Posted on 11/13/2006 2:25:17 PM PST by tsmith130
Edited on 11/13/2006 4:48:30 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Giuliani Takes Steps to Prep for Presidential Bid in 2008
WASHINGTON Former New York City mayor , a moderate Republican best known for his stewardship of the city after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, has taken the first step in a 2008 presidential bid, GOP officials said Monday.
The former mayor filed papers to create the , creating a panel that would allow him to raise money for a White House run and travel the country.
Have YOU ever had cancer of any kind? Has any close family member or friend? If not, I suggest that YOU do some research and find out just how debilitating that is and then get back to me.
Some here think that they have......LOL
Great post. Touche!
Pay attention to the signs. The GOP base did turn out well if not spectacularly. Had the Republican Party moved further leftward, the 2006 election setbacks might have been a rout that exceeded the losses of 1932 and 1964 for us and 1952 and 1994 for the Democrats. The Constitution Party has bragged about how well they did in this election cycle due to disgruntled conservatives deserting the Republicans. Going entirely RINO will cause the trickle to turn into a flood. There are not enough soccer moms, perverts, and metrosexuals to replace the real Americans that the Republican Party will lose.
Rudy Giuliani Forming An Exploratory Committee
ROTFLOL-----says it all about this loser. Kenny Mehlman (thrown out the back door of the RNC for last Tuesday's debacle) touted Rudy as a "great campaigner," sending him out to campaign for all those Republicans----who all went down to defeat. Having Rudy campaigning for you is the kiss of death. This is the man Mehlman says is supposed to save Republicans in 2008.
Yeah, sure. Mehlman---just the candidate Repubs need: Rudy's three wives, his mobbed-up cronies, his abortion/gay worship, and his predilection for using his Mayoral office to advance ultra-liberalism (even though he had no mandate or constitutional platform to do so).
"Hey Rudy, denial is in Egypt."
That's why he turned N.Y.C. around, when it was in its last gasps, lowered taxes, beat the teachers' unions, cut crime figures by startling amounts, and on and on and on and on.
Do you only read the N.Y. Slimes and listen to WBAI, dear?
All mayors have performed in these skits, as well as other local politicians and their staff members.
Chicago has such an annual show too.....done by lawyers.
- Attended and marched in every gay pride parade in NYC while mayor (even one in 1992 that included a NAMBLA contingent of pedophile activists)
- Attends and supports many functions and fund-raisers held by radical gay organizations (even did a cross dressing act at Pride Agenda fund-raiser)
- Openly opposes Constitutional Amendment to protect tradition marriage which is supported by President Bush and the Republican Party Platform.
- Supported "domestic partner" and "civil union" bills in City Council while mayor of NYC.
- Submitted Gay "Domestic-Partner" Rights Bill to City Council giving gay and lesbian couples the same benefits reserved for married couples.
- Said, "I'm proud of it" when referring to the gay "domestic partner" bill he submitted. Said, "National Republicans can lump it if they don't like this new domestic-partners bill...I think it puts New York City ahead of other places in the country."
- Has received awards from several radical gay agenda organizations who support gay marriage for his support of their cause. Is considered a "champion" of gay "rights."
- Lived with a gay "married" couple in Manhattan when he moved out of Gracie Mansion during his second divorce.
- Said that homosexuality is "good and normal"
Some people want Republicans to ignore his liberalism on almost every issue and, as a distraction, they try to pretend that Rudy is fiscally conservative. Again, his record shows that he isn't fiscally conservative either:
According to an article in The Nation from 2002:
It's now apparent that Giuliani purchased the city's good times partially with borrowed money and left his successor, Mike Bloomberg, holding a bag of debt. New York City went from a $3 billion budget surplus in 1998 to a $4.5 billion deficit after Giuliani left office. This mismanagement of prosperity is a big part of his legacy. Giuliani left the city's finances in a mess...Here are some things Giuliani did as Mayor that were NOT anywhere near being fiscally conservative:
- New York City went from a $3 billion budget surplus in 1998 to a $4.5 billion deficit after Giuliani left office.
- Added 25,000 government employees patronage hires to the city's payroll after promising to cut the work force.
- Giuliani's borrowing practices increased the city's debt burden by 50 percent.
- Partly because of Giuliani, New York City is now the biggest debtor in the nation outside of the federal government with $42 billion in loans outstanding.
According to the article from The Nation:
During the 1960s Giuliani was a self-described "Robert Kennedy Democrat." He identified with RFK as a liberal Catholic prosecutor. He volunteered for RFK's 1968 presidential campaign while he was a student at NYU Law School. Giuliani also voted for George McGovern in 1972. During the liberal 1960s, he was a liberal.So, to sum that up:But in 1975 Giuliani switched his party registration from Democrat to Independent when he got a job in Gerald Ford's Justice Department, according to his mentor Harold "Ace" Tyler.
On December 8, 1980, Giuliani changed his registration from Independent to Republican. This was one month after Ronald Reagan's election, and just as he was applying for a top job in the Justice Department.
"He only became a Republican after he began to get all these jobs from them. He's definitely not a conservative Republican. He thinks he is, but he isn't..."
And as John Hawkins put it in an excellent article in Human Events:
Despite all of his charisma and the wonderful leadership he showed after 9/11, Rudy Giuliani is not a Reagan Republican. To the contrary, Giuliani is another Christie Todd Whitman, another Arlen Specter, another Olympia Snowe. He's a throwback to the "bad old days" before Reagan, when the GOP was run by moderate Country Club Republicans who considered conservatives to be extremists. Trying to revive that failed strategy again is likely to lead to a Democratic President in 2008 and numerous setbacks for the Republican Party.
Conservative Case Against Rudy Giuliani
by John Hawkins
Posted Aug 30, 2006 Rudy Giuliani, a contender for the presidency in 2008, is receiving an inordinate amount of positive attention. That's quite understandable since Rudy is charismatic, did a great job on the campaign trail for President Bush in 2004, and his phenomenal performance after 9/11 was much appreciated. However, likeable or not, having Rudy as the GOP's candidate in 2008 would be a big mistake. Here's a short, but sweet primer on some of Rudy's many flaws.
Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance
As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:
"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:
I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...
Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.
Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."
"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?
His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."Here's more from the New York Daily News:
"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.
The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.
"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."
"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."
"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:
"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.
No, I don't read that crap, honey.
He dropped out because he was fighting prostate cancer. Good grief.
A lot of die-hard "we hate Rudy" social conservatives are going to be very surprised at the stances Rudy believes in and the conservative viewpoints Rudy will bring to the table. Rudy is a fiscal conservative, a law and order conservative, a tough War on Teror conservative, and wanted to name Scalia to be the Chief Justice last spring.
When people talk about rudy's "liberalism" on the social issues, his admiration for Scalia and non-activist judges should allay the fears of many -- at least those willing to LISTEN and THINK... that somehow under Rudy guns will be confiscated and traditional marriage will be scuppered. He has been divorced.. and so was Reagan. Big deal.
It is gonna be a long campaign and all that we Rudy-ites ask is that you LISTEN to what the man says on all the issues and then decide if you'd rather have Rudy or McCain or the Hildebeest as your next President in '08.
Coz all the wishing in the world aint gonna make Tancredo or Geo Allen viable nationwide, no matter how congenial they may seem to the "I hate Rudy no matter what" crowd.
Then they wouldn't be "wingers."
If Rudy wins the nomination, which at this point I think he will, FR will become an intolerable (and irrelevant) place to be.
McCain/Rudy
GAG! I'd have an easier time with Rudy/KermitTheFrog.
There's s o m e t h i n g really creepy about McCain.
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