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To: Mount Athos

Retaining 'mainsream' credibility also explains why Steyn refuses to make the logical conclusion with regards to Muslim immigration to Europe; i.e. that it must be stopped, or at least severely curtailed. Few things will turn the elite conservative establishment against a person like being an immigration restrictionist, and while the immigration problems of Europe and the United States are not identical, pro-mass immigration conservatives here don't want to see restrictionist/reductionist policies succeed in Europe because they fear they may spread across the pond to America.


7 posted on 11/11/2006 7:15:52 AM PST by Aetius
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To: Aetius

Should have read;

"Few things will turn the elite conservative establishment against a person like being an immigration restrictionist (or in other words, holding conservative views on immigration)...


9 posted on 11/11/2006 7:18:57 AM PST by Aetius
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No, not at all. You and the author of the review both make this claim.

Steyn fails to state the logical conclusion, which is that Muslim immigration must be stopped. Period.

But he is quite clear that the reason Europe can't stop the influx is BECAUSE of the Demographics. They litterally have not created enough kids to keep the wheels on the trains.

He also points out, at length, that this is made worse by the cradle to grave socialism that voters there expect. Stopping immigration would mean a huge cut in benefits to the coddled French and German citizens.

They have built a trap from which they can no longer escape.

45 posted on 11/11/2006 9:31:04 AM PST by Jack Black
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The media stressed that Blair was unpopular in UK because of his involvement with the US in Iraq but most of the Brits I talked with say it was because he was so lax about immigration. There are already several Muslim MP's and growing. This is how they are going achieve their goal of converting Great Britain into an Islamic theocracy--through the greatest gift of our civilization--participatory democracy.

Maybe the most significant event in last week's election was the election of our first Muslim representative.

62 posted on 11/11/2006 11:43:06 AM PST by MHT
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Few things will turn the elite conservative establishment against a person like being an immigration restrictionist,

True. But the age of immigration is over. We just passed the 300 million mark, we don't need any more immigrants from anywhere.

64 posted on 11/11/2006 11:49:29 AM PST by Spirochete
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If Muslim immigration into Europe was stopped tommorrow, given immigrant birthrate, they will still be majority in the larger European states in just a generation or two.

And as a majority...or a significant minority, would stopping immigration be possible for very long?

The only hope for Europe is either:

Islamic immigrants' mass conversion to Christianity (highly unlikely, given the tepid state of the Church anywhere in Europe), or their mass deportation along with stopping more immigration (impossible...if for nothing else their contribution to the economics of the social welfare state).

It really is sad, but I believe in our lifetime we will see Europe as a Eurabia.


108 posted on 11/12/2006 5:03:59 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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