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1 posted on 11/16/2006 7:57:25 AM PST by zippy the razor
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To: zippy the razor

This is not a revelation, the guy was known for his socialist and Marxist writings and rantings. He viewed with suspicion church members that did not readily donate their wives for sexual congress - not giving their all, I guess. Read the book "Raven", it's freaky as hell.


2 posted on 11/16/2006 8:03:24 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: zippy the razor

I have read detailed accounts of the early history of Jamestown. Indeed, the roots of modern liberalism may be traced here primarily, along with many recorded early disasters. Coincidence?


3 posted on 11/16/2006 8:04:06 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: zippy the razor

My heart bleeds purple kool-aid for them (him)...


4 posted on 11/16/2006 8:07:00 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: zippy the razor

Hence the name: People's Church


6 posted on 11/16/2006 8:13:35 AM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Technically, we're all Republicans (still)!!!)
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To: zippy the razor

Here is another important church of the religious left.

"Miami Mayor Xavier Suarez declared October 7, 1990, "Yahweh ben Yahweh Day."


http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/classics/yahweh_cult/index.html


8 posted on 11/16/2006 8:18:32 AM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: zippy the razor

I rememeber pictures of him and Rosalyn Carter.


9 posted on 11/16/2006 8:19:53 AM PST by Sybeck1
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10 posted on 11/16/2006 8:22:09 AM PST by firewalk
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To: zippy the razor

Jim Jones was a full-blown Commie.


12 posted on 11/16/2006 8:27:31 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: zot; Interesting Times; SeraphimApprentice

ping


13 posted on 11/16/2006 8:30:41 AM PST by GreyFriar ( (3rd Armored Division - Spearhead))
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To: zippy the razor
Jones wanted his followers to learn Russian. He’d left instructions for assets to be sent to the Soviet Union.

. . . Former Vice President Hubert Humphrey said that Jones’ work “is testimony to the positive and truly Christian approach to dealing with the myriad problems confronting our society today.”

. . . Joseph Califano . . . Walter Mondale . . . Jimmy Carter’s wife, Rosalynn . . . all had good words to say for Jones.

Funny how none of that made the headlines back in the day!

14 posted on 11/16/2006 8:30:59 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: zippy the razor

And his church was in San Francisco before it went to Guyana. He had many friends in politics up there.


15 posted on 11/16/2006 8:34:25 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: zippy the razor
Good morning.

Jones first came here to Redwood Valley in the mid '60s and brought many Bay Area inner city people with him. They started to buy property and opened a church a couple of miles from my home.

My wife lost cousins at Jonestown and I know several others who lost family. Before the county closed it to save money, Jones' old church building was my polling place.

Everyone I know says that Jones helped many people at first but I say that he was a straight forward socialist and mad as a hatter from the beginning.

Michal Frazier
16 posted on 11/16/2006 8:37:25 AM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: zippy the razor
Jonestown Massacre: November 18, 1978
17 posted on 11/16/2006 8:40:16 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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Does severe mental illness really have a political ideology behind it? One does not have 900 of your followers commit murder/suicide without some pretty serious screws loose.

I put Koresh in the same category. More important that the followers die than to lose the power and authority he wielded over his followers.


18 posted on 11/16/2006 8:50:44 AM PST by dmz
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To: zippy the razor
Jones baptized people “in the holy name of socialism”
"Holy?" Hardly. You can divide people into two groups: those who attempt to do things and those who aspire to authority based only on their ability to criticize those who do. Socialists are hypercritical second guessers of the doers.

But socialists also are noteworthy for their proclivity to appropriate for themselves any expression which elates to people collectively, as opposed to government. Examples are "the people," "the masses," "public" - and, of course, the word "society" itself. The most obvious example is the conflation of "public" with "government. Thus, "the public sector" is a circumlocution for "government." "Public" schools are government schools, and so on.

But if "public" is the most obvious example, "society" is IMHO the most blatant. If a leftist says, "Society should" (do some particular thing) he means nothing other than that the government should do that thing. It will not matter how much the aggregation of all the individual people who make up society voluntarily spend on, for example, giving children lunch. If a socialists says that "Society should feed lunch to its children," he means the government should do it and "society" - the government - is not doing so.

That relates directly to the "holy" name of "socialism." What could be clearer than that what leftists call "socialism" is nothing other than governmentism? At its base level "socialism" is a lie. The socialist conflates "society" with "government" so thoroughly as to blind himself to the possibility of making a distinction between the two. So for any socialist who may see this, I will draw the distinction for you:

Society minus government equals freedom.
Where there is no difference in fact between society and government, there is no freedom.

22 posted on 11/16/2006 10:04:24 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: zippy the razor

Just think, without Jamestown, we would not have the phrase, "don't drink the kool aid"


23 posted on 11/16/2006 10:11:01 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: zippy the razor

Thanks for posting this.


24 posted on 11/16/2006 10:57:03 AM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: zippy the razor; brazzaville

There is a bunch of revisionist history going on with this tragedy. A film has just been made, along with a play last year, that's trying to say "well there were some good things about Peoples Temple." Typical rationalization of socialism. Also, the director of this movie has an obvious left-leaning slant and is using the film to take veiled swipes at our government and how it's fighting the War on Terror. They came just recently to my area for a screening. There's a lot of unsavory things these filmmakers don't want to reveal, about corruption among S.F. clergy, politicians and the media who were all complicit in Jones rise to infamy.

http://maroonedinmarin.blogspot.com/2006/11/jonestown-filmmakers-ignore-sf-media.html


39 posted on 11/26/2006 9:44:01 AM PST by stratman1969 (CLINTON LIED - 3,000+ DIED)
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To: zippy the razor

I wrote a term paper on Jim Jones in college.

He was one of the early adopters of the current crop of churches who teach, give, give, give, the rich won't go to heaven, Jesus would have been a communist, etc.

These reformist churches are more of the norm now, most non-orthodox jewish synagogues preach this, many christian and catholic churches have gone this route, too, politics is everywhere.


41 posted on 11/26/2006 9:55:56 AM PST by word_warrior_bob
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Video source of Jonestown Q 042 death tape Nov. 18, 1978

Jonestown death tape 1

Jonestown death tape 2

Jonestown death tape 3

Jonestown death tape 4

Jonestown death tape 5

42 posted on 10/04/2007 10:31:21 AM PDT by bjs1779
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