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To: ShawTaylor
Why didn't you become mayor at a time when crime was making everyone's life hell, and hammer the hoods, the vicious killers and the muggers into the ground?

We keep hearing this but there are a few inconvenient facts in the way.

However dramatically you (or Rudy) might want to promote his efforts, the truth is that New York was a sewer due to the dereliction of the voters. Since Rudy, by the standards of most the country, it's been upgraded to a stable.

Both crime and abortion rates have fallen across the country, dating from the mid-Nineties. There's no real apparent reason for it and neither party is in any position to take credit for it. It's not clear the pro-life and pro-concealed carry people get a lot of credit either. So unless New York is a particularly evil haven of crime, the crime rate would have fallen there no matter what, just as it did in all those other cities where Our Holy Savior His Rudiness did not reign supreme. The extent to which Rudy made that trend more effective can be debated.
117 posted on 11/19/2006 8:12:59 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
We keep hearing this but there are a few inconvenient facts in the way.

You are the one furiously spinning to avoid facts that don't fit your Hutelry paid assassin, anti-Guiliani agenda.



"However dramatically you (or Rudy) might want to promote his efforts, the truth is that New York was a sewer due to the dereliction of the voters. Since Rudy, by the standards of most the country, it's been upgraded to a stable."

Hah Hah.
Still trying to talk down Giuliani's solid achievements that are backed by solid facts and figures huh?
You are merely saying words, without bringing out even one fact, and it's not working.
Try again.


"Both crime and abortion rates have fallen across the country, dating from the mid-Nineties. "

What has abortion got to do with it?
Number 2, Crime, including murder is still rising in Detroit and New Orleans, which are in a comparatively a similar situation as New York was, before Guiliani.
It took a very strong man to tame the hoods of New York and make it livable again, and that man was Guiliani.
Hitlery wouldn't even have a clue where to start.
Why, she couldn't even handle an ordinary Health Care plan.

There's no real apparent reason for it and neither party is in any position to take credit for it

Oh yes they are.
The Republican Party can proudly take credit for binging down crime here.
And the RATS Party can equally take credit for the terrible mess in Detroit and New Orleans, where crime is still booming.
131 posted on 11/19/2006 8:27:23 AM PST by ShawTaylor
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To: George W. Bush
Both crime and abortion rates have fallen across the country, dating from the mid-Nineties. There's no real apparent reason for it ...

I've read that a large part of the reason is that people who break the law are going to prison and staying there. Less criminals on the street = less crime

As for Rudy, I remember he did instiute a no tolerance policy against crime. Police cracked down on squeegee men, prostitutes, etc. Before his tenure Times Square was an x-rated sewer, he cleaned it up to the point where it became a family destination.

Rudy isn't perfect, but if he can beat the demos in NYC he should be able to win a national contest.

145 posted on 11/19/2006 8:35:20 AM PST by Ceebass
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