Posted on 11/15/2006 7:30:55 AM PST by 300magnum
---""I say fine - let them stay home. Then when President Hillary Rodham Clinton and her VP Bubba Clinton signs into law - HillaryCARE - I don't want to hear one peep out of them!"
How dare YOU apply logic, Five-One?"---
Ummm..
Didn't Rudy sign a Hillary-care style entitlement in NY?
Vote for who you like in the primary. But when the final vote is tallied we have to stick together.
There are too many here on FR who say that Hillary is preferable to Rudy. Get real!
"A Republic, if you can keep it..."
Evidently, we can't.
I have no problem with electing someone who has been divorced.
I am Russian Orthodox and we allow for divorce up to three times on the basis of humans being fallible creatures. Of course there are strict rules as to what constitutes an acceptable reason for a divorce but overall it is granted on a case by case basis and it is between the bishop and the couple seeking a divorce.
Not that I know of when he was mayor. Maybe Wacki Pataki did but never heard of it.
A. Vote for Rudy.
B. Vote for Hillary.
C. Don't vote, stay at home. (Improving Hillary's chances)
D. Hold my nose and vote for Rudy.
Sorry, D is the only logical choice for me.
OMG. What a flake!
Persoanlly, based on his past behavior, I would consider John McCain to be an unmitigated disaster in the making.
I base this upon a record of hypocrisy, that anyone can look up and peruse for themselves. McCain is absolutely HILLARIOUS when it comes to illegal immigration (he's played so fast and loose with his positions, it's SCARY), btw. We won't even get into CFR, the Gang of 14, and the anti-Catholic crap during the last presidential primaries.
My pet peeve on this subject though, is that there is a tendency to view politics through the lens of religious orthodoxy. This is what the Taliban does and what the Catholic Church of the middle Ages did. It's stunts the growthof a society because it automatically discounts individuals and discards ideas without giving them a fair and impartial hearing.
With regards to Rudy, there is a record of tax cutting, smaller government,law-and-order crime fighting, and a whole host of what would be laudible in a conservative of more religious stripe, but which goes unnoticed inthis man because of the fixation on his personal and the fact that he dressed in drag once.
We can disagree on abortion and gun control, but we shouldn't be ignoring everything else the man has to offer, or at least have to say.
No. You and the Rudy crowd are making it happen by trotting out Hillary Lite. One week after the elections and before any final and accurate analyzing of the election result causes out comes Rudy. On the majority of his positions there is no difference other than an R after his name. It is like having your choice of executioner. Either way you are dead.
"Hmmm, whatever happened to "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?" "
That's why we should have left Hitler alone.
Too farfetched, how about, that's why Foley should have been left alone.
God doesn't say we can't make moral decisions, only that we aren't the ones deciding who gets by the Pearly gates.
Dear Wombat101,
"Hmmm, whatever happened to 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?'"
I don't think that anyone is suggesting that we kill Mr. Giuliani by stoning him.
There's a difference between showing mercy to egregious sinners and electing them to the highest office in the land.
Those who follow Jesus are obligated to always forgive repentant sinners, no matter how terrible the sin, and to offer forgiveness to the unrepentant, in the hope of inspiring repentance. Jesus' followers aren't obligated to vote for them for President of the United States.
sitetest
too bad, powerful men attact women and nobody is perfect. Personally I am nore interested in advancing the conservative goal of preserving the nation and it's Constitution. And I don't give a damn about my leaders personal life as long as it is not criminal. I like Rudi and would vote for him in the general but not in a primary. Too liberal IMHO, good man but bad on issues important to me. Newt I like.
"I hope I shall possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man." - George Washington
Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the rest is in the hands of God." - George Washington
"Didn't Rudy sign a Hillary-care style entitlement in NY? "
Gee, didn't Rudy kick 250,000 off the welfare rolls? What's your point?
And I don't recall any "HIllary-care style" Health Care entitlement that Rudy signed. Are you sure you don't mean Cuomo? It's rare that the Mayor of New York City would be entursted to create that sort of regime, since that's typically the reserve of the State Assembly and Governor.
Gosh, it must have been some other site, but I could have sworn it was here, that when Clinton was having an affair in the White House people kept saying “character matters”. But I don’t see those posts about Rudy having an affair in Gracie Mansion, or going on television to tell his wife he was divorcing her. Maybe character only matters if it is a Democrat, or maybe Republicans are held to a lower standard.
I've done the "D" option more than I like myself.
Enjoy Hillary, you one issue voter.
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