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To: Neidermeyer
if schools haven't been used as a tool of the Secular Humanist religion

Oh puhleeeeze....

For some people, if you don't teach your particular sect's teachings, it's "secular humanism."

There's a huge difference between teaching from a secular, non-sectarian viewpoint and teaching secular humanism. I was never taught in school that there is no God, that empiricism is the only valid epistemology, or that religion was the opiate of the masses. I was taught history, science, and literature. The chips fell where they may.

13 posted on 11/18/2006 11:08:44 AM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: jude24

"There's a huge difference between teaching from a secular, non-sectarian viewpoint and teaching secular humanism. I was never taught in school that there is no God, that empiricism is the only valid epistemology, or that religion was the opiate of the masses. I was taught history, science, and literature. The chips fell where they may."


You haven't been in many schools, especially public schools, lately, have you?

Your view of what constitutes "being taught" seems truncated, but even given that, your first point is off the mark. Public schools were designed from the ground up to dissuade students from their parents' religious tutelage, and inculcate them with the nationalist civil religion (in which all competing religions are "OK" so long as they submit ultimately to the authority of the state) as its Prussian architects made clear in their communications "within the guild", and to their American admirers who imported the Prussian state school model to the US. But even that was a fairly minor side-show. For the main course, see:

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history1.htm
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm

Meanwhile, not only were public schools developed to function as temples of the civil religion, others, (including a significant overlap with the cast of characters who instigated the state schooling system) were busy gutting the content of the "competing" religions, e.g., as even H.L. Mencken, not noted for his piety, detected in his obituary of an adversary of this process:
http://www.freebooks.com/docs/html/gncf/appendix_a.htm


17 posted on 11/18/2006 12:02:52 PM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: jude24

Jude 24 -

May I ask what year you graduated from high school? Things may be different now.


26 posted on 11/18/2006 1:00:57 PM PST by BW2221
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To: jude24
I was never taught in school that there is no God, that empiricism is the only valid epistemology, or that religion was the opiate of the masses. I was taught history, science, and literature. The chips fell where they may.

Science as its taught assumes secular humanism implicitly. If it didn't, science would merely observe that there are fossils without pushing their theories about them.

60 posted on 11/19/2006 4:41:45 PM PST by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)
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To: jude24
I was taught history, science, and literature.

Schools are teaching ethics these days (don't do drugs, don't smoke, etc). Were you taught ethics or citizenship or anything like that?

63 posted on 11/20/2006 6:23:26 AM PST by Puddleglum
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