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Giuliani 'Unacceptable' for President, Conservatives Say
CNSNews ^ | November 15, 2006 | Randy Hall

Posted on 11/15/2006 7:30:55 AM PST by 300magnum

Former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani enjoys "a lot of good will" from Republicans from his handling of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, but his stance on social issues like abortion and gun control make him an unacceptable candidate in the 2008 presidential election, according to conservative analysts.

Giuliani, who announced Monday that he has filed papers to form an exploratory committee as the first step towards a White House run, is "absolutely unacceptable under any circumstances" as a presidential candidate, Colleen Parro, executive director of the Republican National Coalition for Life, told Cybercast News Service.

"The core values of the Republican Party with respect to life issues -- which is where our main concern is -- and the issues of the homosexual movement, etc., cause his candidacy for the nomination to just be dead in the water," she said.

Giuliani has described himself as "pro-choice" and said he would not support a ban on partial-birth abortions. He promoted gun control programs and civil unions for same-sex partners during his two terms as New York City mayor.

While serving in that post, Giuliani saw his private life become a regular subject of media scrutiny, especially in 2000, when he announced at a press conference that he was seeking a separation from his second wife without first telling her of his decision.

"Despite Giuliani's charm and his obvious leadership abilities, as far as social and cultural issues are concerned, not only his personal life but his public views make him unacceptable," Parro said.

Supporters of a Giuliani bid launched a group a year ago called Draft Rudy Giuliani for President.

Co-founder Nicholas Tyszka said in a statement this week that, "with the current climate [of divisiveness] in Washington," Giuliani would be an excellent nominee, as "he has such a broad base of appeal, even cutting across political lines."

The group, whose other co-founder is veteran Republican political consultant Allen Fore, said that "America needs and wants this great man to lead our nation."

"Named Time Magazine's 'Person of the Year' in 2001, Rudy Giuliani has been a proven leader during one of the toughest periods in American history," the organization's website states.

"Giuliani exemplifies leadership, courage and compassion," it says. "Rudy Giuliani has dedicated his professional life to serving the United States, including assistant attorney general in the U.S. Justice Department under President Reagan and as the crime-fighting U.S. attorney in the state of New York.

"He has an unrivaled record of honesty and integrity, always putting the people's interest above politics," the website continues. "His service as mayor of New York City, particularly after the devastating terrorist attacks against our country on September 11, 2001, made him America's mayor. Now it's time to make him America's president."

Although forming an exploratory committee does not guarantee that an individual will run for president, Giuliani's announcement Monday drew a quick response from the Democratic National Committee:

"It's unclear whether or not Rudy Giuliani will be able to just 'explain away' the fact that he's consistently taken positions that are completely opposite to the conservative Republican base on issues they hold near and dear," said DNC Communications Director Karen Finney in a press statement.

"Throughout his career, Giuliani has tried to paint himself as a moderate, but now that he's vying for his party's nomination, will he undergo an extreme makeover in an attempt to cozy up to the far right?" Finney asked.

The DNC also issued a speedy response after Sen. John McCain made a similar announcement on Sunday.

Brian Darling, director of Senate relations for the conservative Heritage Foundation, told Cybercast News Service that "it's going to be virtually impossible for Giuliani to woo voters who put the Second Amendment and family values as their top issues."

However, Giuliani "clearly has a lot of good will with Republicans, and his goal should be to shore up his conservative credentials on the issues of federal spending and anti-terrorism," Darling said.

Since he was mayor of New York City during 9/11, Giuliani "can trumpet anti-terrorism as one of his major policies. But he also needs to talk about limiting the federal government and restricting out-of-control federal spending so he can shore up support among conservatives who care about pocketbook issues," Darling said.

While acknowledging that Giuliani is "a presumptive front-runner" for the GOP presidential nomination in 2008, Darling said the former mayor is enjoying good poll numbers "merely because he has high name recognition."

Strong approval figures don't guarantee victories when the party's primaries begin, Darling noted.

"Just ask [early 2004 Democratic front-runner] Howard Dean about that," he said.


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To: Wombat101
Oh, I forgot; that pearl of Christian wisdom only applies to people the perpetually-panty-bunched actually like.

I can forgive the man for his mistakes; we've all made them. However, opposing our gun rights and supporting abortion on demand aren't mistakes; they're enemy action. As such, I won't be voting for him.
21 posted on 11/15/2006 7:42:02 AM PST by JamesP81 (Rights must be enforced; rights that you're not allowed to enforce are rights that you don't have.)
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To: DTogo

So the Religious Right doesn't like Rudy, doesn't like Mormon Romney, doesn't like McCain, doesn't like Newt.
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Religous Right?? Hardly. But we CONSERVATIVES like Newt. The rest are NOT conservatives. At the same time, I think most, like myself, will support WHOMEVER it takes to keep the Marxist Witch out of the White House...the impact of that is so ugly, it is beyond the nightmare stage.


22 posted on 11/15/2006 7:42:24 AM PST by EagleUSA (T)
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To: Wombat101
Well when Rudy acknowledges the 'sin' then forgiveness is what follows.

Some people demand the forgiveness without ever acknowledging that repentance is the primary requirement.
23 posted on 11/15/2006 7:43:35 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: DTogo

You forgot Hagel, who was right on Iraq (unlike the rest) and pro-free market/anti-tax (unlike the rest).


24 posted on 11/15/2006 7:44:59 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Miss Marple
Here's a choice for you.

Or


25 posted on 11/15/2006 7:45:04 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: arthurus

Lot's of great leaders have been womanizers, doesn't mean a thing.


26 posted on 11/15/2006 7:45:53 AM PST by jpsb
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To: 300magnum; All
---"clearly has a lot of good will with Republicans, and his goal should be to shore up his conservative credentials on the issues of federal spending and anti-terrorism,"---

Okay, for the last time:

Being strong on national defense and being fiscally responsible is basic REPUBLICANISM, not CONSERVATISM.

Conservatism is term descriptive of social/moral/cultural right-wingers, individuals, and voters. It applies to issues outside of the basic "social libertarian/fiscal restraint/states' rights" platform that is the basic blueprint for being a generic Republican.

Rudy has no Conservative credentials, none.

And HALLELUJAH for somebody finally saying Rudy is unacceptable, outside of the blogosphere folks like myself!!!! It's about damn time somebody point out his goodwill does not suddenly make him an acceptable candidate outside of NY.
27 posted on 11/15/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by TitansAFC ("Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.")
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To: arthurus

And I guess everyone who finds the "baggage" unacceptable is a perfect human being by comparison?

I have no illusions that the man cannot get a fair shake, and certainly will not get past the God, Guns and Gays coalition on the Right. I don't have a dog in this fight, in this regard.

However, it becomes more and more apparent on a daily basis that this party is ultimately doomed because it fails to accept new ideas and people, and insists on enforcing a strict morality in which people are rejected by a relative minority of thought.

You might not agree with Rudy's views, but does that mean we have to be deprived of hearing what he has to say? Most of what has been written thus far on the subject is aimed precisely at shutting him up before he "infects" the rest of the party.


28 posted on 11/15/2006 7:46:39 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: 300magnum

I like Rudy but we're going to need every vote in 2006 and I think Duncan Hunter will be the strongest candidate.


29 posted on 11/15/2006 7:46:44 AM PST by bushfamfan (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRES. 2008)
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To: 300magnum

Just like Reagan was unacceptable in 1980 because he was a divorced man.


30 posted on 11/15/2006 7:47:30 AM PST by medscribe
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To: Wombat101

How dare you talk logically???? Good post!


31 posted on 11/15/2006 7:47:35 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: areafiftyone

Sorry, Five-One. I am one of those people who is psychologically compelled to stop, point, and scream "HYPOCRITE!" at the top of his lungs.


32 posted on 11/15/2006 7:48:58 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: 300magnum

This conservative... has no problem with Rudy.

I would vote Rudy for President in a NY minute!


33 posted on 11/15/2006 7:49:08 AM PST by JFC
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To: EagleUSA

I agree. I believe it has litte or nothing to do with the "religious right". It is about conservatism and a candidate's willingness to support and defend the Constitution as required by oath of office. More gun control bs doesn't cut it in either regard.

Should conservatives be put in a position of having to vote for a liberal Republican to simply stop Hillary then the Pubbies will have a serious turnout problem.


34 posted on 11/15/2006 7:49:11 AM PST by KeyesPlease
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To: jpsb
Yeah, like Clinton. Womanizing is bad enough but divorce and redivorce is anathema to a LARGE segment of the Republican base and to most of the Conservative base.
35 posted on 11/15/2006 7:49:25 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: areafiftyone

The anti-Rudy people are out in force today ... Go Rudy!


36 posted on 11/15/2006 7:50:36 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Never Forget)
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To: Wombat101
:-)
37 posted on 11/15/2006 7:50:47 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: BunnySlippers

Ya think??? LOL


38 posted on 11/15/2006 7:51:04 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: 300magnum
If the headline is Giuliani 'Unacceptable' for President, Conservatives Say, then how come the article says: It's unclear whether or not Rudy Giuliani will be able to [ whatevr} " said DNC Communications Director ???

Couldn't they find someone JUST A TEENY BIT MORE CONSERVATIVE than a DNC flak?

39 posted on 11/15/2006 7:52:14 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Just mythoughts

"Well when Rudy acknowledges the 'sin' then forgiveness is what follows."

Well, then that's between Rudy and God (if she exists. Must be a she; a man wouldn't have made these kinds of mistakes when creating a world), and not YOUR business.

But then again, a "conservative" party that allowed GHW Bush to "flip-flop" from his pro-choice stand in order to become Reagan's VP, really can't talk about "standards", can it and not fall in for criticism, can it?


40 posted on 11/15/2006 7:52:18 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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