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Sikhs blame British policy of 'Asian' tag
Times of India ^ | 11/17/06 | Times news network

Posted on 11/17/2006 9:34:08 AM PST by voletti

LONDON: British Sikhs have stepped up their attack on the UK's politically-correct policy of lumping Sikhs and Hindus with the omnibus tag 'Asian' instead of clearly identifying Muslims as the offenders when needed, just 48 hours after a Scottish Sikh teenager was viciously attacked by a white gang and forced to submit to having his long hair hacked off.

In a loaded attack on British political correctness, Sikh leaders blamed the Edinburgh incident on the UK's refusal to identify Asian Muslims as perpetrators of crime. Instead, said the Sikh Federation, Britain's only Sikh political party, racist offenders against whites are routinely described by the British media as "Asian". The Federation said, "The media by adopting such a crude policy was putting at risk those most visible amongst Asians - a simple phrase that the media is using to describe those with brown skin."

he attack on British political correctness comes nearly a fortnight after the high-profile sentencing in the Scottish city of Glasgow of three 'Asian' Muslim men who horrifically killed a young white man, Kriss Donald, in a racist attack that shocked Scotland and much of the world.

On Friday, UK Sikh leaders said the community believed that the attack on the Sikh teenager was "directly linked to (the) conviction in Scotland for the horrific killing of a young white man by four Muslims."

They said the 15-year-old Sikh boy may have become the unfortunate scapegoat for white teenagers angry about Donald's racially-aggravated murder at the hands of a brown gang.

The Federation said, "Sikhs with turbans are the most visible minority in the UK that is facing increased racism as the media and public authorities are adopting 'general' descriptions and avoiding the harsh facts and reality of the situation".

Sikh leaders told TOI , in another loaded reference to recent racially-charged attacks on British Sikh cricketer Monty Panesa, "We have had killings, bombings and mass murder in the UK. What will it take for the media and public authorities to start calling a spade a spade and educating the public about Sikhs, who do not want to be called Asians or Indians and are different to Muslims and Hindus? The events of the last few days show if you are a 15 year old schoolboy or a world famous international cricketer you have one thing in common - your Sikh identity and you will be subjected to racial abuse and attack as the authorities are failing the Sikhs."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asian; goodguys; india; islam; israel; pakistan; sikh; uk
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The Brits always lumped all brownskins from South Asia under the ubiquituous tag 'Asian' despite the ever-widening differences in every social and economic indicator between those of Indian orgin and those hailing from Pukeistan and Bong-ladesh.

What happened had to happen sometime. Not long ago, Black Christians from the Caribbean recently came down against Pakis on the streets protesting a rape. Expect the BBC to mourn the passing of intra-minority 'solidarity' et al. Nobody else, I suspect, would be surprised at this turn of events.

1 posted on 11/17/2006 9:34:09 AM PST by voletti
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To: voletti

While I was visiting Cambridge University back in the 70s, I asked one of the fellows at Jesus College who was included, exactly, in the term "wog."

"Anyone south of the Channel," was his explanatory reply. So, take that, Frenchies!


2 posted on 11/17/2006 9:50:47 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: voletti; MadIvan; CarrotAndStick
British Sikhs have stepped up their attack on the UK's politically-correct policy of lumping Sikhs and Hindus with the omnibus tag 'Asian' instead of clearly identifying Muslims as the offenders when needed.

he attack on British political correctness comes nearly a fortnight after the high-profile sentencing in the Scottish city of Glasgow of three 'Asian' Muslim men who horrifically killed a young white man, Kriss Donald, in a racist attack that shocked Scotland and much of the world.

On Friday, UK Sikh leaders said the community believed that the attack on the Sikh teenager was "directly linked to (the) conviction in Scotland for the horrific killing of a young white man by four Muslims."


Yes, enough of calliing them "militants" or "freedom fighters" or "minorities" or "Asians" -- call the scum what they really are -- MUSLIMS. hindus and Sikhs are on our side, let's acknowledge that and NOT lump all brown people into the ASIAN camp.
3 posted on 11/17/2006 9:55:29 AM PST by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: voletti

Muslims want to live in a world part so should simply be described as such. Not as Asians. Chinese are the oldest and biggest Asian community in America so when I think Asian I think chop suey not chopped off heads


4 posted on 11/17/2006 9:56:24 AM PST by dennisw ("For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks-- Matt. 12:34)
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To: Cicero

I thought a wog was anyone not from the home counties...


5 posted on 11/17/2006 9:56:38 AM PST by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Cronos
I am very happy for the law to defend our Hindu and Sikh countrymen. Both of those communities are a credit to this country.

Regards, Ivan

6 posted on 11/17/2006 9:56:53 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: voletti
.....same as hispanics being called "whites" when reporting crime statistics...

same old....same old...
7 posted on 11/17/2006 9:57:20 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: voletti

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1739427/posts

Hair of Sikh cut in racist attack in UK



LONDON: In a case of racial assault, a group of white youths attacked a Sikh teenager and clipped his hair in a public park in the Scottish capital Edinburgh.

The 15-year-old, who has not been named, was attacked by four youths in Pilrig Park on Tuesday evening in what police have described as an unprovoked and sustained assault.

He was initially subjected to racist verbal abuse from the gang, police said, before being knocked to the ground. When the teenager's turban came off, the gang cut his hair - an act considered highly offensive to the Sikh community.

"At around 7.30pm on Tuesday evening, the 15-year-old victim entered Pilrig Park via Balfour Place, Edinburgh where he was initially subjected to verbal racial abuse from a group of four young white males who were standing near to Pilrig Primary School," a police spokesman said.

"The victim for no apparent reason was thereafter set upon by the group, who violently punched and kicked him to the ground. The young victim has clearly been terrorized by the actions of these males," the spokesman said.

"The persons responsible for this attack made off across Pilrig Park, exiting into Pilrig Street, where they then ran off in the direction of Leith Walk," the spokesman said.

Police said although the teenager did not need hospital treatment, he was left terrified by the attack. "This was an extremely distressing attack on a young member of our community, who has been left traumatised by this incident," the spokesman said.

The four suspects are thought to be around 16 years old.


8 posted on 11/17/2006 9:59:05 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: voletti
"Black Christians from the Caribbean recently came down against Pakis on the streets protesting a rape."

Was it the Christians or the Pakis who were protesting a rape? I'm sorry. It's not clear in the sentence.

9 posted on 11/17/2006 9:59:29 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Cicero

“Wogs begin at Calais.”


10 posted on 11/17/2006 10:01:30 AM PST by dighton
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To: dighton

"Only wogs eat frogs."


11 posted on 11/17/2006 10:06:18 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: dennisw
"...chop suey not chopped off heads."

Most excellent!

LOL!

12 posted on 11/17/2006 10:12:35 AM PST by caddie
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They left his head? Dern whiner. It could have been much worse.


13 posted on 11/17/2006 10:13:48 AM PST by KarinG1 (Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not necessarily represent those of sane people.)
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To: dennisw
Muslims want to live in a world part so should simply be described as such. Not as Asians. Chinese are the oldest and biggest Asian community in America so when I think Asian I think chop suey not chopped off heads

In the UK, "Asian" is usually understood to mean South Asian - India, Pakistan, Bangladesh. British Muslim problems - lower income, graduation rates, crime and riots - are routinely referred to as "Asian" by the politically correct British media and have been for several decades. If fact these problems seem to be unique to Muslims, not South Asian Hindus, Sikhs, or Buddhists.
14 posted on 11/17/2006 10:15:48 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: sageb1

"Was it the Christians or the Pakis who were protesting a rape? I'm sorry. It's not clear in the sentence."

I believe that voletti is referring to this incident:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1840543,00.html

I believe that the police never found any evidence that a rape ever occured, despite a search of the alledged location, nor did anyone ever come forwarded to claim to be the victim.


15 posted on 11/17/2006 10:55:26 AM PST by Canard
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To: voletti

Unfortunately, I doubt more 'education' about the differences between Muslims and Sikhs will help when we're dealing with the kind of people who would perpetrate this kind of thing (not that they should be attacking random Muslims either).

I think we're dealing with the same kind of intellects as those who attacked an Austrian tourist after England lost to Germany at football, or the mob graffitting the house of a paediatrician (they didn't realise that wasn't the same as paedophile..)


16 posted on 11/17/2006 10:59:47 AM PST by Canard
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To: Canard

Haven't some major terrorist attacks actually been the work of Sikhs?


17 posted on 11/17/2006 11:05:24 AM PST by DrGunsforHands
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To: DrGunsforHands

Seizing of the Golden Temple in Amiritsar was the work of a Sikh group and I think there was a bombing of an Air India plane in the late '80s.


18 posted on 11/17/2006 11:20:58 AM PST by Canard
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To: DrGunsforHands
Haven't some major terrorist attacks actually been the work of Sikhs?

Yes - actually, the second-deadliest terror attack of all time (the bombing of an Air India 747) was the work of Sikh extremists.

However, I'm unaware of any Sikh extremist terror attacks for quite a long time - it was largely from a movment for independence for the Punjab (Khalistan) from India, around the period militants took control of the Golden Temple at Amritsar and the Indian Army shot up the place badly in taking it back, follwed by the President of India (Indira Gandhi) being assasinated by her Sikh bodyguards.

19 posted on 11/17/2006 11:35:37 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Canard

Thank you very much for the url. I hadn't heard a thing about that. Do you know if there have been any further incidents of this particular nature? I see this happened last year. The article made it sound like a powder keg situation between Christians and Muslims, but I haven't heard anything about a backlash out of Christians. Or is this considered more a youth gang issue?


20 posted on 11/17/2006 1:35:05 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

"The article made it sound like a powder keg situation between Christians and Muslims, but I haven't heard anything about a backlash out of Christians. Or is this considered more a youth gang issue?"

Probably elements of religion, of race (Black Carribean/Pakistani) and just usual youth gangs, all mixed up together.


21 posted on 11/17/2006 1:42:57 PM PST by Canard
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To: Canard

Thanks.


22 posted on 11/17/2006 1:48:44 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: KarinG1
They left his head? Dern whiner. It could have been much worse.

?!?

Kriss Donald was killed, and this was in retaliation. Only problem is that it was "friendly fire"...of all the groups to attack, it's sad that they attacked a Sikh boy.

Idiocy similar to the killing of Balbir Singh Sodhi in Mesa, Arizona, on 9/15 (2001).

23 posted on 11/17/2006 2:13:24 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

I don't think we should be giving these thugs the justification of 'retaliation'.

They had no connection with Kris Donald, were in a completely different city and took it upon themselves to pick out a random passerby to attack.


24 posted on 11/17/2006 2:31:38 PM PST by Canard
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To: Canard

"the mob graffitting the house of a paediatrician (they didn't realise that wasn't the same as paedophile..)"

LOL, talk about messing something up.


25 posted on 11/17/2006 3:34:23 PM PST by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: Canard
I don't think we should be giving these thugs the justification of 'retaliation'.

I see your point...though I admit being unable to come up with a way to properly word it and get across what I meant.

Bottom line...they're thugs.

26 posted on 11/17/2006 7:05:35 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

Clockwork Orange


27 posted on 11/18/2006 5:32:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: MadIvan

"Asian" seems to be a tag left over from British Colonial days. Almost as bad, IMO, as calling a person the "n" word here in the States.

Seems our countries are quick to defend Muslims, from ANY nation, and the other nationalities get a pass.


28 posted on 11/18/2006 8:30:29 AM PST by madison10 (If my people, who are called by My name will humble themselves and pray...I will heal their land.)
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To: madison10

""Asian" seems to be a tag left over from British Colonial days. Almost as bad, IMO, as calling a person the "n" word here in the States."

"Asian" is definitely not an insult - its generally accepted; there is a newspaper, "Asian Times" (probably got its own website), and at least one porn magazine "Asian Babes" (or at least there used to be).


29 posted on 11/19/2006 5:07:07 AM PST by Mac1
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To: voletti
Unless the continent from which these people spring is called other than Asia, the label is accurate, tribal differences between individuals notwithstanding.

I have no patience for contrary opinion. Sorry.

Not really sorry, of course.

30 posted on 11/19/2006 5:21:58 AM PST by ExGeeEye (Day 185 (counting up))
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To: ExGeeEye

"I have no patience for contrary opinion. Sorry."

Each to his own, dude.

"Not really sorry, of course."
Of course.


31 posted on 11/19/2006 8:10:46 AM PST by voletti (Awareness and Equanimity.)
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To: Cronos; voletti; MadIvan
Its no doubt wrong on part of the media to tag Hindus and Sikhs along with the Muslims but its got little to do with the tag itself. Britain is one of the most racist society in the world. I have cousins who are (unfortunately) British citizens now.

I doubt the attacks on Hindus and Sikhs would cease just with the removal of the "Asian" tag. What good do you think will that do? The attacking mobs will become more "educated"? Will they know better now about who they should attack and who they should leave out? Will the Hindus and Sikhs cease to become "Asians"? Will the attackers suddenly start looking at Hindus and Sikhs as friends?
32 posted on 11/19/2006 4:55:17 PM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan; MadIvan
Its no doubt wrong on part of the media to tag Hindus and Sikhs along with the Muslims but its got little to do with the tag itself. Britain is one of the most racist society in the world.

you've GOT to be kidding -- I disagree completely, the UK's a lot more multi-cultural and tolerant than any other place: including India.
33 posted on 11/20/2006 9:43:49 AM PST by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Cronos
"Multi-cultural" my ass. Tolerant?? Now you have got to be kidding. In UK multiculturalism resides inside ghettos. And they celebrate diversity with rioting. Its soo tolerant that religious leaders (living on government doles) scream death threats for infidels (read Hindus and Jews) from mosques.

And lets not even talk about Northern Ireland. British (so-called) multiculturalism isn't something thats like or wanted by most of her people. Its the result of the Empire imploding post WWII, that UK had to willy-nilly accept British subjects from the Caribbeans, East Africa and other place that freed itself from colonisation. Multi-culturalism is still resented by most in Britain. The attack on the Sikh boy is the result of that resentment in general against "foreigners". Not necessarily the anger of the British youth is directed only against the Muslims.
34 posted on 11/20/2006 2:20:08 PM PST by Gengis Khan
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