Posted on 11/18/2006 6:07:13 AM PST by peyton randolph
Fred Barnes, Bill Kristol, Stephen Moore, and now Grover Norquist are all shameful, and shameless liars about the 2006 midterms and what they said about immigration. And if I'm wrong to call them liars, then I apologize, but if they actually believe the nonsense they are spewing, then that would only mean that they are delusional pro-mass immigration ideologues. Thanks to the internet, however, their garbage has been thoroughly refuted by reasonable analysis by the National Review and Pat Buchananan.
Otherwise, however, this piece by the Weekly Standard is admirably fair by their standards. It actually includes the conservative critique of the biased poll questions that offer only a choice between earned legalization and mass deportations, and leaves out the true middle ground position of enforcement-first based attrition.
Republicans YES, Americans YES, but politicians and Republican politicans in particular, NO.
Politicians accept campaign contributions and other reenumeration from business for turning their head on this issue and/or votes from the open borders lobby.
This is all about personal enrichment for politicians and Republicen politicians have just not learned how to lie out of both sides of their face yet.
A permanent class of poverty also benefits socialist and communists.
Agreed....
More garbage from Fred Barnes and Bill Kristol at the Weekly Standard....
Two questions:
1)ho reads it? I know very few conservatives who agree with their immigration position.
2) Why are they so overrepresented on Foxnews?
Because pat buchanan enjoys his sucking up to chrissy matthews on MSNBC.
On immigration, Fox News is just about as worthless as all the other networks. The 'All Stars' segment on Brit Hume's show is especially bad, as there is not one voice representing conservative views on immigration. As already stated, Barnes and Kristol are terrible, while Mort Kondracke (who at times sounds like a reasonable left-leaning moderate) won't hesitate to engage in the various name-calling of open borders opponents.
Bill O'Reilly should be credited for brining attention to the border problems, but if you actually listen to him you'll find that he favors amnesty and a deceptive guest-worker program. Sean Hannity can't seem to make up his mind; one day he'll have Pat Buchanan on and agree with almost every thing he says, then the next night he'll be saying that he supports increasing legal immigration 'if need be'. And he has an annoying habit of prefacing any tough statements with the standard and nauseating platitudes about how much he loves legal immigration. In and of itself that is not so bad, but it comes across as a pathetic and futile attempt to shield himself from charges of xenophobia and of being anti-whatever when he gets around to the tough talk on illegal immigration. Its futile because the name-calling is pretty much inevitable if one voices opposition to the 'comprehensive'/pro-mass immigration crowd. Its annoying because it just adds to all the time wasted in the public debate over immigration by spouting empty, irrelevant, feel-good slogans that do nothing to advance the debate, and instead actually hurt it by giving credence to these ridiculous, simplistic platitudes that have somehow come to be accepted as worthwhile points to make in a very complex issue.
Part of the Bush position is motivated by this. The Bush administration is convinced as well as Fed chair Bernanke the only way to save Social Security is by using foreign (Mexican) "guest workers". Just as we're having foreign investment bail us out of our deficits we're supposed to have foreign workers support our ponsey scheme known as social security. These are stop gap measures to our extravagent life style problems not solutions. Many of these jobs being taken by illegals could be done by American youth . .
We forgot what it means to be self reliant
Bush came out with a social security investment plan but abandoned it. If he really wants a legacy let him fix that, rather than destroy the Republican party as he's well on the way of doing. http://theusmat.com/
And placer of radical Islamists in the Bush Adminstration.
His rational, Jews will never vote Republican, so Republicans should embrace Islamics as a counterweight. Much, but not all, of this activity taking place *after* 9-11. Probably the source of some of the President's "Religion of Peace" comments. (I'll note that the President has slowly been transitioning away from that toward "Radical Islamic Terrorists".)
First thing that must be done is to have the liberals be willing to end voter fraud. Until they are willing to protect only Constitutionally authorized voters I am totally opposed to illegal immigration on any level or guest workers that never leave.
There already is a loss from the illegal invasion, right now the local public school district is offering 'English' classes to any adult who desires, and I know darn well they are not given at no cost. Just added to my property tax tab or some State funded program.
I read recently that the population of this state was up 34%, and people wonder why the liberals won so many races this past election.
The Republican congress was strongly against comprehensive reform. The Republican congress was strongly for HR4437.
On election day, the Republican congress lost 25 good pro HR 4437 seats because of the stupid above attitude of the voters that you seem to defend.
Wonder what level of voter fraud was ignored in the Republican congressional districts you claim to have lost over comprehensive reform?
Don't put words in my mouth, I made no such claim.
I apologize that the inference was directed to you, my big mistake cause I was questioning the thinking of Republican losses.
Yep. And Dane knows it, too.
But as you can see she's still trying to lead people into believing otherwise.
Wonder how many of the Legal and Illegal aliens VOTED against J.D.... Cause you know they voted democrat.. Same with other insurgent pits accross the country..
BIG difference between immigrants and insurgents..
Wasted on RINOs though..
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