, very quiet on this site.

Oh, if only.

5 posted on 11/08/2006 8:11:36 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("On 11/07/06, 'true' conservatives and 'rat traitors joined forces to bring Sharia law to America.")
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To: Darkwolf377

Neal Boortz must be smugly proud today that his call to spank the pubbies has been accomplished. One can only hope Neal is not in the area of the coming al qaeda slaughter. He needs the chance to apologize to those dolts he's manipulated and renounce his suicide urges.


6 posted on 11/08/2006 8:11:56 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Captain Kirk

Yes, but it would be helpful if they learned to compromise and didn't act so snippy when things don't go 100% their way.


7 posted on 11/08/2006 8:12:24 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: Matchett-PI
If you want conservative votes, be conservative. I didn't vote for a single Democrat last night. All of my votes went to conservatives, but not all went to Republicans.

I won't vote for a RINO. My vote has to be earned by the candidate NOT being a liberal. That isn't too much to ask.

8 posted on 11/08/2006 8:12:39 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: MHGinTN

Suicide urges like leaving our Borders open while pandering to teh illegal alien lobby?


9 posted on 11/08/2006 8:13:25 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: My2Cents
Yes, but it would be helpful if they learned to compromise and didn't act so snippy when things don't go 100% their way.

We disagree....but, of course, they won't so the issue is purely academic and no amount of complaining by the GOP will change that.

10 posted on 11/08/2006 8:13:53 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
CATO and the Libertarians are here to stay. Get used to it or pack it in. No amount of handwringing will change those facts.

bump

11 posted on 11/08/2006 8:14:22 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Dead Corpse
f you want conservative votes, be conservative. I didn't vote for a single Democrat last night. All of my votes went to conservatives, but not all went to Republicans... I won't vote for a RINO. My vote has to be earned by the candidate NOT being a liberal. That isn't too much to ask.

How dare you think independently from the herd.

12 posted on 11/08/2006 8:14:50 AM PST by jla
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To: Matchett-PI

Yep. All over the place the margin of victory is smaller then the Libertarian canidates share of the vote.


13 posted on 11/08/2006 8:15:02 AM PST by MNJohnnie (The Democrat Party: Hard on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism!)
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To: Captain Kirk

Don't change the subject.


14 posted on 11/08/2006 8:15:11 AM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: Captain Kirk

Libertarians have a genetic inability to see the big picture.


15 posted on 11/08/2006 8:16:19 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: jla
How dare you think independently from the herd.

Sorry. Bad habit. Comes from actually using the grey matter holding my ears apart.

16 posted on 11/08/2006 8:16:23 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: My2Cents

I think there was a significant Libertarian vote in the Cantwell race.


17 posted on 11/08/2006 8:16:50 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Matchett-PI

Nonsense, I'm getting tired of this unwarranted finger-pointing. Neither the religious right nor the libertarians were to blame for what happened yesterday. The blame should go to the politicians themselves, for failing to articulate anything to attract independents.


18 posted on 11/08/2006 8:17:03 AM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Captain Kirk
CATO and the Libertarians are here to stay.

God I hope so. Isn't that what FreeRepublic is all about?

19 posted on 11/08/2006 8:17:07 AM PST by PjhCPA (Who will be the next Ronald Reagan? We'd better find him. SOON!!!)
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To: Matchett-PI
(Blame CATO/Libertarians for this election result)

Yep, it was the Libertarians who were in bed with Jack Abramoff. It was the Libertarians who funnelled lobbying business to their daughter. It was the Libertarians who stuffed record numbers of earmarks into spending bills while borrowing money to finance the war in Iraq.

It would behoove the GOP to learn a lesson or two from the Libertarians when it comes to fiscal restraint. Might just get the GOP back closer to its roots.

20 posted on 11/08/2006 8:17:09 AM PST by dirtboy (John Kerry - the world's only re-usable political suicide bomber.)
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To: Matchett-PI
I am willing to bet that if we look at all the close races last night, we will find that the Libertarian party candidate got most of the votes that would otherwise have gone to the Republican candidate.

So maybe the silver lining of this is that the Republicans will realize that they need to reign in their big-government ideals and drunken-sailor spending spree, and stop pissing on the Bill of Rights, in order to win back those swing votes for the next election.

I just hope the Dims don't do too much damage in the meantime.

21 posted on 11/08/2006 8:17:41 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Darkwolf377

Why quiet? They have just as much right to their views as anyone else.


22 posted on 11/08/2006 8:17:57 AM PST by GSlob
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To: Dead Corpse

Okay, Ren, how has this election fixed that?


23 posted on 11/08/2006 8:17:59 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: My2Cents

The Constitution IS the big picture. The GOP seems to have forgotten that. Or does doubling the size of government somehow now fit under the definition of "conservative"?


24 posted on 11/08/2006 8:18:42 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Matchett-PI

In theory I check out as being most of the way to being a libertarian, and I'll happily start voting for libertarian candidates the day after we have runoff elections in America and I am guaranteed that I'm not electing demokkkrats by voting for libertarians. As for now, I am voting against demokkkrats, i.e. for whoever has the statistically best shot at preventing a demokkkrat from holding the public office in question. Usually that's a republican.


25 posted on 11/08/2006 8:19:04 AM PST by tomzz
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To: PjhCPA

Amen Brother.


26 posted on 11/08/2006 8:19:07 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: PjhCPA
Isn't that what FreeRepublic is all about?

Libertatrian, yet. Stiff-necked stupid, no.

27 posted on 11/08/2006 8:19:24 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: Matchett-PI
I'm not a big Libertarian fan but there is enough blame to go around. I would blame the candidates first. They did not try hard enough and did not stick to their guns.
28 posted on 11/08/2006 8:19:26 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: GSlob
Why quiet? They have just as much right to their views as anyone else.

And I suggested they didn't where, exactly?

29 posted on 11/08/2006 8:19:29 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Republican, atheist, pro-lifer, stranded in Blue Boston)
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To: MHGinTN

Steempy! You EEDIOT! You just have to stop wizzing on the electric fence.


30 posted on 11/08/2006 8:19:42 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: My2Cents
"but it would be helpful if they learned to compromise and didn't act so snippy when things don't go 100% their way."
the compromise at 50% is a compromise. A compromise at 20% or less is probably deserving of some other name.
31 posted on 11/08/2006 8:20:25 AM PST by GSlob
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To: MNJohnnie

At one time I thought I could easily align myself with the Libertarians being that I agreed in the limited government concept. That was before I realized they were rabidly pro-abortion, for legalization of all drugs, which would be the ruin of so many and although the military is one of the branched that they do feel is necessarily part of the governent they apparantly don't believe it should EVER be used. That and of course that 95% of their candidates are total nutjobs.


32 posted on 11/08/2006 8:20:34 AM PST by marlon
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To: My2Cents

yet = yes


33 posted on 11/08/2006 8:20:37 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: jla

If Bush had not done prescription drug entitlement, would he have lost the independent/libertarian vote last night? Not as many, I think. (Oooh, but just think of all the Democratic votes he picked up by creating a new entitlement).

Like it or not, there is a percentage of people in this country who don't want larger government. Period. They will vote against the party that expands government. Last night, at least some GOP (talking state house candidates here, especially, but, could probably apply to those verrrrry close Senate races) candidates lost b/c LP candidates took a few hundred votes. In a different era, those votes would have gone GOP.

Obviously there are many, many other factors at play in this country of 300 million people. But...in at least some races, the GOP lost b/c it was deemed by independent libertarians to be the party of big government.


34 posted on 11/08/2006 8:21:07 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: GSlob

The libertarians don't compromise when they get 80% of what they want.


35 posted on 11/08/2006 8:21:31 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: MHGinTN

It was obviously the fault of all those who voted...the pout and sit at home crowd can hardly be blamed...it's all about them.


36 posted on 11/08/2006 8:21:50 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Matchett-PI

Interesting point.... I find myself often agreeing with Libertarian ideology. This is like the elections in both '92 and '96, where Ross Perot took away votes from the Republican candidate and we ended up having 8 years of Clinton. If 20% of the electorate defines themselves as Libertarian, it seems they (the party) are filling a void where the Republicans have abandoned their core (read: Reaganesque) values.

Good point.


37 posted on 11/08/2006 8:22:08 AM PST by King David (I have not even begun to fight)
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To: Darkwolf377

"becoming quiet" means essentially swallowing one's opinions - which is NOT the point of having them in the first place.


38 posted on 11/08/2006 8:22:43 AM PST by GSlob
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To: dirtboy
"It (Political Parties) serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another; foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passion. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another." -- George "Best address ever" Washington
39 posted on 11/08/2006 8:24:01 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: My2Cents

Please remind me when they were offered 80% - my memory must be going Alzheimer, I'm afraid.


40 posted on 11/08/2006 8:24:09 AM PST by GSlob
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To: My2Cents
Libertarians have a genetic inability to see the big picture.

Libertarians see the bigger picture than the one painted by the simple Republican/Democrat duopoly.

41 posted on 11/08/2006 8:24:34 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: My2Cents
There are 10 items on the BoR. Keeping 80% means getting rid of two of them.

Which ones will you say we can do without?

80% of what we want? Or more soclialism form Dems and RINO appeasers.

Read my tagline.

42 posted on 11/08/2006 8:25:29 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Matchett-PI

The Libertarian Party is for totally open borders and not defending our country. They are a problem, not a solution.


43 posted on 11/08/2006 8:26:10 AM PST by doug from upland
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To: Dead Corpse

Im with you DC, fortunately I had very good choices so my Senate and House voted went Republican but I will be no means vote RINO..


44 posted on 11/08/2006 8:26:54 AM PST by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: doug from upland
and not defending our country.

That, is an outright lie. In fact, allowing completely unrestrained RKBA would do more to prevent crime and terroism here in the US than Bush's TSA and Homeland Security Departments ever could.

45 posted on 11/08/2006 8:27:20 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: N3WBI3

I'm deep in the Blue Heart of Red State Texas.


46 posted on 11/08/2006 8:28:02 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Matchett-PI
I recommend that we Republicans cease and desist courting the loosertarian votes from now on. They are flaky, spoiled, short sighted distractions. I do not believe that they are worth our time.
47 posted on 11/08/2006 8:28:26 AM PST by dbehsman (NRA Life Member, and loving every minute of it!)
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To: Matchett-PI

Maybe so, but people who vote L in elections are generally not R voters. They're voters who look for a change but won't vote D. Or the "anti-Republicrats" crowd. I wouldn't be surprised -- in Montana, with Burns having that ethical cloud (nobody can tell me what he did, actually, but there you are) -- if most of those voters would have left it blank or stayed home.

I know we like to think that the L's are our voters, but when it comes to big-L libertarians, they are that way because they hate Republicans with a passion that is (hee hee) irrational.

I bow to noone in my loathing of libertarians, but I think the Green, Constitution or Silly parties would have gotten almost the same numbers.


48 posted on 11/08/2006 8:28:27 AM PST by AmishDude (Democrats raise taxes.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Which ones will you say we can do without?

Start with the 10th. It's been relegated to toilet paper status anyway thanks to our big-government duopoly party.

49 posted on 11/08/2006 8:28:31 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: My2Cents
Yes, but it would be helpful if they learned to compromise and didn't act so snippy when things don't go 100% their way.

That's a good point. They gave the fort to Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Shumer...........

Thanks for nothing, libertarians. You had a temper tantrum and cut everyones throat.

50 posted on 11/08/2006 8:28:38 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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