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Lots of Conservative Silver Linings
The Loft ^ | November 8, 2006 | Chuck Muth

Posted on 11/10/2006 7:24:07 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

ELECTION POST-MORTEM

While most Republicans woke up this morning lamenting Armageddon Tuesday, some of us didn’t lose any sleep over the election results. Happy at the prospect of two years with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi running Congress? Hardly. But there are a lot of silver linings behind these otherwise dark clouds…

* The single, most important lesson here: Democrats didn’t win; Republicans lost. And they didn’t just lose; they were routed. Voters didn’t reward Democrats, they punished Republicans. Badly. This wasn’t the country saying it wanted to go further Left; it was the country saying Republicans had already taken the country too far Left. This wasn’t about taking the country in a new direction; it was about correcting the GOP’s course.

* This wasn’t swing voters swinging over to the Left. This was conservative voters swinging back to the Right. This was “burning the village down to save it.” Conservatives didn’t necessarily stay home, though certainly many did. But they did find other ways to protest the GOP’s leftward tilt. It’ll be interesting to see the “under-vote” in this year’s congressional races. That would be the number of ballots cast where a vote in the congressional race was left blank.

* Yesterday’s election was a repudiation of George W. Bush’s brand of “compassionate conservatism.” It was also a repudiation of waging a politically correct war with one hand self-tied behind your back. No American soldier’s life is worth a mosque. And American generals, not American lawyers should be running the war. You’re either all in…or get out.

* The Democrats, of course, are taking all the wrong lessons out of yesterday’s results, a fact which can’t help but help Republicans regain their bearings and regain their majorities two years from now. Democrats will over-reach, as is their nature. The big question is whether or not the GOP will reposition itself to take advantage of the opportunity sure to come in 2008.

* Had yesterday’s reckoning with conservatives happened in 2008 instead of 2006, Republicans would have likely lost not only Congress, but the White House, as well. Best that the lesson was taught to Republicans now than later.

* The entire House Republican leadership team should now resign - from Denny Hastert on down. It’s time to hand the ball off to Reps. John Shadegg and Mike Pence. Had House GOP members done that last January when they had the chance, they may have avoided the disaster they suffered yesterday.

* Question: Now that Democrats have wrested control of Congress from the Republicans, how long do you think it will be before we see helicopters airlifting the last U.S. service personnel from the roof of the American embassy in Baghdad?

* Do you think the Republican establishment will FINALLY have learned not to put its fate in the hands of a Dole? Bob Dole gave Republicans the embarrassing 1996 presidential defeat, and his wife Liddy, who was put in charge of the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) this cycle, coached the team to the crushing Senate losses a decade later.

* The biggest victory in losing yesterday? The defeat of liberal Sen. Lincoln Chafee (ACU Lifetime Rating: 37) in Rhode Island. Not only was the Senate’s most liberal Republican purged from the ranks, but the Republican Party’s establishment got a kick right in the shorts, as well. Recall that the NRSC, the RNC and the White House pulled out all the stops to defeat Chafee’s conservative challenger in the GOP primary just two months ago, saying the party had to sacrifice principle for electoral victory. As it turned out, they got neither. Conservative Republican voters in Rhode Island got their revenge.

* As did conservative Republican voters in Pennsylvania, where Sen. Rick Santorum was upbraided for famously saving liberal Republican Sen. Arlen Specter’s bacon two years ago in his GOP primary race against conservative Rep. Pat Toomey. Payback’s a…

* As did conservative voters in Ohio, where Sen. Mike DeWine (ACU Lifetime Rating: 80) got spanked, at least in part, for his role in the infamous Gang of 14 which stopped the Republican majority from deploying the “nuclear option” and ending the Democrat blockade of judicial nominations.

* Republican Sen. Conrad Burns out in Montana got hit by conservatives for not only drifting too far left on the Earmark Express, but for getting too tied up in the Jack Abramoff insider scandal. Any Montanan who “goes native” in Washington, DC is gonna have some big problems.

* When a strong social conservative such as Sen. Jim Talent loses in a bedrock state of social conservatism such as Missouri over the social issue of embryonic stem cell research, it’s time to rejigger the conservative legislative priorities and get back to the basics of taxes, spending and national defense.

* Perhaps the most devastating loss of the evening will end up being Sen. George Allen in Virginia, a race which will likely be “too close to call” for quite some time…with the balance of power in the Senate on the line. Allen was the toast of the town just two short year’s ago after riding herd on the extremely successful GOP effort that resulted in a 55-45 Republican majority in the Senate in 2004. And he was fast-tracked to be the conservative choice in the early 2008 GOP presidential contest. Those hopes are now gone, even if he does somehow miraculously hold onto his Senate seat. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

* Republicans wouldn’t have lost the Senate, if in fact they do end up losing the Senate, had Republican Tom Kean Jr. won in New Jersey. Kean, you’ll recall, is the Republican candidate who called for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s resignation in the campaign. Now the Left might hate Rumsfeld, but conservatives don’t. Not a smart political move there.

* One bright light in the Senate contests: conservative Republican Sen. John Ensign whupped Jimmy Carter’s kid’s butt in Nevada. There’s nothing quite like beating a Carter for conservatives.

* Oh, and let’s not forget that little Democrat dust-up in Connecticut. Remember, Democrats are crowing that yesterday’s victories were a victory for the anti-war movement. But former Democrat Sen. Joe Lieberman came back as an Independent to crush the Left’s anti-war candidate yesterday, 50-40 percent.

* You gotta believe there was a serious anti-Republican backlash out in the Colorado gubernatorial race, where outgoing Gov. Bill Owens sold out the Right by supporting efforts to suspend the state’s government-restraint TABOR law last year. A strong GOP candidate, Rep. Bob Beauprez - who once served as the state’s Republican Party chairman - went down in flames. Thanks, Gov. Owen.

* Asa Hutchinson was best known as George Bush’s drug czar for a time, before doing a stint at the poorly-regarded…at least as far as conservatives are concerned…Department of Homeland Security. He lost his bid for governor in Arkansas.

* Republican Rep. Jim Nussle lost his bid for the governor’s office in Iowa. Nussle married a lobbyist a few years back.

* Republican Dick DeVos lost his bid against the job-killing Democrat governor in Michigan. The DeVos family was well-known for their opposition to the Michigan Civil Rights Initiative which would have banned the use of affirmative action in government hiring and college admissions. Voters passed MCRI and abolished affirmative action by an overwhelming margin yesterday. A HUGE victory for my friend Ward Connerly, who I hope to have on this week’s radio show Friday night.

* The best doggone victory yesterday for limited-government conservatives was Gov. Mark Sanford winning re-election in South Carolina. Sanford was under fire for being too “libertarian” - including supporting school vouchers and vetoing Republican-passed spending bills. In fact, the GOP majority leader did ads for the Democrat candidate because he was ticked off that Sanford showed up one day in the Legislature holding two pigs under his arms - one called “Pork” and the other called “Barrel.” Sanford was also criticized roundly for not compromising his principles or cutting deals on core issues. He won with 55 percent of the vote.

* The worst defeat for conservatives yesterday was the loss of Rep. J.D. Hayworth in Arizona. Not only did the GOP lose a true limited-government conservative, but a leader in the fight against illegal immigration as well as an articulate spokesman. Most Republicans are tongue-tied, wishy-washy weenies when on TV. Hayworth was a notable exception. But something tells me J.D. won’t be off the stage for long. Gov. Hayworth or Sen. Hayworth has a nice ring to it.

* Whether you call it a house-cleaning or thinning the herd, there’s no mistaking the fact that a number of well-know moderate-to-liberal Republicans in the House of Representatives were booted yesterday. Robert Simmons (ACU Lifetime Rating: 54) in Connecticut was trailing this morning, though the race was still too close to call. Fellow Connecticutian (or is it Connecticutite) Nancy Johnson (ACU Lifetime Rating: 47) lost. Charlie Bass (ACU Lifetime Rating: 71) in New Hampshire lost. John Sweeney (ACU Lifetime Rating: 77) in New York lost. Deborah Pryce (ACU Lifetime Rating: 79) in Ohio lost. Curt Weldon (ACU Lifetime Rating 70) in Pennsylvania lost.

There’s much, much more to go over, but I’m off to the radio studio for some post-election analysis on NPR. We’ll pick this back up later. But believe you me, this is not as bad for limited-government conservatives as many folks would have you think. This was a much-needed pruning which will allow the GOP to come back much healthier in the future…

This was, indeed, a loss for Republicans. But they asked for it. Serves ’em right. And in the long run, this may yet prove to be a huge victory for limited government conservatism. Onward and rightward!


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Apart from the demoralization of our troops, the abandonment of John Bolton, Nancy Pelosi as speaker, Dingy Harry in charge of the Senate, an impending amnesty for illegals, and a victory for the obstructors and cut-and-runners, the Republican loss was a good thing.

Always Look on the Bright Side of Life (from Monty Python)

1 posted on 11/10/2006 7:24:08 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

>>The worst defeat for conservatives yesterday was the loss of Rep. J.D. Hayworth in Arizona.

It's not clear that he lost- votes are still being counted. The race was called by the media, not by any qualified authority.


2 posted on 11/10/2006 7:28:24 AM PST by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

* Do you think the Republican establishment will FINALLY have learned not to put its fate in the hands of a Dole? Bob Dole gave Republicans the embarrassing 1996 presidential defeat, and his wife Liddy, who was put in charge of the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) this cycle, coached the team to the crushing Senate losses a decade later.

(or a BUSH)!


3 posted on 11/10/2006 7:28:48 AM PST by US Navy guy
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To: US Navy guy
(or a BUSH)!

Amen!

4 posted on 11/10/2006 7:32:00 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Mashed potatoes, gravy, and cranberry sauce! Wooooooo-oooooooo!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I've been doing a lot of thinking these past 2 days. It came to me that my party had gone too far left..(they abandoned me about a 2000 miles to the right) passsing these massive spending bills, playing hot potato with illegal immigration.. etc.. now the Dems hold power.. let's see if they can capture OBL, let's see if they can win the Iraq War, and WOT. too long the did posturing and finger pointing, now they have to get serious and make tough decisions.


5 posted on 11/10/2006 7:32:07 AM PST by Cinnamon
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To: US Navy guy

YOu forgot to mention Bob Ehrlich as a loss(MD Repub).
He was fiscal conservative, but a social lib.

He lost to a free spending mayor Omally.

WE also had a black candidate (Steele) who got 20% of the black vote. ANd now Dean is criticizing the MD Dem party for
not having enough black candidates. The MD dems will complain about not having blacks represent them and the
dems will promise them that next time it will happen.


MD is a big loser in the election.


6 posted on 11/10/2006 7:35:37 AM PST by mtairycitizen
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To: Cinnamon
I think we all know why we lost. The question is will the GOP return to it's conservative principles. When I heard the President mention guest worker program at his press conference it made me sick to my stomach. We cannot allow amnesty for criminals. They must never be allowed to become U.S citizens. That'll be 12 million more votes for the democrats. And instead of the terrorists beating, the nation will implode inside due to left-wing nonsense.
7 posted on 11/10/2006 7:36:09 AM PST by jsmaineconservative
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
As did conservative voters in Ohio, where Sen. Mike DeWine (ACU Lifetime Rating: 80)

And recent ACU rating much, much lower.

8 posted on 11/10/2006 7:37:13 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Hey Kerry, What part of showing heels and ass is a winning strategy in Iraq?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Can we please stop this charade that this election was somehow about Repubs being "too far left"?

It was about Iraq. Period.


9 posted on 11/10/2006 7:37:22 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Why did you post this article by this moron?

Nussle married a lobbyist? So what?

If they love each other, I don't care.

The type of people who wrote this article need to be purged from the party. And for good.


10 posted on 11/10/2006 7:41:07 AM PST by republicanwizard
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To: dinoparty

I will take the loss of Kean,Chafe and Dewine.
I will never understand why the GOP supported them
anyway. And supporting Spector cost Santorum his seat.

Did we have the Senate anyway?


Time to clean out our ranks. Let; just hope
there is enough of the country left to save once we do.


11 posted on 11/10/2006 7:41:33 AM PST by mtairycitizen
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To: republicanwizard
Nussle married a lobbyist? So what?

Bedroom politics.

12 posted on 11/10/2006 7:42:28 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Mashed potatoes, gravy, and cranberry sauce! Wooooooo-oooooooo!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Sometimes a good colon cleansing is what we need with the sh@* begins to pile up. We will all feel better as a result.


13 posted on 11/10/2006 7:43:27 AM PST by bella1 (Support the Minuteman Project.)
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To: oblomov

Making a silk purse out of a sow's ear.


14 posted on 11/10/2006 7:43:49 AM PST by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Apart from the demoralization of our troops, the abandonment of John Bolton, Nancy Pelosi as speaker, Dingy Harry in charge of the Senate, an impending amnesty for illegals, and a victory for the obstructors and cut-and-runners, the Republican loss was a good thing.

You forgot one huge thing: If there's another Supreme Court vacancy, the only kind of nominee that will get through now will be an O'Connor/Kennedy/Souter type. That's the end of a chance to put a conservative majority on the court for maybe 10 years or more - maybe a lot more. The conservatives who didn't vote will blame Bush for the non-conservative nominee, claiming it proves he's not conservative after all, because frankly they're not very bright.

15 posted on 11/10/2006 7:44:35 AM PST by lasereye
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"Apart from the demoralization of our troops, the abandonment of John Bolton, Nancy Pelosi as speaker, Dingy Harry in charge of the Senate, an impending amnesty for illegals, and a victory for the obstructors and cut-and-runners"

Not to mention the victory for Al Qaeda, the foreign fighters and the insurgents - they effected regime change within the US.

16 posted on 11/10/2006 7:47:38 AM PST by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: All
There's a new Conservative Petition out there to sign.
17 posted on 11/10/2006 7:48:06 AM PST by MaineVoter2002 (Election 2006 - Democrat Win, Conservative Mandate)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
* One bright light in the Senate contests: conservative Republican Sen. John Ensign whupped Jimmy Carter’s kid’s butt in Nevada.

I'm proud to have had the honor of being able to (a) vote against that carpetbagging son-of-a-peanut farmer, and (b) cast my vote for a real, no-nonsense conservative republican senator, John Ensign.

Everyone's talking about republicans returning to their conservative roots; just look at John Ensign as an example. He walks his talk, and his talk is plain, simple, no-nonsense conservatism. And he won handily.

18 posted on 11/10/2006 7:49:37 AM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This wasn’t the country saying it wanted to go further Left; it was the country saying Republicans had already taken the country too far Left. This wasn’t about taking the country in a new direction; it was about correcting the GOP’s course.

Whatever the country meant or didn't mean; we're now headed for socialism. Does the writer actually think they care what the people want ?

19 posted on 11/10/2006 7:51:00 AM PST by Red Boots
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Yeah, the answer he came up with was more of the same crap that lost the election....

Until they get the real reasons for the losses into their thick heads, we will never regain any sort of majority status....

It certainly was not spending, and this was his entire reason for failure on Tuesday.

Spending may be a inside baseball issue, but it had no national implications...

What did, was Conservative Hubris....A bunch of it....

20 posted on 11/10/2006 7:54:57 AM PST by Cold Heat (We blew it..... So back to work we go........)
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To: jsmaineconservative

"We cannot allow amnesty for criminals. They must never be allowed to become U.S citizens. That'll be 12 million more votes for the democrats."

We will have amnesty for all those illegal aliens. When we controlled the government we had a chance, one last shot, to stop the flow. But President Bush and a sizeable portion of the Republican contingent still seated in the US Senate adamantly refused to do what Border Conservatives want.

Now the Democrats are in charge, Bush is still in the White House, and many of the Republican Senators who wanted amnesty are still seated.

I mention the Senators, because the only place to STOP amnesty is a filibuster (the President won't veto an amnesty bill; he wants one), and there are not 41 Republican Senators willing to filibster amnesty. Moreover, as you pointed out, Hispanic immigrants are the Democrats' "majority maker" for the next hundred years. They replenish the ranks and REPLACE all of those millions of babies of the Left lost to abortion. If there is ONE issue on which the Democratic Senate will use the nuclear option, it is in ensuring that amnesty-by-another-name gets through the Senate. Bush will sign it.

So yes, there will be 12 million more votes. And more to come therefrom.

The only thing we can still control is whether or not that 12 million become DEMOCRATS. Right now, they certainly will. There is no doubt about it. The Republican party stands (at least some in the party stand) against them being here in the first place, and have worked to try and unravel much of the social safety net on which poor people, like blacks and Hispanics, depend. So, OF COURSE they're going to vote Democratic, en masse, unless Republicans do something to capture a significant part of this voter base.

It is not hopeless, but it requires a gut check.
Republicans cannot have ANY of their agenda if they don't hold power, and with Democrars slated to give amnesty, the anti-immigration fight is lost now. We had our shot, we didn't take it, we're never going to have those numbers again, because Hispanic immigrants are going to tilt the tide more and more in favor of Democrats.

So, we have to make peace with reality. Stopping Hispanic immigration, MASSIVE Hispanic immigration, isn't going to happen. Stopping amnesty isn't going to happen. We don't have the power. The President wants it.

In the face of that politcal reality, we need to figure out how to get a big chunk of Hispanic voters.

Pro-family, pro-life organization is the way.
Stop trying to block them - we can't.
Welcome them. Promise to secure the social safety net. And campaign with the church to organize Hispanics on pro-life lines. That will get many many of them on our side and turn the loss on the issue into a gain for the future,. It;'s the only way.


21 posted on 11/10/2006 7:56:32 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

later


22 posted on 11/10/2006 7:57:57 AM PST by I_be_tc
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
We purged the RINOs and time-serving hacks. Too bad thumb-sucking Chris Shays is still around together with weenies Lindsay Graham and John Warner - Gang of 14 Sellouts. They're living on borrowed time. And McCain is the last of 'em to deal with and nothing is more apopros than the trite and true saying revenge is best served cold. DOWN WITH RINOs!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

23 posted on 11/10/2006 7:59:47 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Sam Cree
"Not to mention the victory for Al Qaeda, the foreign fighters and the insurgents - they effected regime change within the US."

And unfortunately this was a known strategy of effecting regime change by AQ for the past few years and was known by many in this country and the public selectively ignored by the masses while voting at the election booths on Tues!

With effecting regime change as their strategy, and successfully doing so, they do in effect have the world under their control.

I fear that with the ditsy sleepy headed liberals in control of this country the collective citezenry will again fall asleep and return to their dozy pre 9/11 existence.

Apparently the enemy has eternal patience to strike. We, on the other hand, have become tired of the war game and want to put down our toys and go home to the world before 9/11.

24 posted on 11/10/2006 8:02:21 AM PST by R_Kangel ("Please insert witty tag-line here")
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Ping to read later


25 posted on 11/10/2006 8:04:50 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: lasereye

Well, if this issue were SO important, why didn't the GOP campaign on this issue.

It never came up. Never.

So quit blaming the voters because the GOP's campaigns sucked.


26 posted on 11/10/2006 8:07:45 AM PST by Madeleine Ward
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To: dinoparty

Can we please stop this charade that this election was somehow about Repubs being "too far left"?
It was about Iraq. Period.


It was Iraq, because they had nothing else to run on. If they had successes that could have offset Iraq, we would have won. The fact is, we have blown it on everything.


27 posted on 11/10/2006 8:08:46 AM PST by kara37
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To: Vicomte13
"Welcome them. Promise to secure the social safety net. "

You're nuts. Milton Friedman said our system cannot sustain these numbers of illegals while we have a welfare state.

28 posted on 11/10/2006 8:13:38 AM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Deborah Pryce (ACU Lifetime Rating: 79) in Ohio lost.

Last I looked, Pryce won.

29 posted on 11/10/2006 8:15:19 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Congratulations to Michelle Bachman, Steve Chabot, Mark Wahlberg, Adrian Smith and other CFGers)
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To: goldstategop
We purged the RINOs and time-serving hacks.

They lost because they had a "R" behind their names, not because they were moderates.

The party did not purge them, the voters in their districts did because they were vulnerable.

If you note, the most conservative members were also purged, as you call it...

This was a referendum on republican leadership and direction, and to suggest that more of the same is the answer, is at best foolish, and really stupid IMO....

Attacking the moderates in the party did contribute to the losses, and to expect any other result is political idiocy...

It's going to be interesting to watch as conservatives flail about, trying to ignore the reality of what happened. I doubt they will figure it out for some time, and in 08 will dig the hole even deeper.

Damn shame....I worked most of my politically aware life to put republicans in charge, and what I got was a right wing attack on the structure of the party, and it resulted in a complete rout at the polls.

Damn shame....

30 posted on 11/10/2006 8:15:55 AM PST by Cold Heat (We blew it..... So back to work we go........)
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To: Madeleine Ward
Well, if this issue were SO important, why didn't the GOP campaign on this issue. So quit blaming the voters because the GOP's campaigns sucked

They're not mutually exclusive. The campaigns were comatose on this and the conservatives who didn't vote are stupid. The fact is every intelligent conservative should be aware of the significance of the Supreme Court. They shouldn't need it to be explained to them. It's possible the people who didn't campaign on that thought everyone in the base understood it (which is wrong). I can blame the campaigns and the conservatives who didn't vote.

31 posted on 11/10/2006 8:20:55 AM PST by lasereye
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To: kara37

I would love it for some conservative to come out and say it but it will never happen: The majority of people who voted this week were just too stupid to know what is right for America! Of course now *I* sound like the elitist. Two years ago we were the ones called stupid, closed minded, and extremist for supporting GWB. We didnt like the criticism then, so I am hesitant to insult people now.

However, since '04 we have had 2 more years to see the threat we face, and the need to remain united as a nation against this common enemy. For millions of voters to send a signal to the terrorists that we are divided was not very wise, IMHO. One of the biggest failures of the GOP though was to campaign on the WOT, the successes in Iraq, and the need to remain strong and united. Maybe they did this in some districts and states but I did not see it in this area. I also think they dropped the ball by not talking more about the extreme leftism of the Democrate leadership in the House and Senate. Just maybe if they had run a slightly better campaign they could have saved a few seats.


32 posted on 11/10/2006 8:21:06 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
One of the lessons that people forget is this:

It may not be in a conservatives best interest to vote against the Republicans; however, ...

If you push someone -- anyone -- too far, they may forget just what exactly is in their own best interests when they take action.

33 posted on 11/10/2006 8:32:12 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
* Do you think the Republican establishment will FINALLY have learned not to put its fate in the hands of a Dole? Bob Dole gave Republicans the embarrassing 1996 presidential defeat, and his wife Liddy, who was put in charge of the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) this cycle, coached the team to the crushing Senate losses a decade later.

Every GOP Presidential ticket since 1976 has had a Bush or a Dole on it.

It's time to change that.

34 posted on 11/10/2006 8:34:19 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Vicomte13
Welcome them. Promise to secure the social safety net. And campaign with the church to organize Hispanics on pro-life lines. That will get many many of them on our side and turn the loss on the issue into a gain for the future,. It;'s the only way.

Or perhaps if we somehow convince those conservative dems, newly elected, to join us in getting rid of the welfare states, then all these welfare-suckers will go back to their native countries.

Oh, who am I kidding...

35 posted on 11/10/2006 8:47:42 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Mashed potatoes, gravy, and cranberry sauce! Wooooooo-oooooooo!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks


It's good to see so many RINOs have been trimmed away.


36 posted on 11/10/2006 8:53:09 AM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
No American soldier’s life is worth a mosque. And American generals, not American lawyers should be running the war. You’re either all in…or get out.

Amen.

37 posted on 11/10/2006 9:53:41 AM PST by MamaLucci (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: Sam Cree

It's amazing that, with all of the negative consequences that will result from losing, that the Republican party was so willing to court a loss by keeping all of it's negative baggage.

It's almost as if the Republican leadership wanted to lose.


38 posted on 11/10/2006 11:18:45 AM PST by gogogodzilla (I criticize everyone... and then breathe some radioactive fire and stomp on things.)
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To: Cold Heat

Damn shame....I worked most of my politically aware life to put republicans in charge, and what I got was a right wing attack on the structure of the party, and it resulted in a complete rout at the polls.

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Looks like someone has forgotten that the Republicans are supposed to BE the right-wing of politics...


39 posted on 11/10/2006 11:21:02 AM PST by gogogodzilla (I criticize everyone... and then breathe some radioactive fire and stomp on things.)
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To: oblomov

It's not clear that he lost- votes are still being counted. The race was called by the media, not by any qualified authority.
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Thank you ..This need to kep being repeated.


40 posted on 11/10/2006 11:22:06 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The welfare state can't be gotten rid of, because it will reduce most Americans to poverty.

First, most Americans would not get an education if it weren't for public schools.

Second, most Americans would not be able to go to college were it not for veteran's benefits or student loans.

Third, almost no Americans could pay the cost of medical care in their final year of life, when they have no income.

Fourth, absent Social Security, hardly any Americans have the means to support themselves on their own investments through the end of life.

Fifth, there would be a lot of starving factory workers and their families whenever there's an economic downturn and layoffs, but for unemployment insurance.

We need the social welfare state if most of us don't want to be ignorant, poor, and die in penury and without modern medical treatment.

We also need it if we don't want to be beset by crime and have the constant risk of popular revolt.

So no, it's not possible to convince any sort of working majority in America to ever dismantle the welfare state. People are not going to vote against their own security like that.

We really ought to put that sort of thing out of our mind as a goal. It's not even a DESIREABLE goal, when you get right down to it. We need to social welfare state. But it needs to be efficient, supervised and well-regulated, not a sprawling, wasteful mess. And on THAT we can work.


41 posted on 11/10/2006 11:33:35 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"* As did conservative voters in Ohio, where Sen. Mike DeWine (ACU Lifetime Rating: 80) got spanked, at least in part, for his role in the infamous Gang of 14 which stopped the Republican majority from deploying the “nuclear option” and ending the Democrat blockade of judicial nominations."
Well, be grateful to the gang of 14 for the preserved opportunity to blockade and botch the rats on the judiciary. One never knows when it could come handy.
42 posted on 11/10/2006 1:16:33 PM PST by GSlob
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To: gogogodzilla
Looks like someone has forgotten that the Republicans are supposed to BE the right-wing of politics...

I should not need to post this explanation, but every Republican with very few exceptions, are conservative to varying degrees. Within the party there there is a right wing with two distinct divisions and mixes of both, a center with all kinds of variations, and a left with the same makeup as the right hand side, offering two divisions of the group.

Both divisions on the right vied to see who controls the party, and attacked the middle and left. Both divisions, the fiscal right, and the social conservative right, tried to purge the party of it's middle and left, which comprises about two thirds of the party.

Do I need to go any further before you realize the faulty logic of these actions...

Anyhooo! That's what happened, and why we are now on the outside looking in, and from commentary made by our various punditry since the elections, this situation is going to get much worse before it gets better, and will also affect the '08 elections, digging the hole deeper.

Hope that explains it for you....

43 posted on 11/10/2006 1:22:04 PM PST by Cold Heat (We blew it..... So back to work we go........)
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To: Cold Heat
.I worked most of my politically aware life to put republicans in charge, and what I got was a right wing attack on the structure of the party,

Then why are you pi$$ed, you have liberals in charge?

44 posted on 11/10/2006 1:25:07 PM PST by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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To: itsahoot
I'm not a liberal..

What I am saying is that if you keep this up, the hole will end up a lot deeper in '08, and I'm assuming that it will.

Simply because of your response and how the party's right wing sees the center, this will continue.

45 posted on 11/10/2006 1:52:18 PM PST by Cold Heat (We blew it..... So back to work we go........)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Apart from the demoralization of our troops, the abandonment of John Bolton, Nancy Pelosi as speaker, Dingy Harry in charge of the Senate, an impending amnesty for illegals, and a victory for the obstructors and cut-and-runners, the Republican loss was a good thing.

Aside from the fact that we're going to reprise Vietnam's end game in Iraq, the Republican loss was a good thing.

31,000,000 AINOs voted "D." Until they are permanently excised from the American body politic, America will never win a war.

46 posted on 11/10/2006 1:54:36 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (I dare call it treason.)
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To: Vicomte13
The welfare state can't be gotten rid of, because it will reduce most Americans to poverty.

Then let them save and get to WORK. I have less pocket money now than I did 6 years ago and I make almost double ... the reason? TAXES !

47 posted on 11/10/2006 1:57:28 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If the Romans had nukes, Carthage would still be glowing.)
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To: Centurion2000

"Then let them save and get to WORK. I have less pocket money now than I did 6 years ago and I make almost double ... the reason? TAXES !"

Unemployment is near record lows. They ARE working, just like you.

And no, your taxes didn't go up in the past 6 years. They went down. Bush was elected. You have less pocket money because gas got a lot more experisive, energy got a lot more expensive in general. Thank the rise of China and India (needing more oil and gas than ever) and the Iraq war (taking Iraqi oil out of the world energy flow) for that.
You also have less pocket money because health care costs have exploded. You have less pocket money because housing costs exploded.
None of this had anything to do with taxes, which are as low as they've been since Reagan.

The government is not stripping you of your money. Inflation in the regular old economy is.

How much can you save of your income a year?
Add that up. Are you going to be able to live on the interest off of that for 30 years after you retire?
Are you going to be able to pay for cancer treatments off of that?
No.
That's why you need the social safety net: Social Security and Medicare will pay for those things which you won't be able to.

If you have kids, can you afford to send them to private school? Yes? No? Could your parents afford to send YOU to private school? No? The social safety net probably provided you with the education that your parents probably couldn't afford to provide on their own dollar. And are they old and nearing retirement? Without Social Security and Medicare, do they have the means, just sitting in the bank, to provide themselves a living income off the interest for the rest of their lives, including paying for all of their health care costs?

Hardly anybody has that much money, and hardly anybody can save that much money. That's why we've erected a social welfare state, and that's why we're going to keep it.

We need to be realistic about this.


48 posted on 11/10/2006 2:16:11 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Cold Heat
Simply because of your response and how the party's right wing sees the center, this will continue.

Like I said you should be happy, get over it, conservative principles are not for sale to the big tent RINO's.

Bush, Dole, Bush same cloth.

49 posted on 11/10/2006 2:24:19 PM PST by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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To: Vicomte13
Hardly anybody has that much money, and hardly anybody can save that much money. That's why we've erected a social welfare state, and that's why we're going to keep it.

I was born in 1938, in rural Oklahoma, so I know of what you speak. It is the loss of American Culture that saddens me the most, but neither party is going to change that.

in 1955, I had an appendectomy along with peritonitis. I spent three days in the hospital, the total bill for hospital, surgery, and doctor $300.00, about a month's pay at the time

A couple months back, I had a laporoscopic surgery to look at a kidney, the bill was $60,000.00 and rising, a little more than a month's pay for most I would say.

50 posted on 11/10/2006 2:37:52 PM PST by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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