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A REBOUND FOR HOUSING? NOT SO FAST.
Kiplinger Forecasts ^ | 9 November 2006 | Jerome Idaszak

Posted on 11/09/2006 5:17:47 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

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To: freedomdefender
Where in California?

Sacramento.

41 posted on 11/09/2006 6:04:57 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

There is no frickin way the gains can be sustained that we have seen in the past couple years. Salaries are not increasing at a 20% gain year after year right now.
I have watched many people, including myself, completely priced out of even the condo market here in Seattle and have given up.

Something has to give sooner or later, no matter how many exotic loans the banks keep pushing to the masses.


42 posted on 11/09/2006 6:09:11 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Don't forget the fed leaving interest rates too low, for too long, thus dumping a gallon of gasoline onto this bbq.


43 posted on 11/09/2006 6:12:39 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: defenderSD
Key thing to keep in mind is that if housing gets very weak then the entire economy will weaken significantly and the Fed will cut interest rates.

It can't happen. If they cut the rates too much there will be no one to buy our government bonds -- the way we finance our public debt -- and then we are really screwed (unless we cut spending). It's a delicate balancing act.

44 posted on 11/09/2006 6:13:36 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: The Iceman Cometh
As a Realtor in Idaho, I fully agree with these comments and see an adjustment period extending into '07.

I'm living in my 3900 sq ft 3 br 2 1/2 BA on 1/3 acre house in the Pocatello area. Free and clear. Just annual property taxes. In Feb 2005 I took a $9300 state and federal tax refund and used that a total cash out of pocket to purchase a 2068 sq ft home 2 BR, 1 BA on 1/4 acre for $82,900. I'm in no hurry to rent it. The tax and interest comes off my income tax and principal is going into equity. It's a 30 year loan at 5% fixed. I did that to keep the monthly payment low relative to fair market rental values. It takes about 2 hours every Sunday to mow the lawns.

45 posted on 11/09/2006 6:16:14 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: defenderSD

yes, but housing is still based primarly on the "supply vs demand" factor.

And in Seattle right now, inventory has doubled since May of homes for sale, but prices continue to rise. Supply vs Demand has been thrown right out the window and is currently sinking to the bottom of Puget Sound.

While the market will eventually self-correct. That doesn't mean its going to self correct in a nice easy way.


46 posted on 11/09/2006 6:20:13 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: FreedomCalls

Don't forget all the billions in subprime loans that get packaged into mortgage backed securities and sold to domestic and foreign investment firms.

As the default rates on these loans increase as they readjust, there is going to be some blood flowing.


47 posted on 11/09/2006 6:23:11 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: nicolezmomma
It sounds like a lot of insurers don't want to risk any more big hits from hurricanes. It's probably easier for an insurer to just leave the state of Florida completely than to just insure certain areas since state insurance regulators are unlikely to let a company only insure in safe areas.


Though, it may just be the nature of Florida -- the whole state is just so flat that powerful hurricanes can easily do major damage as they cross over from the Atlantic to the Gulf (or vice versa).


No matter, it's a harsh situation for you or anyone else that wants to sell.

48 posted on 11/09/2006 6:32:20 PM PST by LenS
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Actually those who remain ignorant of tulip mania, the dot-com bubble and every other get rich scam are to blame for not knowing their history.


49 posted on 11/09/2006 6:33:14 PM PST by 31R1O ("Science is organized knowledge. Wisdom is organized life."- Immanuel Kant)
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To: freedomdefender

Actually the fed is to blame for propping up a faltering economy with cheap dollars (low interest) instead of letting the downturn run its course.


50 posted on 11/09/2006 6:35:57 PM PST by 31R1O ("Science is organized knowledge. Wisdom is organized life."- Immanuel Kant)
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To: FreedomCalls
It can't happen. If they cut the rates too much there will be no one to buy our government bonds -- the way we finance our public debt -- and then we are really screwed (unless we cut spending). It's a delicate balancing act.

That's not true. Longer term bond rates are set by the market. The Fed rates only affect the shortest term securites.

51 posted on 11/09/2006 6:39:51 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: 31R1O
Actually the fed is to blame for propping up a faltering economy with cheap dollars (low interest) instead of letting the downturn run its course.

The yield curve has been flat to inverted for some time now, so in no way has the Fed been propping up the economy.

52 posted on 11/09/2006 6:42:45 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

Wasn't there a point where the Japanese cut their interest rates to zero percent and the real estate market nevertheless continued to fall?


53 posted on 11/09/2006 6:50:08 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: 31R1O
Actually those who remain ignorant of tulip mania, the dot-com bubble and every other get rich scam are to blame for not knowing their history.

How very true.

54 posted on 11/09/2006 7:07:52 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: FreedomCalls
Wasn't there a point where the Japanese cut their interest rates to zero percent and the real estate market nevertheless continued to fall?

If you want to learn more about why the Japanese housing market never recovered just take a look at the tax liability on any capital gains realized from a sale. It's staggering and effectively kills any motivation to sell.

55 posted on 11/09/2006 7:14:12 PM PST by Mase
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Bush has nothing to do with housing prices, per se. Greedy speculators, stupid banks and (indescribeable) real estate agents are to blame.

Are you claiming that market corrections aren't healthy and need to be blamed on someone? When the stock market corrects do you blame greedy speculators, stupid investors and indescribable stock brokers? What are the long term trends with respect to the stock market and the value of real estate? Who should those trends be blamed on?

56 posted on 11/09/2006 7:19:06 PM PST by Mase
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To: FreedomCalls
Japan had a banking problem, because banks never wrote off bad loans after Japan's 1990 crash. Therefore, banks were unable to make many new loans without violating their reserve requirements.

Also, a 0% interest rate was actually too high because the economy was contracting.

57 posted on 11/09/2006 7:25:40 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: word_warrior_bob

==I'm in real estate, although anectdotal, prices are going down in a lot of areas and houses are not selling at all, a lot of houses aren't even getting any showings, these same houses would have sold in a weekend.==

Well I wonder why what with the crap they're building these days and the money they expect for it.


58 posted on 11/09/2006 7:38:59 PM PST by bkepley
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
We normally see about 5-7% appreciation per year. Very steady, and never a decline for the past 20 years. In the last 60 days it's gone up nearly 25% or more. I'll take that.
59 posted on 11/09/2006 8:19:57 PM PST by jennyjenny
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To: FreedomCalls

While there are a few similarities, I never like to compare what happened to the Japanese, to what goes on in the US.
They have very different ways of doing business over there and how their banks operate. A person or business can have the worst credit in the world, but if they have the right political contacts, they can get whatever loans they want. Most European and US banks have found it impossible to setup shop there and succeed or buy major interests in the japanese banks and bring some western style banking practices in.

Japans problems started with years of trade and financial manipulation against the US. It slowly but surely inflated the value of the yen against the dollar to obscene amounts. This let them go on major shopping sprees gobbling up real estate all over the US, even when what they were obscenely over paying. The banks were pressured to hand out these loans. When I was living on Oahu throughout all this, for a couple years, we would get knocks on our doors by japanese people. There would be a white limo parked on the street and some translator who would ask us if we would like to sell our house. The offers would be atleast 10 to 20 percent above resonable market prices. One Japanese businessman, I remember his last name was Kawamoto, probably bought over 100 homes in our suburb within a year by doing this.


60 posted on 11/09/2006 8:40:33 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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