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To: steve-b
There's going to have to be a fusion of social conservatism and libertarian conservatism. Until that happens, we are dead in the water.

Libertarians need to learn to live with the fact that we aren't going to abide on demand abortion, euthanasia, and embryonic stem cell research. I hear libertarians talking about individual rights, but as long as they think that letting a man starve his infirm wife to death for the insurance money is OK, they are NOT serious about individual rights. We at least think the states should make their own laws about marriage.

Social conservatives are going to have to forget this instinctive 'law and order' and big govt tendencies we have. We don't go around asking the government for its permission; it's supposed to ask ours. Media censorship is a loser of an issue and it needs to be discarded and forgotten as quickly as possible. Excessive tobacco and other vice taxes are not interpreted as efforts to get people to quit smoking, but as efforts to butt into people's personal lives (which it is). Govt charity and education spending are also big losers. Social cons need to actually read the Constitution and then learn and understand the significance of the fact that that same Constitution doesn't detail the full extent of the people's rights; it details the full extent of the government's granted privileges.
29 posted on 11/15/2006 6:28:14 AM PST by JamesP81 (Rights must be enforced; rights that you're not allowed to enforce are rights that you don't have.)
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To: JamesP81
Libertarians need to learn to live with the fact that we aren't going to abide on demand abortion, euthanasia, and embryonic stem cell research.

Libertarians don't support these anyway, so your point is moot.

136 posted on 11/18/2006 10:03:20 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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