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Republican Border Wars
Weekly Standard ^ | 11/27/2006 | Duncan Currie

Posted on 11/18/2006 6:07:13 AM PST by peyton randolph

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To: peyton randolph

Fred Barnes, Bill Kristol, Stephen Moore, and now Grover Norquist are all shameful, and shameless liars about the 2006 midterms and what they said about immigration. And if I'm wrong to call them liars, then I apologize, but if they actually believe the nonsense they are spewing, then that would only mean that they are delusional pro-mass immigration ideologues. Thanks to the internet, however, their garbage has been thoroughly refuted by reasonable analysis by the National Review and Pat Buchananan.

Otherwise, however, this piece by the Weekly Standard is admirably fair by their standards. It actually includes the conservative critique of the biased poll questions that offer only a choice between earned legalization and mass deportations, and leaves out the true middle ground position of enforcement-first based attrition.


41 posted on 11/18/2006 8:12:15 AM PST by Aetius
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To: outdriving
This why Hispandering is a big loser for Republicans.

Republicans YES, Americans YES, but politicians and Republican politicans in particular, NO.

Politicians accept campaign contributions and other reenumeration from business for turning their head on this issue and/or votes from the open borders lobby.

This is all about personal enrichment for politicians and Republicen politicians have just not learned how to lie out of both sides of their face yet.

42 posted on 11/18/2006 8:21:29 AM PST by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Rockitz

A permanent class of poverty also benefits socialist and communists.


43 posted on 11/18/2006 8:22:30 AM PST by griswold3 (I cried when I erased my tagline....)
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To: Aetius

Agreed....

More garbage from Fred Barnes and Bill Kristol at the Weekly Standard....

Two questions:

1)ho reads it? I know very few conservatives who agree with their immigration position.

2) Why are they so overrepresented on Foxnews?


44 posted on 11/18/2006 8:24:19 AM PST by teg_76
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To: Plain Old American
"I want to see how they fix something (Comprehensive Immigration Reform) that has never been turned on; the Comprehensive Immigration Reform of 1986..."

That would be Ronald Reagan's Immigration Reform plan and it WAS real Amnesty. I guess many here will deny this fact (but we have Ronald Reagan's own words to prove otherwise).

Having a TEMPORARY guest worker program does NOT have to be amnesty. There should be NO shortcut to citizenship. Those that cannot qualify under this temporary worker program should be evicted from the United States. Employers of illegals should be heavily fined.

What is so hard about solving this problem? THE WILL OF POLITICIANS TO DO IT!

LLS
45 posted on 11/18/2006 8:25:56 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: teg_76
2) Why are they so overrepresented on Foxnews?

Because pat buchanan enjoys his sucking up to chrissy matthews on MSNBC.

46 posted on 11/18/2006 8:27:46 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: teg_76

On immigration, Fox News is just about as worthless as all the other networks. The 'All Stars' segment on Brit Hume's show is especially bad, as there is not one voice representing conservative views on immigration. As already stated, Barnes and Kristol are terrible, while Mort Kondracke (who at times sounds like a reasonable left-leaning moderate) won't hesitate to engage in the various name-calling of open borders opponents.

Bill O'Reilly should be credited for brining attention to the border problems, but if you actually listen to him you'll find that he favors amnesty and a deceptive guest-worker program. Sean Hannity can't seem to make up his mind; one day he'll have Pat Buchanan on and agree with almost every thing he says, then the next night he'll be saying that he supports increasing legal immigration 'if need be'. And he has an annoying habit of prefacing any tough statements with the standard and nauseating platitudes about how much he loves legal immigration. In and of itself that is not so bad, but it comes across as a pathetic and futile attempt to shield himself from charges of xenophobia and of being anti-whatever when he gets around to the tough talk on illegal immigration. Its futile because the name-calling is pretty much inevitable if one voices opposition to the 'comprehensive'/pro-mass immigration crowd. Its annoying because it just adds to all the time wasted in the public debate over immigration by spouting empty, irrelevant, feel-good slogans that do nothing to advance the debate, and instead actually hurt it by giving credence to these ridiculous, simplistic platitudes that have somehow come to be accepted as worthwhile points to make in a very complex issue.


47 posted on 11/18/2006 8:45:06 AM PST by Aetius
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To: Aetius
Has anybody read that article ? There is a Republican Border War. Bush declared it. There should be a complete review of relations between the US and Mexico, that means rights of American citizens in Mexico including property ownership (make it reciprocal) and Mexican citizen rights in the US.

Part of the Bush position is motivated by this. The Bush administration is convinced as well as Fed chair Bernanke the only way to save Social Security is by using foreign (Mexican) "guest workers". Just as we're having foreign investment bail us out of our deficits we're supposed to have foreign workers support our ponsey scheme known as social security. These are stop gap measures to our extravagent life style problems not solutions. Many of these jobs being taken by illegals could be done by American youth . .

We forgot what it means to be self reliant

Bush came out with a social security investment plan but abandoned it. If he really wants a legacy let him fix that, rather than destroy the Republican party as he's well on the way of doing. http://theusmat.com/

48 posted on 11/18/2006 9:44:17 AM PST by mosesdapoet
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To: peyton randolph
Americans for Tax Reform president Grover Norquist

And placer of radical Islamists in the Bush Adminstration.

His rational, Jews will never vote Republican, so Republicans should embrace Islamics as a counterweight. Much, but not all, of this activity taking place *after* 9-11. Probably the source of some of the President's "Religion of Peace" comments. (I'll note that the President has slowly been transitioning away from that toward "Radical Islamic Terrorists".)

49 posted on 11/18/2006 9:46:28 AM PST by El Gato
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To: griswold3

First thing that must be done is to have the liberals be willing to end voter fraud. Until they are willing to protect only Constitutionally authorized voters I am totally opposed to illegal immigration on any level or guest workers that never leave.

There already is a loss from the illegal invasion, right now the local public school district is offering 'English' classes to any adult who desires, and I know darn well they are not given at no cost. Just added to my property tax tab or some State funded program.

I read recently that the population of this state was up 34%, and people wonder why the liberals won so many races this past election.


50 posted on 11/18/2006 9:58:06 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Plain Old American
The national republican party traded the majority for comprehensive immigration reform.

The Republican congress was strongly against comprehensive reform. The Republican congress was strongly for HR4437.

On election day, the Republican congress lost 25 good pro HR 4437 seats because of the stupid above attitude of the voters that you seem to defend.

51 posted on 11/18/2006 10:03:20 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Wonder what level of voter fraud was ignored in the Republican congressional districts you claim to have lost over comprehensive reform?


52 posted on 11/18/2006 10:18:15 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
Wonder what level of voter fraud was ignored in the Republican congressional districts you claim to have lost over comprehensive reform?

Don't put words in my mouth, I made no such claim.

53 posted on 11/18/2006 10:37:31 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

I apologize that the inference was directed to you, my big mistake cause I was questioning the thinking of Republican losses.


54 posted on 11/18/2006 10:41:03 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: mosesdapoet
Bush is motivated by the North American Union.

This is why many of his proposals favor Mexicans. This is what the Israelis called creating "facts on the ground" when they built the west bank settlements. He is smoothing the way towards the ultimate EU style integration with his millions of "facts on the ground". A slow motion Coup. He and his conspirators in both parties are banking on it being impossible to "deport all these hard working folks" by the time America wakes up.

All the rest is just smoke and mirrors to hide his treason.
57 posted on 11/18/2006 1:04:00 PM PST by outdriving (Diversity is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.)
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To: peyton randolph
Grover Norquist, the Islamist front man in the conservative movement. There's someone whose advice we should all heed.
58 posted on 11/18/2006 4:16:52 PM PST by Pelham (1 Billion 'Guest Workers' to do Jobs Americans Won't Do.)
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To: Just mythoughts; Dane
Didn't JDHayworth loose to a anti-illegal invasion democrat?

Yep. And Dane knows it, too.

But as you can see she's still trying to lead people into believing otherwise.

59 posted on 11/18/2006 4:26:18 PM PST by Pelham (1 Billion 'Guest Workers' to do Jobs Americans Won't Do.)
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To: Dane
[ But you all can go ahead with your delusinal rationaliziations of why Hayworth lost. ]

Wonder how many of the Legal and Illegal aliens VOTED against J.D.... Cause you know they voted democrat.. Same with other insurgent pits accross the country..

BIG difference between immigrants and insurgents..
Wasted on RINOs though..

60 posted on 11/18/2006 4:29:11 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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