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Repost: (+) THE ART OF THE (WEAPONS) CACHE (+)
www.sit-rep.com (defunct website?) ^ | March 1, 2001 | Travis McGee

Posted on 11/08/2006 7:21:48 PM PST by SW6906

This is a repost from 2001. Here is the original (locked) thread

Sad to say, the march of anti-constitutional laws continues to quicken the pace. Today tens of thousands of law abiding citizens face becoming "armchair felons" because they are not gullible enough to comply with mandatory registration and licensing of long owned firearms. Collectors have been raided on bogus pretexts, then arrested for "paper violations", and had their assets seized. It's a shame, but in many jurisdictions your AR-15 or SKS is an "outlaw rifle", and you are at risk every day that you keep it in your house. It is doubly a shame because these are exactly the types of arms the founding fathers were speaking of when they wrote the 2nd Amendment...

So if you will not register or turn in your weapons, and are reluctant to keep some of them in your house, what is to be done with them, to preserve them for use at some future date? Many folks just say "bury them" but this is simplistic and may be self defeating, for a buried gun may be rusted, forgotten, or paved over in time. The "art of the cache" is then the subject of this lesson.

First we must define a few terms, for there are several classes of caches. A fighting cache or ready cache is one where a rifle or other weapon is kept, sighted in and with the correct ammunition and cleaning gear, available on short notice. A long term cache should be able to lay undetected for years if need be. An Escape and Evasion cache will contain a complete getaway kit in addition to a firearm, against the day that the owner finds himself pursued by enemies.

An E&E cache will contain the items listed in Squantos' E&E kits, as well as hair dye, "instant tan" lotion, scissors, a razor, a nylon windbreaker and a hat for a quick appearance change. Cash, gold, a space blanket, a poncho for shelter and a pistol would also be included. All of these items can be kept in a .50 caliber metal ammo box available at any army surplus store.

What arms to cache? If you are considering caching any weapons, it makes sense to cache both your black "outlaw" firearms and your cheap surplus military rifles, the Enfields and SKS's and so on. The former may land you in legal trouble, the latter are inexpensive and may best prove their worth by waiting hidden and silent for the moment of need. Pistols also should be considered, particularly inexpensive surplus police revolvers. There is no other type of firearm which may be handed to a complete novice with confidence that the new shooter will be able to use it effectively on the first try, and you may someday be in the position of arming a complete novice. Millions of non-shooters may become ardent RKBA advocates in the years to come and you should consider arms for them as well as for yourself.

Where should you locate your cache?I will consider three broad areas: rural caches, urban caches, and underwater caches.

The Rural Cache: In the countryside, cache options abound far beyond the cliched hole in the ground, although that option is not to be left out! In the boonies, look for old private junkyards, every big farm has at least one on the back 40! Rusty forgotten tractors, cars, refrigerators and farm equipment are made to order, full of hidden nooks and crannies where a rifle or three may be inserted, yet remain readily available. Of course, hiding firearms in and around old iron negates the chance of technical detection. Abandoned farmhouses, barns, ruins, and foundations provide countless hiding places, as do small caves, worked out mines, and graveyards. And of course you can just bury your package, preferably near or around some clutter of old scrap metal to provide magnetic camouflage.

The Urban Cache: In cities and towns you must be a bit more creative to find a good cache location which will remain undisturbed for years. Abandoned factories and warehouses, forgotten steam tunnels, scrap yards and neglected corners of basements and attics of some buildings may be used. You need to find a quiet dark out of the way corner were you can remove some tile or blocks or panels to create a mini vault, then hide by replacing the cover. Old large diameter pipes or pump casings may be used as is. Sometimes it is possible to create a cache by adding a bogus utility box or fake run of pipe which has no other purpose than to look old and nasty, and hide a gun or two.

The Underwater Cache: Arms may be sealed into a PVC pipe, then sunk for a great cache. Ammo packed inside around the arms will provide enough weight to sink the tube. Tie a strong nylon or monofilament line around the middle of the pipe, and lower the cache under an old rotten abandoned dock or wharf. So much junk accumulates under old docks that one more slime and barnacle encrusted pipe section will attract no attention at all. Tie the top end of the line to a piling down under the waterline, the entire line will soon be so nasty that no one will ever touch it, except you!

Packaging the Cache: No matter where your cache will be located, you should go to great pains to make sure that it remains sealed and moisture proof. As mentioned, large diameter PVC pipe fits the bill perfectly. If you want access without cutting open the pipe, you can buy an end cap with a threaded center. For really long term storage, release the springs from your magazines and operating rods where possible. A chunk of dry ice dropped into a watertight package and allowed to "steam off" before sealing will purge out the rust producing oxygen. Store bought silica desiccant bags may also be used. Wherever ammo is stored, beware of using penetrating oils, as in time they may deaden the primers.

Plastic five gallon buckets with sealed lids may also be used, as well as heavy duty "white water rafting" bags, marine "flare kit" boxes and containers, surplus military ammo and ordnance boxes and many other types of containers. Where possible, for long term storage seal the lids with a bead of silicone glue.

Where tight cache space is a consideration, you may have to merely wrap your weapons in plastic. In this case use the biggest thickest heavy duty lawn and garden bags you can find. After placing the arms inside, suck out all the air you can, twist the end, put a few strong wires ties around the neck, fold it over, and put more wire around it again. Then do this again inside another bag. Long rifles which will not fit in a bag will have to be wrapped in industrial plastic sheeting, taped up, and kept in a fairly dry location. This type of packaging may be considered where a weapon may be in a "fighting cache", ready for use on short notice.

Locating Your Cache: Nothing is worse than stumbling around looking for a cache so well hidden that you cannot find it, so give a lot of thought to the landmarks you will locate it by, and write them down! Don't put the entire location on one piece of paper (for security), just the final directions which will not make sense if the paper is compromised. Remember, your cache area may look very different in different seasons, so choose landmarks which will stand out in summer foliage or winter snow. It is a good idea to take compass bearings from several permanent landmarks, as well as pacing the distances where possible. Or you may locate the cache by aligning it with an old wall, or between distinctive boulders, just make sure the features are permanent: bushes and gullies may disappear. Be alert to construction around your cache, and if the survey stakes go up, move it out ASAP. You may use GPS coordinates, but consider that GPS may be degraded or turned off at any time, and mark your location the "old fashioned way" first.

Cache Security: When you look for a cache location, consider that you will need a "cover for action" to explain your presence in the area. If you jog cross country, go on hikes, bike or four wheel drive you have it made. The cache location must have terrain or vegetation cover to conceal your loading and unloading it: forget the "cover of darkness", in this era of NVGs that is a thing of the past.

Before returning to a cache do some counter-surveillance: loop around the area looking for the "watchers" who may be staking it out, or a new "utility box" which may contain a remotely operated camera. When finally approaching the cache, don't go directly to it, first "fish hook" your trail, double back and observe your own path in to check for followers. Finally, walk right past your cache and make a "false unload". If you are taken down at this point, they may not find the true cache, and your "cover for action" (eg.: taking a leak on a routine hike) may pass muster. Only when you are truly sure of your safety should you go to the cache and unload it.

In addition, you should leave "tell-tales", small innoucuous secret marks which will tell you if anyone has disturbed and replaced your cache. It is a favorite trick of security forces to put tracking devices into cached weapons in order to follow the guerrilla back to his base and catch the entire band. A tell-tale may be a bit of thread or a pebble etc. placed in such a way that if the cache is disturbed it will break or fall out without the security forces noticing it.

In Summary: I hope this has been an informative and thought provoking article. Even if you do not think it is necessary to cache any weapons (or an E&E kit!) at this time, you will at least be able to take walks in the woods to scout out some likely sites for future use. Look for sites at various distances from your home from a short walk to a day's drive: don't keep all your eggs in one basket. It is a good idea to "load" a cache with some old tools just for practice. See if they rust, see if the local eleven year old boys find them, see if you can get in and out of the area without being seen. Practice makes perfect, so try some "dry runs" today so that you will be a seasoned pro if and when it becomes necessary to cache "the war iron" for real and for keeps.

And don't forget to BLOAT! Buy Lots Of Ammo Today!


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KEYWORDS: banglist; cache; cwii; stockpiling; survival
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Thought this was a good article to repost........
1 posted on 11/08/2006 7:21:50 PM PST by SW6906
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Bang!


2 posted on 11/08/2006 7:23:07 PM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: SW6906

The libs fear the Second Amendment, for the exact reason that it was included as part of our beloved Constitution. That is why they are trying to both kill the Second Amendment, and disarm law-abiding America.


3 posted on 11/08/2006 7:24:44 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: JDoutrider; TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

Ping!


4 posted on 11/08/2006 7:25:33 PM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: SW6906

The original has lots of informative comments.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a9f53301414.htm


5 posted on 11/08/2006 7:25:43 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: SW6906

bump


6 posted on 11/08/2006 7:25:58 PM PST by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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To: sit-rep

Ping!


7 posted on 11/08/2006 7:26:06 PM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: Abundy; Lazamataz

Ping!


8 posted on 11/08/2006 7:26:49 PM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: SW6906

Yep.


9 posted on 11/08/2006 7:27:57 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Jeff Head

Ping!


10 posted on 11/08/2006 7:28:42 PM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: SW6906

Have to ask, does anyone know why TravisMcGee is banned or suspended?


11 posted on 11/08/2006 7:29:38 PM PST by xrp (Fox News Channel: MISSING WHITE GIRL NETWORK)
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To: xrp
I was wondering that too.

On another note, I went to ping Chapita - a Freeper from way back when - and just discovered he had passed away. I hadn't heard that. :-(

12 posted on 11/08/2006 7:31:07 PM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: EagleUSA

Feinstein, Kennedy, Schumer, and the rest of the Senate 'grabber-Rats will be re-energized next year. ...and now we won't have a GOP House majority to help save the day. Expect some big battles.


13 posted on 11/08/2006 7:31:58 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: SW6906

bump


14 posted on 11/08/2006 7:32:23 PM PST by OldCorps
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To: namsman

BLOAT Ping!


15 posted on 11/08/2006 7:32:59 PM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: EagleUSA

in 1911, a Swiss officer was observing the German Army during Maneuvers. A German officer asked the Swiss why they bothered with an army, since the Germans could put into the field an army that was twice as large as the entire Swiss Army/militia.

The Swiss Officer shrugged, and said "Shoot Twice, go home."


A quick internet search will find a very nice public range in Basil, referenced by ProTell, the swiss counterpart to the NRA.

Only problem is you can only shoot K-11s, K-31s, StG-57s and StG-540s. The K-11 Schmidt-Rubin is named after the inventer of the Jacketed bullet, which made the higher velocities of smokeless powder practical.


16 posted on 11/08/2006 7:33:13 PM PST by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: HangThemHigh

Ping!


17 posted on 11/08/2006 7:35:04 PM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: xrp

I think it had something to do with encouraging or referring to civil war. I remember seeing where he got banned. So step carefully on this thread, protecting your 2nd amendment rights I think are encouraged. Suggesting a civil war is not.


18 posted on 11/08/2006 7:36:55 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: Frank_Discussion

Wary Self-Ping for Later...


19 posted on 11/08/2006 7:56:10 PM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: SW6906

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20 posted on 11/08/2006 7:58:01 PM PST by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: xrp; SW6906; ozarkgirl

I seem to recall it happening earlier this year around the time all the illegal aliens were demonstrating for their "right" to be here, and was for apparently advocating what might be delicately referred to as "domestic unrest".


21 posted on 11/08/2006 8:09:15 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SW6906; sit-rep

He's still around. I'll ping him on his site.


22 posted on 11/08/2006 8:10:13 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: DuncanWaring

I knew you'd be here...

Hope all is well...


23 posted on 11/08/2006 8:11:02 PM PST by in the Arena
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To: DuncanWaring

I do believe you are correct. I knew I wasn't getting it quite right, I think that sums it up. Advocating domestic unrest.


24 posted on 11/08/2006 8:17:15 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: SW6906

Interesting previous thread, to say the least...


25 posted on 11/08/2006 8:21:03 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SW6906

whoa! I JUST read this article from 2001 yesterday!
good post, i'd like to see more like them.
-btbd


26 posted on 11/08/2006 8:28:06 PM PST by BorisTheBulletDodger (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: SW6906
Great essay, essential information, mandatory reading :-)

One concern though...any 'authorities' who are tasked to confiscate firearms or ammo (and prosecute the once-law-abiding owner) will quite likely be doing a couple of things

Also, Cosmolene has been a traditional goo to coat rifles with that are to be placed in long-term storage.

 

27 posted on 11/08/2006 8:40:12 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: SW6906
The US Army apparently put out a publication a few years ago numbered "TC-31-29", and titled "Caching Techniques", covering the subject in excruciating detail.

It appears to no longer be part of the official inventory of publications, but there are many copies of it around the Internet (Thank You, Al Gore).

Three representative samples (in the interest of redundancy) of it are here, here and here.

28 posted on 11/08/2006 8:41:32 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SW6906

Ping!


29 posted on 11/08/2006 8:53:07 PM PST by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents or anyone just passing through)
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To: xrp; SW6906; ozarkgirl; DuncanWaring
Have to ask, does anyone know why TravisMcGee is banned or suspended?

If you want to make people angry, lie to them. If you want to make them absolutely livid, then tell 'em the truth.

Trav told 'em the truth about how to protect America during tough times.

30 posted on 11/08/2006 9:37:17 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: Stoat

Stoat, do you know where to get cosmolene? I know it's common on newly manufactured items, but don't think it's common in hardware stores...?


31 posted on 11/08/2006 11:02:11 PM PST by 4woodenboats ("Show me what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman")
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To: 4woodenboats

Search for cosmolene:

http://tinyurl.com/twnxs


32 posted on 11/09/2006 2:19:57 AM PST by backhoe
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To: SW6906; Larry Lucido
I'm gonna have to look into that site a little closer....

A few years ago, I pulled the plug on that site due to lack of funds. After it is was scooped up by the porn overlords, the current owner took over the domain. At first, I tried to buy it from him. He/She would not go for it because he was strating a travel agency. But NOW, it looks as if he is doing something foul!! It has taken over it appears my old skeleton... I see names of Articles and Writers from the old Sit-Rep site. Over four years ago to date my site went down.

This is VERY strange!!

We are here now...

http://www.trulineint.com/latestposts.asp

33 posted on 11/09/2006 2:26:02 AM PST by sit-rep ( http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
Time for review, class. There may be a test later.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

34 posted on 11/09/2006 7:12:49 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Joe Brower

I've been looking at this. Question. Would you buy a 308 or 30.06? Which ammo is (will be) more available?


35 posted on 11/09/2006 7:15:27 AM PST by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: SW6906

Wonderful.

I've always thought that when the government starts taking your guns in earnest, that's the time to start breaking the law and putting them under the house.


36 posted on 11/09/2006 7:16:26 AM PST by Shion (Bring Back John Galt)
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To: Hazcat
.308 Win., no question. .30-06 is getting harder to find, while .308 (7.62x51mm NATO) is quite plentiful and still in service. The .308 and 7.62 are not _exactly_ the same round, but everything I've ever bought, both semiauto and bolt-action, works with either.
37 posted on 11/09/2006 7:21:06 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Shion
Some would argue that's the time to start digging them up.
38 posted on 11/09/2006 7:21:39 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Joe Brower

Thanks for the ping. I was reading this yesterday off another thread. BLOAT!


39 posted on 11/09/2006 7:23:47 AM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: Joe Brower

Thanks. Now I'll keep my eye out for a bargain or two!


40 posted on 11/09/2006 7:23:50 AM PST by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: Joe Brower

Gotta be .308Win not regular .308? (big price difference that I can see)


41 posted on 11/09/2006 7:29:21 AM PST by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: SW6906

If it is time to bury them, it is time to dig them up and put them to use.


42 posted on 11/09/2006 7:30:40 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Stoat
NEVER tell ANYBODY about the fact that you own a gun

Hide like a good little chicken.

No thanks. We need to grow some spine, not give up the last of it.

43 posted on 11/09/2006 7:32:58 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Hazcat
Please define "regular" .308. When speaking of rifle calibers, all ".308" is ".308 Win."
44 posted on 11/09/2006 7:33:56 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: B4Ranch
Trav told 'em the truth about how to protect America during tough times.

Yep.

Stay safe. Rough waters ahead.

45 posted on 11/09/2006 7:34:01 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: DuncanWaring
Good work. That's one for the archives.
46 posted on 11/09/2006 7:36:06 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Joe Brower

Well on this site http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/dealer_home.asp?dealer_id=62832 you can search guns by caliber. It lists both .308Win and .308 so I assumed (I know) that they were different calibers.


47 posted on 11/09/2006 7:37:11 AM PST by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: xrp; SW6906
TM got banned back in April for repeatedly daring to call the immigration appeaseniks what they are: Quislings. He also suggested that they wind up dancing at the end of ropes, which violated the "no violence" rule.

Of course, all of that won't matter when his predictions finally come to pass.

48 posted on 11/09/2006 7:39:29 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I don't know how big the battles can be at this point. Hopefully we can muster a filibuster in the Senate.


49 posted on 11/09/2006 7:40:23 AM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: Hazcat
I just checked out the site you mentioned, and noted that when I entered "308", I got a list of rifles, and when I entered "308Win", I got three types of Hornady ammo, plus one rifle. It looks to me like their website's goofy.

But don't take it from me -- I would call them and ask what the difference is. It's their website. And please let me know what they say.

50 posted on 11/09/2006 7:42:59 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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