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Ten Commandments stunner: Ten Commandments stunner: Feds lying at Supreme Court
worldnetdaily.com ^ | November 14, 2006 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 11/13/2006 10:57:02 PM PST by B4Ranch

FAITH UNDER FIRE
Ten Commandments stunner:
Feds lying at Supreme Court
Government tells modern visitors
it's Bill of Rights being honored

Every argument before the U.S. Supreme Court and every opinion the judges deliver comes in the presence of the Ten Commandments, God's law given to Moses on a fire-scorched mountain, and now represented for the United States in the very artwork embedded in the high court structure.

In today's world of revisionist history, the proof comes through the work of a California pastor who visited the Supreme Court building recently when he was in Washington and was surprised that what the tour guides were telling him wasn't the same thing as what he was seeing.

Todd DuBord, pastor of the Lake Almanor Community Church in California, said he was traveling with his wife, Tracy, and was more than startled during recent visits to the courthouse and two other historic locations to discover that the stories of the nation's heritage had been sterilized of Christian references.

His entire research compilation is available online.

"Having done some research (before the trip), I absolutely was not expecting to hear those remarks," which, he told WND, simply "denied history."

So he's written to the Supreme Court, and several other groups, asking them to restore the historic Christian influences to their information, and he's documented his research to explain to those interested what the history is and how it's been subverted.

"I would like to see the record rectified and the proper Christian and Judeo-Christian depictions taught in these places," he told WND.

He was most disturbed by what appears to be revisionism in the presentations given to visitors at the Supreme Court. There, he said, his tour guide was describing the marble frieze directly above the justices' bench.

"Between the images of the people depicting the Majesty of the Law and Power of Government, there is a tablet with ten Roman numerals, the first five down the left side and the last five down the right. This tablet represents the first ten amendments of the Bill of Rights," she said.

The ten what? was DuBord's thought.

Unwilling to be confrontational, he went home and started some research.

One official Supreme Court document, he found, cited a letter from sculptor Adolph A. Weinman that said the "pylon" carved with Roman numerals I to X "symbolizes the first ten amendments to the Constitution." But the letter was anomalous; it didn't have a number of certifying marks that were typical of others.

So he continued looking and after calling in some assistance in his hunt for evidence, he found a 1975 official U.S. Supreme Court Handbook, prepared under the direction of Mark Cannon, administrative assistant to the chief justice. It said, "Directly above the Bench are two central figures, depicting Majesty of the Law and Power of Government. Between them is a tableau of the Ten Commandments…"

Further research produced information that in 1987 the building was designated a National Historic Landmark, and came under control of the U.S. Department of the Interior, and under the new management the handbook was rewritten in 1988. The Ten Commandments reference was left out of that edition, and nothing replaced it.

The next reference found said only the frieze "symbolizes early written laws" and then in 1999, the reference first appeared to that depiction being the "Ten Amendments to the Bill of Rights."

"The more I got into it (his research), the more I saw Christianity had been abandoned from history," he told WND.

When he asked, his recent tour guide denied there were any Ten Commandments representations in the Supreme Court building, he said.

One who was not surprised by the circumstances, however, was Judge Roy Moore, a WND columnist and the former chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court. He was removed from office on a federal judge's order because he refused to remove a depiction of the Ten Commandments from the Alabama courthouse.

"They've distorted history to come up with their own version of things," he told WND. What such changes do, he said, "is divorce ourselves from an understanding of where our rights come from."

Without rights coming from God, he noted, government "assumes control over everything, including what you think."

"Why would they say the Ten Commandments weren't there? They had to come up with something. I could see the progressive disappearance of the word 'commandment' from their literature," said DuBord.

He had just returned from a trip to Turkey, where ancient Ephesus is.

"The tour guide was Muslim, and went on to say, with all respect to all of you, I need to say something to you about the Apostle Paul. ... And he went into an apologetic of Paul's teachings."

"He told us, 'These things happened here,'" DuBord said.

But then to return to the U.S. and find Christianity edited from history left him almost speechless.

"I thought, we started as a Christian nation, and we can't even get this here."

DeBord also noted that during his research of the "Weinman letter," he found another memorial in Washington, "The Oscar Solomon Memorial," noting the accomplishments of the first Jew to serve in a president's cabinet. It's on 14th Street between Pennsylvania and Constitution avenues.

It also was designed by Weinman, and like the Supreme Court image, depicts a human figure leaning on the same table with Roman numerals just as the East Wall Frieze.

But this time, an artist's letter confirms the tablets represent the Ten Commandments.

"Would Weinman have sculpted two identical tablets, in the same city, each with the Roman numerals I through V on one side and VI through X on the other, but with totally different identities?" DuBord wondered. "It seems very unlikely."

The current information office at the Supreme Court declined to talk on the record with WND when asked about Ten Commandments representations on the building, referring questioners to the website.

There, a document does indicate "Moses" is one of various lawgivers portrayed in the friezes, but the site doesn't mention "Ten Commandments." It does mention the "Ten Amendments."

DuBord said he knew of other representations, such as the lower part of the inside of each of the oak doors where people enter the inner Court Chamber, where two tablets carry Roman numerals I-V and VI-X.

But DuBord's tour guide said those – too – were the Ten Amendments.

He then asked, "If there are no other depictions of Moses or the Ten Commandments on the building except on the South Wall Frieze in the U.S. Supreme Court, then what about on the east side of the building where Moses is the central figure among others, holding both tablets of the Ten Commandments, one in each arm?"

"Her response shocked me as much as the guide inside the Court chamber. 'There is no depiction of Moses and the Ten Commandments like that on the U.S. Supreme Court,'" DuBord said he was told.

He asked if there were any pictures of the representation, and she pulled one out.

"Her eyes widened in surprise. There was Moses in photo and description as the central figure, holding the Ten Commandments (tablets), one in each hand," DuBord wrote.

Although there are six depictions of Moses and-or the Ten Commandments at the Supreme Court, the tour guides had been trained to admit to only the one on Moses, he said.

One doesn't have to be Christian, or endorse Christianity, to recognize its influence in history, he said.

"I am … respectfully requesting that the complete educational history regarding the depictions of Moses and The Ten Commandments be rediscovered and retaught to U.S. Supreme Court guides and to the public in the U.S. Supreme Court Building," he suggested in a letter to the court.

DuBord grew up without religion, but during seven years of academic study at Bethany University and Fuller Theological Seminary accepted that the claims of Christianity are true.

He's served in various prison, drug and alcohol rehab ministries and worked as a youth pastor and associate pastor before assuming his duties in Lake Almanor.

His messages can be downloaded at www.iTunes.com, by typing in "almanor" or "dubord."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: christianity; christophobia; church; erasinghistory; erasure; headinsand; jesus; moralabsolutes; revisionism; roymoore; scotus; seperation; tencommandments; theophobia
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Christians: Have you ever thought that Christianity had been removed from our government? This article is IMO solid proof that something evil is taking place in America and it is porn on the Internet!

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1 posted on 11/13/2006 10:57:04 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Jackie222; yoe; Iowa Granny; Brad's Gramma; glock rocks; RaceBannon; truth_seeker; Czar; ...
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This article is IMO solid proof that something evil is taking place in America and this is NOT porn on the Internet!

2 posted on 11/13/2006 11:04:22 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: B4Ranch

Godless Liberalism permeates every fabric of our society now... it will take an act of God to reverse the tide.


3 posted on 11/13/2006 11:07:21 PM PST by Cinnamon
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To: B4Ranch

Newsflash: Moses was not a Christian.

AMENDMENT I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

10 Commandments don't exactly jive with the Bill of Rights, guess which the Supreme Court is charged with upholding...


4 posted on 11/13/2006 11:17:19 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: B4Ranch

I've been watching the history channels over the last few years. Everyone is given credit for our founding except our founding fathers and all principles are either attributed to native American influences or some other equally problematic source.

I don't deny that some of our found principles may have touched on native American influences, but I do not see those as the major driving force. One historic program I witnessed in the last 48 hours stated that much of our founding principles were derived from the Indians.

There is a epidemic of revisionist efforts these days. I don't think we dismiss what they are doing lightly withour severe repercussions.

It appears to me, that any European or Biblical influences on our founding, is being systematically rewritten out. The evil white man syndrome seems to be a very popular view these days.


5 posted on 11/13/2006 11:17:28 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: B4Ranch
I'm an evangelical. But I really don't think this stuff is worth the effort given to it. This guy spent weeks research ing this subject.

Christianity is the fastest growing religion in the world and it's the hardcores that comprise most of the growth. We don't need the sponsorship of the state. All we need to do is follow the Great Commission.

Indeed, Christianity is growing fastest in nations where it is persecuted, like China. The fervor and growth there is astonishing--estimates are that there are now more than 80 million Chinese Christians. As fast as the authorities can bulldoze the house churches and arrest the leaders, they move the Church and new leaders arise. The group our Church has sponsored there now tell us that they don't need our help anymore--they are self-sustaining. In fact, they are planning on sending missionaries to Europe in the next few years.

We have also sponsored (in part) the translation of the Bible into an obscure indigenous language in Guatamala. Every year, we send a team of our adult engineers and teens into remote villages there and install clean water systems and share the Gospel. It works.

I personally believe that one of the worst things that ever happend to Christianity was it being adopted as the official state religion of the Roman Empire. Wealth and power make us lazy, corrupt, and Laeodician.

I guess what I'm saying is it really doesn't matter what the the tour guide says the Roman Numerals in the Supreme Court building stand for. Teach your children well and leave the rest up to God. Don't depend on the State to do it. Governments are inherently corrupt and corrupting and trying to make them the instrument of God is a lost cause before it even starts.

6 posted on 11/13/2006 11:25:09 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Gunslingr3

Denying that the artwork embedded within the Supreme Court building doesn't have Christian backgrounds is straight out and out lying.

Each session of Congress started with a prayer. They aren't trying to establish a religion, they are exercising their right to ask for Christs guidance in their daily work.


7 posted on 11/13/2006 11:25:48 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: B4Ranch
This article is IMO solid proof that something evil is taking place in America ...

Around 1981 a friend showed me the anti-gun agenda and began my interest in politics. That was proof enough for me. Things have certainly gotten worse though.

I'm not a Christian but I find this purging of God and Christianity from America disturbing and repugnant. The evil is fanaticism and its form, in this case, is secular progessivism. (Formerly known as Marxist communism.)

To read a fair-to-middling exegesis on fanaticism see my profile page. It is designed to reveal the causal mindset of fanaticism and make it possible to identify it in any form great or small. I am hoping that understanding its cause will help us defeat it.

8 posted on 11/13/2006 11:26:53 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: DoughtyOne

>>We don't need the sponsorship of the state.<<

I'm not saying we do but why should we allow our own government to dent its roots

>>It appears to me, that any European or Biblical influences on our founding, is being systematically rewritten out.<<

That is our culture that they are wiping away. Just what do you consider is something worth fighting for?


9 posted on 11/13/2006 11:30:33 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: B4Ranch
Denying that the artwork embedded within the Supreme Court building doesn't have Christian backgrounds is straight out and out lying.

Moses was a Jew, not a Christian.

The Supreme Court building was created in the early 30's, and the artwork indeed contains the 10 commandments and Moses. It is a tribute to historical law givers, not a nod to religious roots. It'd probably chap your ass to know they included Mohammed.

"Courtroom friezes - the South Wall Frieze includes figures of lawgivers from the B.C.E. times, and includes Menes, Hammurabi, Moses, Solomon, Lycurgus, Solon, and Draco.

The North Wall Frieze shows lawgivers from the Anno Domini era and includes representations of Justinian, Muhammad, Charlemange, King John, Louis IX, Hugo Grotius, Sir William Blackstone, John Marshall, and Napoleon."

The histrionics from WND are really silly...

10 posted on 11/13/2006 11:33:37 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: ModelBreaker

I can't speak for B4ranch but I didn't see in his posts that he was worried for Christianity. At least not in particular. I'm amazed that you seem to have no concern for the complete rewriting of American history. Every religion, in fact every liberty of any kind, is at stake. America is what is being attacked here. But perhaps you hold our republic in as much contempt as any form of government!?! Your post gives that impression.


11 posted on 11/13/2006 11:38:09 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: Gunslingr3
10 Commandments don't exactly jive with the Bill of Rights, guess which the Supreme Court is charged with upholding...

May be, but ALL laws in our country stem from those first Ten Commandments. Those who designed the Supreme Court building acknowledged that connection. I guess in this era of not wanting to offend anyone, the recent stewards of the building didn't want any religious references at all, which is quite silly.

12 posted on 11/13/2006 11:42:39 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: TigersEye

Thank you. What I see is our government preparing society for a godless communistic society. I'll be dead when it finally happens but my children won't unless they die fighting for freedom and liberty.


13 posted on 11/13/2006 11:44:01 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: Gunslingr3
Moses was a Jew, not a Christian.

Unless you're prepared to declare that Moses and the ten commandments is irrelevant to Christianity you're splitting hairs. In addition if all the figures in the SC friezes are equal in import why are the rest still recognized for what they are yet Moses has been reduced to a non-entities and his tablets have been morphed into the Bill of Rights? Just a random defilement of history is it?

14 posted on 11/13/2006 11:44:41 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: B4Ranch

I never wanted any children but I regret now that I have none to stand by yours. I expect I'll also be gone before 'it's time.'


15 posted on 11/13/2006 11:47:19 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: Gunslingr3

No, what chaps my ass is American who refuse to fight for America and the roots upon which our country was established.

Most men and nations die lying down. I see you have already assumed the position.


16 posted on 11/13/2006 11:48:31 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: SuziQ
May be, but ALL laws in our country stem from those first Ten Commandments.

If ALL laws in our country stem from the 10 commandments can you rectify the incongruency of freedom of religion in the Bill of Rights and the commandments expressly forbidding religious freedom?

17 posted on 11/13/2006 11:50:28 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: B4Ranch
What I see is our government preparing society for a godless communistic society.

I guess I don't look to the government for instruction about god, maybe that's why I'm not as confused. With respect to advancing communism, one needs to look no farther than the expansion of federal entitlements by those who call themselves "compassionate conservatives". Communism isn't a tourist guide's spiel at the Supreme Court, it's the government seizing and distributing more and more of what the people in this nation produce. That's coming at you from the White House and the Congress, not the federal parks service.

18 posted on 11/13/2006 11:53:47 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3

You're not confused? Who said anything about the government giving or not giving instruction on God? I don't see it in the article and I don't see it in any post here.


19 posted on 11/13/2006 11:59:40 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: TigersEye
Unless you're prepared to declare that Moses and the ten commandments is irrelevant to Christianity you're splitting hairs.

No, I'm declaring that Christianity is irrelevant to the display of historical lawgivers viewable inside the Supreme Court. It's an absurd leap to look at a freize of a dozen historical lawmakers, point to the Jewish leader (whilst ignoring the founder of Islam and others who worshipped different gods), and say it's evidence of Christian roots in our nation's founding. Especially when the whole damn thing was conceived and created in the 1930's

20 posted on 11/14/2006 12:06:36 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3

"I guess I don't look to the government for instruction about god, maybe that's why I'm not as confused."

Oh, you're confused, nobody is looking to the gov't for instruction about God.


21 posted on 11/14/2006 12:15:23 AM PST by Vinny (You can't compromise with evil.)
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To: TigersEye
Who said anything about the government giving or not giving instruction on God?

Post #13:"What I see is our government preparing society for a godless communistic society."

He addressed the post to you, I refuse to believe you're that dense, so maybe you just missed it.

22 posted on 11/14/2006 12:19:40 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
The problem that has been posited is the destruction of American history. The question is why is that the only figure affected by revisionist history?

It is absurd to take the current event of revisionism and argue its relevance on the basis of when the friezes were made or how they were conceived. That is no more relevant to why Moses is being excised now than why he was included in the '30s is to the founding father's personal religious convictions. Which was overwhelmingly Christian.

It is also absurd to isolate this situation from the dozens of other incidents of attempts to excise Christianity from American history and government institutions and then claim that it's too thin of an argument to show Christian roots in our founding. A strawman too since no one has made that claim.

I don't see anyone trying to hold out the SC frieze and other artworks there as proof of Christian roots in American government. That is a fact that has far greater proofs. It's just another strawman you have put up in order to knock down and claim victory. Try rebutting what has really been said here.

23 posted on 11/14/2006 12:27:51 AM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: Gunslingr3
10 Commandments don't exactly jive with the Bill of Rights, guess which the Supreme Court is charged with upholding...

There's a depiction of Mohammad holding the Koran (shown above) in that same frieze that depicts Moses holding something. Why would it not be a violation of the Bill of Rights to admit that Mohammad is holding the Koran, but it would be a violation to admit that it depicts Moses holding the 10 Commandments?

24 posted on 11/14/2006 12:29:46 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Gunslingr3
TE: Who said anything about the government giving or not giving instruction on God?

B4Ranch: Post #13:"What I see is our government preparing society for a godless communistic society."

Gunslingr3: He addressed the post to you, I refuse to believe you're that dense, so maybe you just missed it.

Uhm, you haven't made a point here. Your ad hominem hasn't gone unnoticed either. If you can't address the substance of anyone's posts, you can't follow simple logic and you can't resist getting personal then I'm done with you. I have no time for idiots.

25 posted on 11/14/2006 12:32:21 AM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: FreedomCalls
Why would it not be a violation of the Bill of Rights to admit that Mohammad is holding the Koran, but it would be a violation to admit that it depicts Moses holding the 10 Commandments?

I don't think it is. You missed the point. See post #17

26 posted on 11/14/2006 12:33:30 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Howlin; neverdem; xsmommy; patton; VRWCmember; secret garden
Sobering!

Xsmommy or Patton > Can either of you confirm what this guy's written?
27 posted on 11/14/2006 12:51:19 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: TigersEye
Uhm, you haven't made a point here.

Alright, you obviously need more hand holding to reach the point than I realized.

TE: Who said anything about the government giving or not giving instruction on God?

B4Ranch: Post #13:"What I see is our government preparing society for a godless communistic society."

Do you understand the meaning of the verb 'prepare'? If one believes that 'government [is] preparing society for godless communistic society' that person believes 'the government [is] giving or not giving instruction on god'.

I don't consider it the role of the government to advocate religion itself, or in particular. The 1st amendment was proffered and ratified to protect the rights of individuals against that very influence.

The artistic homage to history's lawgivers in the Supreme Court is just that. Efforts to percieve it as a slight to Christians is just puling, and unbecoming. Trying to expand it into some kind of re-education of the masses in preparation for 'godless communism' is, literally, hysterical.

g'night.

28 posted on 11/14/2006 12:53:46 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3

"If ALL laws in our country stem from the 10 commandments can you rectify the incongruency of freedom of religion in the Bill of Rights and the commandments expressly forbidding religious freedom?"

The Freedom of Religion clause was a compromise so that none of the sects of Christianity would fear that one sect would dominate the national scene. It guaranteed religious freedom.

In regards to the first commandment of the Decalogue, that you should have "no gods beside Me", it was self-evident at the time of the 1st Ammendment that Christianity was the religion that proclaimed the character of the one true God.
(Try reading De Tocqueville)

There was no incongruency between the 1st Am. and the 1st Commandment at that time.

Islam, Judaism, Wican, Hinduism, Buddism, etc. had no influence or a very neglible one if at all during that time.

There just happens to be a problem today but not yesterday.


29 posted on 11/14/2006 12:55:22 AM PST by Vinny (You can't compromise with evil.)
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To: Gunslingr3

"Do you understand the meaning of the verb 'prepare'? If one believes that 'government [is] preparing society for godless communistic society' that person believes 'the government [is] giving or not giving instruction on god'."

Not necessarily so, there are many ways to "prepare". It could mean the gov't is simply ignoring God, neither giving or not giving instruction about God.

Communism took an active role in trying to stomp out any knowledge of God, now it appears they are taking a subtle, dishonest and cowardly approach by simply refusing to acknowledge or mention Him.


30 posted on 11/14/2006 1:05:12 AM PST by Vinny (You can't compromise with evil.)
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To: FreedomCalls
There's a depiction of Mohammad holding the Koran (shown above) in that same frieze

Allahu fubar! Now you have done it.

Durka-durka, JIHAD!

F'n Infidels have a DEPICTION of Prophet Mohammad (Pustulent Bacon Upon Him) on their Satanic Court Building!

Riot! Burn! Loot! Shoot guns in the air!

Scream, "I'm a victim," at the press, while waving a Koran!

Call Green Helmet Guy! Photoshop pictures for Reuters!

31 posted on 11/14/2006 1:08:46 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Gunslingr3
...."Moses was a Jew, not a Christian."......

Moses was a Christian of Jewish decent. He believed a redeemer would come. The shedding of blood for sin started in Eden when God skinned animals to cover the sins of Adam and Eve. To get to heaven, you must believe you have been redeemed by the blood of God. The animal sacrifice from the Jews was to symbolize their Redeemer's blood. The act of cutting the animals throat did nothing. It is your faith that saves you, not the time period you were born. That is why Moses was there at the Transfiguration. You were saved in the OT just like in the New Testament, by faith. The Jews for Jesus is an example today. They prefer to be called "believers". They simply "believe" the scriptures. Non believers are condemned whether Jew or Gentile.

Moses had witnessed the first Passover with the death angel and received the Law at Pentecost. Today's Christians are Jews. We have been "grafted in" or adopted into God's family. That is why it is ridiculous for a "Christian" to hate Jews. They are one. When the Bible states "All Israel will be saved.", it isn't talking about Larry King and his ilk. It is speaking of "believers".

32 posted on 11/14/2006 1:14:13 AM PST by chuckles
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I'll include this with the next batch. Incredible!


33 posted on 11/14/2006 1:21:43 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Cinnamon
Godless Liberalism Marxism permeates every fabric of our society now... it will take an act of God to reverse the tide.

Closer to the truth.
34 posted on 11/14/2006 1:36:01 AM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Gunslingr3
If one believes that 'government [is] preparing society for godless communistic society' that person believes 'the government [is] giving or not giving instruction on god'.

If you cut from whole cloth you could read it that way. It doesn't say that to the literate among us it says that we're being prepared for communism which does not tolerate any religion. No instruction or non-instruction allowed.

I don't consider it the role of the government to advocate religion itself, or in particular. The 1st amendment was proffered and ratified to protect the rights of individuals against that very influence.

Most intelligent people consider it a guarantee that government won't ban religion either.

The artistic homage to history's lawgivers in the Supreme Court is just that.

Duh. For about the third time I will note that no one has said otherwise.

Efforts to percieve it as a slight to Christians is just puling, and unbecoming.

Efforts to give the impression that anyone has put forth that POV here are just lies or stupidity.

Trying to expand it into some kind of re-education of the masses in preparation for 'godless communism' is, literally, hysterical.

Yeah, morons say things like that...

Gunslingr3: "With respect to advancing communism, one needs to look no farther than the expansion of federal entitlements by those who call themselves "compassionate conservatives". Communism isn't a tourist guide's spiel at the Supreme Court, it's the government seizing and distributing more and more of what the people in this nation produce. That's coming at you from the White House and the Congress, ..."

I get your drift. "Don't bother me with your petty liberties lost just keep your hands off of my money."

I will bang my head against the brick wall of your intellect one more time and say again, for about the third or fourth time, that the erasure of American history is the problem and America is the target of attack. Let me elucidate that so that even a mental midget won't misunderstand. The specific target of religion (which has obviously been targeted) is just one aspect of the overall attack on individual liberties ALL of which are antithetical (that means in opposition to) communism which is clearly the ideology being advanced in steps by the left and (unfortunately) aided by some on the right.

FWIW your pathetic attempts at ad hominem are puling and unbecoming. Note how much cleverer I am at it and how I weave it into sound logical contructs that lead to real conclusions. That's because I set it all on sound premises and make sharp observations about what the essential subject really is. Pay attention, jerkoff, you might learn something about insulting if nothing else. ; )

35 posted on 11/14/2006 1:40:20 AM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: Gunslingr3

"Before Abraham was, I AM."


36 posted on 11/14/2006 2:08:55 AM PST by Twinkie (GET BUSY, NANCY . . AL QAEDA IS EXPECTING A LOT FROM YOU!!)
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To: B4Ranch
“Laus Deo….Praise be to God!” - received this via email today. Lots of info therein on Christian symbolism, influence, and texts in our nation's capital.
37 posted on 11/14/2006 2:37:01 AM PST by .30Carbine (Blessed are the overcomers)
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To: ModelBreaker

AMEN BROTHER!!

Recent election results have broken me of the notion that politics is any substitute for the salvation of society. Indeed, the worse government becomes the stronger people of The Way of Jesus become.
Bring it on, Pelosi. Government must be experienced for the evil that it is.


38 posted on 11/14/2006 3:02:11 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: B4Ranch

What difference does it make if its the Ten Commandments or the Bill of Rights? Our government is effacing both.


39 posted on 11/14/2006 4:18:57 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Gunslingr3

The disturbing aspect of this whole incident is the rewriting of history. (shades of 1984 or airbrushed photos of Stalin omitting an official who fell out of favor.) Of course Moses was holding the first ten amendments to the constitution. If you look closely you will see that he is not holding tablets but two lap tops. That makes sense. People on the left are so clever. These things were common B.C.E. That's Before the Common Era, a dating system which replaces B.C. (Before Christ), it maintains the same start date (the birth of the baby Jesus, our Lord and Savior). Excuse me for using Arabic numerals in the title above. I try to use Roman numerals when possible because I don't want to offend anyone who is offended by Arabic numerals.


40 posted on 11/14/2006 4:30:37 AM PST by Vehmgericht
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To: B4Ranch
Isn't it ironic that in order to sanitize Judeo-Christianity from our history, they take the one historic representation of it on the frieze and claim that they are the "Ten Amendments". In retrospect though, it is too bad that the Ten Amendments had not been etched into stone, because then the subsequent "bend the words as far as possible" officeholders would not have had such an easy time rewriting them as they interpreted them to mean just about anything they have wanted.

But then again, look at who they have morphed Moses into on the frieze --- one of our founding fathers?????? So who is carrying those Tablets of the Ten Amendments: James Madison? T. Jefferson? G. Washington? I got it. Stonewall Jackson? It is pure lunacy and these people who rule us from there want to be taken seriously??????

41 posted on 11/14/2006 4:40:58 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: .30Carbine

That Washington Monument looks a lot like that same monument to Peter that sits right in the middle of the Vatican Circle in Rome. Do you think there might be some semblance of meaning here or just coincidence????


42 posted on 11/14/2006 4:45:59 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: FreedomCalls; xsmommy; neverdem

Funny.

Moses was NOT holding a sword while he held the Ten Commandments. (Er, amendments.)

So, why is only Mohammad depicted with a sword?


43 posted on 11/14/2006 4:59:51 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: ModelBreaker
"Christianity is the fastest growing religion in the world "

I do hope this is correct. I have read assertions that it is Islam that is the fastest growing religion.

Carolyn

44 posted on 11/14/2006 5:09:42 AM PST by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Cinnamon

It will take an act of God. And that my friends will happen at some point, whether we will still be called America or not is another question.


45 posted on 11/14/2006 5:20:03 AM PST by buck61
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To: B4Ranch

If those are the 10 Amendments - who's the guy holding them? This isn't even PC run amok, just more work by the anti-Christian devil brigade.


46 posted on 11/14/2006 5:29:42 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Never toured the court. I think I might, now.


47 posted on 11/14/2006 5:35:00 AM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: TigersEye
Unless you're prepared to declare that Moses and the ten commandments is irrelevant to Christianity you're splitting hairs. In addition if all the figures in the SC friezes are equal in import why are the rest still recognized for what they are yet Moses has been reduced to a non-entities and his tablets have been morphed into the Bill of Rights?

You're confused. Nobody's claiming that Moses's tablet contains the Bill of Rights. Moses with the 10 Commandments is depicted on the *South* Frieze, but the author's conspiracy theory concerns the East Frieze. The east frieze has various allegorical figures representing stuff like Justice and Wisdom and Defense of Human Rights. In the center of the frieze are male figures representing "Majesty of Law" and "Power of Government". On the ground between those two figures is a large tablet which the sculptor says represents the Bill of Rights. *That's* the tablet the author is writing about, *not* Moses's tablet. Moses is not on the East Frieze at all.

48 posted on 11/14/2006 6:19:48 AM PST by Sandy
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To: B4Ranch

I'm a bit confused with regard to the first comment. I don't believe I stated anything that would imply that I wanted state sponsorship. I don't believe we should allow revisionist efforts to basicly downgrade the legitimacy of our nation's founding principles.

I agree that this is our culture. I do believe it's worth fighting for.


49 posted on 11/14/2006 6:32:32 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: Gunslingr3

Yes, Moses was a Jew, but it's undeniable that many of the Jewish tenets were brought over into Christianity. Jesus' admonition that the deciples go out and spread the good word to non-jews was the figurative birth of Christianity.

The Ten Commandments are very important to Christianity. Therefore I think the case you're making regarding Moses being a Jew is somewhat lost on the overall topic.

Would you agree?


50 posted on 11/14/2006 6:35:20 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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