Skip to comments.ARABIAN NIGHTMARES Iraq's Butchers Exploit Our Morality
Posted on 11/15/2006 12:44:36 PM PST by MaineVoter2002
YESTERDAY, 80 terrorists in police uniforms raided an Iraqi research institute in Baghdad, rounded up 100-plus male students, loaded them into vehicles in broad daylight and drove away.
They couldn't have pulled it off without the complicity of key elements within the Iraqi security services and the government: "our guys."...
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With Iraqi society decomposing - or, at best, reverting to a medieval state with cell phones - the debate in Washington over whether to try to save the day by deploying more troops or withdrawing some is of secondary relevance.
What really matters is what our forces are ordered - and permitted - to do. With political correctness permeating our government and even the upper echelons of the military, we never tried the one technique that has a solid track record of defeating insurgents if applied consistently: the rigorous imposition of public order.
That means killing the bad guys. Not winning their hearts and minds, placating them or bringing them into the government. Killing them.
If you're not willing to lay down a rule that any Iraqi or foreign terrorist masquerading as a security official or military member will be shot, you can't win. And that's just one example of the type of sternness this sort of fight requires.
With the situation in Iraq deteriorating daily, sending more troops would simply offer our enemies more targets - unless we decided to use our soldiers and Marines for the primary purpose for which they exist: To fight.
Of course, we've made a decisive shift in our behavior difficult. After empowering a sectarian regime before imposing order in the streets, we would have to defy an elected government. Leading voices in the Baghdad regime - starting with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki - would demand that we halt any serious effort to defeat Shia militias and eliminate their death squads.
Killing Sunni Arabs would be fine, of course. The Maliki government's reason for being is to promote Shia power.
Reportedly, our CentCom commander, Gen. George Abizaid, just had a "come to Jesus meeting" (metaphor fully intended) with Maliki, warning him that our continued support is contingent on the government moving to impose public order and protect all of Iraq's people. The result is predictable: A few law-enforcement gestures by daylight, some reshuffled government appointments - and more sectarian killing.
From the Iraqi perspective, we're of less and less relevance. They're sure we'll leave. And every faction is determined to do as much damage as possible to the other before we go. Our troops have become human shields for our enemies.
To master Iraq now - if it could be done - we'd have to fight every faction except the Kurds. Are we willing to do that? Are we willing to kill mass murderers and cold-blooded executioners on the spot?
If not, we can't win, no matter what else we do.
Arrest them? We've tried that. Iraq's judges are so partisan or so terrified (or both) that they release the worst thugs within weeks - sometimes within days.
How would you like to be one of Iraq's handful of relatively honest cops knowing that any terrorist or sectarian butcher you bust is going to be back on the block before your next payday? And yeah, they know where you live.
Our "humanity" is cowardice masquerading as morality. We're protecting self-appointed religious executioners with our emphasis on a "universal code of behavior" that only exists in our fantasies. By letting the thugs run the streets, we've abandoned the millions of Iraqis who really would prefer peaceful lives and a modicum of progress.
We're blind to the fundamental moral travesty in Iraq (and elsewhere): Spare the killers in the name of human rights, and you deprive the overwhelming majority of the population of their human rights. Instead of being proud of ourselves for our "moral superiority," we should be ashamed to the depths of our souls.
We're not really the enemy of the terrorists, militiamen and insurgents. We're their enablers. In the end, the future of Iraq will be determined by its people. The question is, which people?
Our naive version of wartime morality handed Iraq to the murderers. Will our excuse for a sectarian bloodbath be that we "behaved with restraint?"
Any code of ethics that squanders the lives of tens of thousands and the future of millions so we can "claim the moral high ground" is hypocrisy worthy of the Europeans who made excuses for the Holocaust.
If we want to give Iraq's silent - and terrified - majority a last chance, we would have to accept the world's condemnation for killing the killers. If we are unwilling to do that, Iraq's finished.
I tend to agree that killing them is the only option. They are inhuman, they need to be destroyed.
We sometimes forget other enemies are watching how we fight. It's no wonder Iran and North Korea have become quite brave lately.
Cool! So just point out which ones need killin' and which ones are innocent civilians and we're all set.
Well, when you arrest the ones who are doing the killing, just shoot them instead of taking them in so they can be released. Or better yet, just turn them over to the Iraqi troops that you know are loyal.
It rests in the hands of the POTUS. I wish I knew what his thoughts on the matter are.
War is Hell. Always has been. We either let our troops kill the bad guy or we should do them a big favor and let them come home.
"Cool! So just point out which ones need killin' and which ones are innocent civilians and we're all set."
All the ones you can see. The rest are innocent civilians.
Of course. But how do you separate the bad guys from the good guys when you are an occupying force?
Only a less civilized America can survive.
I would consider al-Sadr to be one of the bad ones. But that's just me, I guess.
Somehow I doubt that a general extermination order will be forthcoming. Sorry.
These are U.S soldiers, not the Einsatzgruppen.
Gotta kill the badguys - and it's long past time we started. It won't be squeaky clean either, as distinguishing between who needs killing and who doesn't won't be easy and we won't have the luxury of spending too much time deciding.
Or better yet, just turn them over to the Iraqi troops that you know are loyal.
That's the problem...we don;t know who they are. It seems that most of them place loyalty to militia above loyalty to government anyway.
Ol' Mooqie should be Number One on the Hit List! If he just happens to stop a bullet.... oh well!
"Somehow I doubt that a general extermination order will be forthcoming. Sorry."
Of course, you're right. But if it were to happen, I'm not sure I'd lose sleep over it. Sorry.
Are nuclear weapons a general extermination order?
When it comes to bad guys, he's one of the absolute worst.
And he is encouraged by the Democrats' support of him and his ilk with all their stupid cut-and-run talk. He can smell victory when he hears idiots like Levin and Kucinich running their mouths and sees CNN jumping up and down to get their comments broadcast out to the world.
Are nuclear weapons a general extermination order?
Easy for you to say. Thank goodness you are not empowered to give orders.
Just like the VC. A shame.
Yes they do. If they're Peshmerga, they can be trusted.
We can't teach the savage how to be a gentleman if he won't listen. And even their religious leaders aren't helping with the transition to gentlemen.
So what's left for us?
Ralph is right.Too bad he often disses the USAF.
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Just like America's "Democrats!"
"Easy for you to say. Thank goodness you are not empowered to give orders."
Did the detonations over Hiroshima and Nagasaki discriminate?
Time for Colonel Kurtz?
That was my point. It's easy for you to advocate nukes...from the comfort of our home of office back in the U.S.
That's why I'm glad you're not calling the shots. I'm pretty sure I speak on behalf of the vast numbers of us Americans who are in Iraq.
Secure that area, and build our USAF Bases, US Army Bases, and US Naval Bases, that we have earned in Iraq with our Armed Forces wonderful and Heroic efforts!
Let Iraq have their Civil War - who cares - we'll be in place for the next round - Iran!
Most of the materials, equipment, and manpower, are already in Iraq, so why not use them to secure our own, USA-owned facilities there? We can lease them from Iraq after islamania is destroyed, not unlike Guantanamo is leased from Cuba.
Stay well armed and safe..............FRegards
I agree that it truly is in President Bushs' hands. He's on an Asian tour now, stopping for a quick meeting in Russia, then on to several other Countries to take-care-of-business, then back home.
There have been several seemingly innocuous events over the past few months, and they made me notice, so speculation was inevitable. Today, for example, THIS ITEM caught my eye. A few days ago, I posted THIS THREAD, a possible outcome of several events that had happenned. I'm still gathering data, and this time, I'm double-copying my reference bookmarks.
Stay well armed and safe.................FRegards
Very, very interesting gonzo. BTW, sure is nice to see you!
Anyone who runs is an enemy...
...Anyone who stays is a well-discplined enemy.
Perhaps not that far, but maybe a Phoenix Program ?
Good to see you too, McGavin999! Us 'olders' are kinda lost in a sea of FReepers anymore, but that's a good thing. Lotsa different ideas and viewpoints, and this site has become the best news source ever!
Stay well armed and safe - there's a lotta mosques in the USA..............FRegards
A week ago a mob of media slugs, masquerading as decent american citizens, rounded up millions of voters and herded them into election polls to vote for things for which they had no understanding.
At last, someone who knows how to win, but we wont be allowed to do it before we leave.
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