Media in ERROR -- Immigration-Reduction did NOT lose at the polls

Roy Beck E-mail from Numbers USA ^ | 11-11-06 | Roy Beck

[AmericaOne]

Share this with anyone you know who thinks or believes that being tough on illegal immigration or border control cost us control of congress or is a political loser!!!

[cripplecreek]

I would be interested in seeing how many races fell in favor of candidates running on border control. (I'm talking about seats that changed hands in favor of control.) In my district's congressional race we went from a pro amnesty RINO to a pro control conservative supported by the Minuteman PAC.

[ShawTaylor]

Media in ERROR -- Immigration-Reduction did NOT lose at the polls

I have been saying that since I joined.
Good to see the the real facts come out.
So much for Whoreraldo's nonsense about strong immigration policies costing the Republicans the House.
But then Whoreraldo has never made much sense in his life has he?

[roses of sharon]

Oh please, give it up!

Republican and Conservative voters surrendered the Congress to the MSM/DNC/OBL/Hollywood, who are obviously much more powerful than the Right.

And in the process of "sending the message", they voted out the only Firewall of Conservatives who could move the President to the right on illegals.

Rightwing voters cannot govern in the majority, they are to prone to Utopian visions, not knowing who the real enemy is, and waiting for their robot-like Conservative savior. Minority bitching is much easier.

It is over.

[MNJohnnie]

Kid yourself all you want. Cite all the figures you want. Immigration reduction lost at the polls. NOT in the way the Junk Media means it as causing the lost but in the sense of losing any ability to influence outcomes in DC.

The ONLY people who stood tall on Immigration, the US House GOP, got fired. It was their major issue and they got canned. So the now the Angry about Immigration have NO one one their side in DC. That is just fact.

All the angry denials in the world will not change that fact

[VOA]

Media in ERROR -- Immigration-Reduction did NOT lose at the polls

I'd quibble with the title.
I suspect what was really meant was:

Media in ERROR -- ILLEGAL Immigration-Reduction did NOT lose at the polls

I do think the most folks are just steaming mad about Illegal
immigration/invasions.
Relatively well controlled and orderly legal immigration works
for most folks.

It's just that that title "as is" would be easily exploited by the
"you're a xenophobe racist for wanting sanity in immigration and
controlling our borders" crowd.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Conservatism didn't lose, it was the business-as-usual liberal-lite RINOs that squandered the leadership positions.

[Dreagon]

Oh BS. The Reps DIDN'T stand tall on immigration, they tried to play the base for fools by authorizing a fence they never intended to build. And it cost them.

Get your head out, and deal with it yourself. It's on of the things thats going to keep costing the Reps until they get serious. If we are going to watch liberal practices in Washington, we can damn see to it's the Democrats doing it because we will keep the Reps at home until they convince us they are serious. The sad thing is I think we are going to have to sit out one more election to prove we mean business.

[catholicfreeper]

Americans don't want open borders or a pure Senate bill on immigration. However I think its clear that the pure Tancredo stance has not been endorsed by the AMerican people either.

After looking at a year of this I find Most Americans are not that opposed to some pathway to citzenship as long as its fair and rational.

I the fact that some of those ballot issue in Arizona passed doesnt suprise me. In fact some of those hads 50 percent Hispanic support. The key is to see for instance why there was a drop off in Hispanic vote(as well as others) between those ballot issues and then canidates that endorsed the ultra Hardline on immigration.

That position those people appear to have doesnt seem easy to put in a soundbite but its one we should be listening too

[VOA]

And in the process of "sending the message", they voted out the only
Firewall of Conservatives who could move the President to the right
on illegals.

That's the bottom line.
I held my nose and voted "R" because like most adults, I could
think ahead.

Apparently some "purists" and "mushy middles" either lack this
faculty or they are self-flagellating.
But it's a free country and they were free to vote as they pleased.
Or not vote.

And yes, it's over.
I'll probably be ordering my Rosetta Stone Spanish package in
a couple of days.
And I'm NOT being facetious about that.

[penowa]

What did Arizona really show?

That Motor-Voter is not our friend!

[cinives]

Here in PA we went for an anti-illegal to a pro-amnesty.

[Cicero]

I think you are right, but it doesn't make any difference. We now have a president who favors amnesty, and a congress that favors amnesty. The Republicans like the idea of more cheap workers for their donors, and the Democrats like the idea of more Dem voters on the plantation. It's a slam-dunk.

[seastay]

This seems to be a loosing battle, even though the economy is an all time high, mindless journalists continue to repeat the rhetoric that the US needs and wants more immigrants to do work that is not being done.

Even though the majority of the population is against a comprehensive immigration reform that grants eventual citizenship to 100 million new immigrants, increasing US populating by 33%, the rhetoric is reported that most citizens are now in favor of ‘reform’ as a result of sending the house candidates whom were perceived as being “tough” .

Journalists continue to repeat the rhetoric even though the number of immigrants legal and illegal is now at all time high, representing more than 10% of the population , when historical immigrants were never higher than 5%, we are told that our immigration policies are broken and we need to allow more immigrants.

Journalists continue to repeat the rhetoric even though crime and foreign born gangs are more prevalent than ever before, beheadings from drug lords wars , south of the border, but we are told that terrorism is only occurring in the middle east, and the US is the cause of it.

Journalists continue to repeat the rhetoric even though recent Mexican elections were not resolved peacefully until months after an election was decided, we are told that these people should be made part of our electoral system too, because they have family values and would be responsible voters .

Journalists continue to repeat the rhetoric even though it is legal to drive in this country with an international drivers license, or a foreign issued license, we are told by journalist that foreign visitors to our county need to be issued US drivers licensee’s in order to drive.

Maybe they think if they keep trying to paint the world to how they want it to be, that people will believe them, and for the most part it seems to be true. Journalists do have the power to frame the debate, even with absurd premises. The US population is often so ignorant of the real facts that truth is lost.

Well they say the first thing to be lost in war is truth, and it appears as with the case of immigration, this is a loosing battle for the truth.

[WatchingInAmazement]

The ONLY people who stood tall on Immigration, the US House GOP, got fired.

Oh, Johnnie,Johnnie,Johnnie, you just can't help yourself can you? Graf and a couple others lost because people like you and the DNC supported their opponent!

Tancredo won, Duncan Hunter won and so did a bunch of others as did my rep who only sent out campaign ad on IMMIGRATION enforcement. All the dems ran against illegal immigration that won. Why do you think all those dems voted for the fence just before the election- duh!!! so they'd get voted for!

Conservative News conservativenewsnyc@yahoo.com

We have some very important information for you below. There is a ton of misinformation in the media, both by liberals (e.g. Pelosi) and neocons (e.g. Bill Kristol, Linda Chavez). They are being dishonest about the election and immigration. Every single exit poll shows that voters voted against Republicans in this election because (1) the war in Iraq (2) corruption and (3) (in some states) free trade

It had nothing to do with immigration. In fact, if the GOP had been more anti-immigration and did not have a President who cares more about amnesty than hard-working Americans, the GOP would have done better.

Of the Republicans who lost in this election: only 6.7% of those losing were anti-immigration (in Tancredo's caucus)

34.9 % of those who lost, however, were pro-Amnesty and supported Bush's pro-Amnesty plan. (These people received a grade of D or lower on their Immigration Report Cards)

[WatchingInAmazement]

Here in PA we went for an anti-illegal to a pro-amnesty.

If you are talking about Santorum, he is only recently for "anti-illegal" And Curt Weldon wasn't much better.

http://profiles.numbersusa.com/improfile.php3?DistSend=PA&VIPID=683 Santorum

Voted in favor of chain migration in 1996

Voted in favor of amendment to create additional guestworker visa categories in 2006

Voted in favor of amendment to increase foreign-worker importation in 2005

Cosponsoring legislation to increase H-2B workers who are present in the U.S. at any one time in 2005-2006

Voted for a foreign worker bill with no anti-fraud measures in 2000.

Voted to allow firms to lay off Americans to make room for foreign workers in 1998

Voted against amendment to fund additional immigration investigators in 2006

Voted against amendment to provide funding for additional Border Patrol agents in 2005

Tried to kill voluntary pilot programs for workplace verification in 1996 [snips]

WEldon

Voted against American workers by voting for worker-importation program in 2003

Voted in 1998 to allow firms to lay off Americans to make room for foreign workers

Voted against amendment to fund program to deny driver's licenses to illegal aliens in 2005

Voted in favor of amendment to strip provision to make it harder for terrorists to get asylum in 2004

Voted in favor of amendment to strip expedited removal for illegal aliens from H.R. 10 in 2004

Voted against enforcing federal laws against sanctuary policies to protect illegal aliens in 2004

Opposed mandatory workplace verification programs in 1996

Tried to kill voluntary pilot programs for workplace verification in 1996

[WatchingInAmazement]

Another reason:How Ted Haggard delivered control to the Democrats



The Republican Party lost the mid-term elections primarily due to the war in Iraq; however, there were other contributing factors. According to the Pew Research Centre, 78 percent of evangelicals in the United States voted Republican in 2004. This week polls indicate that just 50 percent of evangelicals voted for the Republicans, and evangelical turnout was dramatically lower. The Democrats, with pro same-sex marriage, pro-abortion leader Nancy Pelosi, now control the legislative agenda of the U.S. government. How did this happen?

The Rev. Ted Haggard, the defrocked president of the National Association of Evangelicals led a two-year campaign to subject the evangelical church to the laws of global warming. The introduction of the earth movement has confused the church with neo-pagan teachings. In Romans Chapter 1, God warns us not to place creation over the Creator. (snip)

: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp? ARTICLE_ID=52904

[MNJohnnie]

The thing to be watching with amusement these days is how the always Angry ones will try desperately to find some other scapegoats to blame when the logical outcome of their petulant temper tantrum is realized. The factual reality does not change. The US House GOP fought tooth and nail for you, you fired them screaming "100% or Nothing". Well enjoy the nothing you got.

Watch, it will be everyone else fault but theirs. Same way 1992 was, according to the Perotistas, everyone else's fault.

[cinives]

Yep, you are right. How quickly we forget ... yet at the end, even Santorum seemed to "get it". Casey will not, because his union buddies need more bodies to unionize.

[John Lenin]

If W grants amnesty to 30 million illegals I'm all for his impeachment.