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Election 2008: 43% Would Never Vote for Mormon Candidate (Rasmussen Poll)
Yahoooo via Rasmussen ^ | 11/20/06

Posted on 11/20/2006 8:24:45 AM PST by areafiftyone

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To: rwfromkansas
They even have baptism for the dead, completely unbiblical.

The Catholic Church has 'babtism by Desire'. . .implying that if one leads a good life; one that follows spiritual Principle. . .then that person earns a 'Babtism of Desire'. . .this is how they reconcile the delemma of those of other 'Faiths' i.e. Jews/non-Christians; or just un-babtised 'Christians' who otherwise would be excluded, can be spiritually sanctioned to enter Heaven.

See 'Babtism of the Dead' as perhaps a similar concept.

Can we just appreciate people. . .political leaders who live a 'moral life' and one that is honorable. . .who are perhaps both 'God-loving and God-fearing'; without a Christian Bible litmus test?

Certainly have fond memories of the Bible-carrying Clinton's doing their 'entering and exiting' photo-ops. . .

101 posted on 11/20/2006 9:04:46 AM PST by cricket (Live Liberal free. . .or suffer their consequences. . .SAVE THE TERRORISTS! JOIN THE DEMOCRATS. . .)
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To: varina davis

You would have to change the Constitution.


102 posted on 11/20/2006 9:04:51 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: rwfromkansas; libbylu

Did I CALL it in #57, or what??


103 posted on 11/20/2006 9:05:18 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: MeanWestTexan

The same as Catholicism was when Kennedy ran. It won't stop him as the public sees what they are getting.


104 posted on 11/20/2006 9:05:22 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: msnimje; lugsoul

I would vote for Mitt. I may disagree with his religious beliefs, but he has good political beliefs.

But, many would not. I think he would cost us 2008 and sweep Hillary into office.


105 posted on 11/20/2006 9:05:58 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: linda_22003
Sorry, I didn't mean to upset women, just the anti Romney guys. lol... fortunately I get to vote no matter what they think. I decided I preferred him when I saw that he was anti amnesty.
106 posted on 11/20/2006 9:06:21 AM PST by libbylu (" a clearer voice of conservatism and I think Mitt Romney has an opportunity to fill that" Newt G)
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To: rwfromkansas
I would vote for Mitt. I may disagree with his religious beliefs, but he has good political beliefs. But, many would not. I think he would cost us 2008 and sweep Hillary into office.

Then the American electorate is stupid enough to deserve what it gets.

107 posted on 11/20/2006 9:06:50 AM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: areafiftyone
Half (53%) of all Evangelical Christians say that they would not consider voting for a Mormon candidate.

Then 53% of evangelicals have ZERO grounds to complain about the bigotry of liberals/secularists who won't vote for an evangelical.

"My bigotry is better than your bigotry" doesn't fly.

108 posted on 11/20/2006 9:06:57 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: areafiftyone
A few things to expect from this report:

1. This is obviously the first salvo against Mitt Romney. The MSM will do hit pieces on any and every potential Republican Presidential candidate.

2. When pressed, I would not be surprised when 1 or more major Dims come out and say that the vast majority of the 43% are intolerant, racist, bigoted conservatives. After all, just last week it was Chuckie Boy Schumer who said that yes, this country is bigoted towards jews, but that most of those people are conservatives.

3. Like it or not, religion will again play a big part in the upcoming Presidential election. Expect all Dims to get religion once again (just like so many did in this past 2006 election). Interesting how liberals will do all they can to destroy Catholicism and Christianity, yet during elections they make sure to let us know they are all Christians or Catholics.

109 posted on 11/20/2006 9:07:28 AM PST by technomage (Protest Voters are ignorant, immature, selfish people who have no capacity for long term thinking)
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To: areafiftyone

Woohoo! I'm one of the 43%!


110 posted on 11/20/2006 9:07:30 AM PST by glorgau
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To: msnimje

SIR, YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T READ.

MORMONS THINK YOU ARE GOING TO HELL. THEY SAY YOU AREN'T A CHRISTIAN.

DOES THAT UPSET YOU?

I decide what is Christian based upon the Scriptures.


111 posted on 11/20/2006 9:07:33 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: cricket

I don't know of any faith that practices anything called "babtism".


112 posted on 11/20/2006 9:08:05 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: areafiftyone

Hillary sees Mitt as potentially biggest threat.

Dems/MSM/pollsters psyche job starts earlier for 2008.


113 posted on 11/20/2006 9:08:06 AM PST by Grateful One
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To: MeanWestTexan

No, I'm not shooting the messenger. Just pointing out that those who would opt to elect Democrats because of the religion issue are willing to flush this country down history's toilet--over a fairly minor issue of theology as opposed to conduct.

Just marveling at the stupidity of my fellow citizens.


114 posted on 11/20/2006 9:08:15 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (I dare call it treason.)
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To: DTogo
Bush might as well start redecorating for Hillary. First he would have to hire someone with explicity 'bad taste' to do the decorating.

Doubt than in their 'wildest'; Laura and George could meet the Hillary-level expectations of 'taste'.

115 posted on 11/20/2006 9:08:21 AM PST by cricket (Live Liberal free. . .or suffer their consequences. . .SAVE THE TERRORISTS! JOIN THE DEMOCRATS. . .)
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To: rwfromkansas
No Mormon considers other Christians real Christians. They would say you are going to hell.

Where did that information come from? We don't sit around saying people are going to Hell. We believe all religions have truth. We also believe that not all religions are complete.

116 posted on 11/20/2006 9:08:42 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: concerned about politics
Oh c'mon. That's just plain silly. A Scientologist would use an alien space ship. Sheesh.

Yeah, but it would look like a DC-8.

117 posted on 11/20/2006 9:08:50 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (I dare call it treason.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
40 years ago, his father George got elected to three consecutive terms as governor of Michigan, a state just as heavy in evangelicals then as the American south is now. It is not logical to think Americans have grown more anti-Mormon in the last 40 years.

There must be some reason that the lamestream media is worried about the sheeple not endorsing one of their hand-picked candidates (McClain or Guilani) or they wouldn't even be bringing up this s*** now.

Unless a governor the caliber of Mark Sanford announces, Romney is-- by far-- the best of any of the announced candidates so far from the viewpoint of electability/competence/adherence to principle.

The senate is full of morons who would rather please the press than make good executive decisions. The house just doesn't have anyone capable of putting together the money and name recognition to make a serious run. This leaves the pool pretty much limited to governors and high-profile legislators or former legislators like Newt Gingrich, who has his own history of bimbo problems.

118 posted on 11/20/2006 9:09:04 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Then 53% of evangelicals have ZERO grounds to complain about the bigotry of liberals/secularists who won't vote for an evangelical.

"My bigotry is better than your bigotry" doesn't fly.

AMEN!

119 posted on 11/20/2006 9:09:34 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (I dare call it treason.)
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To: areafiftyone

Christians, to be true to the scripture, MUST understand that believing in Christ is the only way to eternal life. It gets annoying, however, when certain breeds claim to have a monopoly on the proper understanding of what it means to "believe in Christ".


120 posted on 11/20/2006 9:09:38 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: msnimje
Why would Pat Robertson call a member of a Christian church a "non-Christian?"

I think Pat Robertson is a dope. And I have a lot of very good Mormon friends. And I can easily see voting for Romney.

But Mormons just are not Christians. It isn't just the Catholics that believe that they aren't Christians - it is pretty much any mainstream Christian denomination.

This is just basic theology. They don't accept the Trinity. At all. It is what it is - a non-Christian religion.

We can argue all day long about whether a non-Christian can be President, but we can't realistically argue about whether Mormons are Christians. Because they aren't.
121 posted on 11/20/2006 9:10:05 AM PST by horse_doc
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To: rwfromkansas

NO...HE'S NOT GOING TO HELL......JUST YOU!
DOES THAT UPSET YOU....


Get your FACTS straight....Mormons don't believe in the existance of HELL anyway.


122 posted on 11/20/2006 9:10:39 AM PST by baal2006
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To: concerned about politics
Hatch is a Mormon.

He represents a state where a large percentage of voters are Mormon. He'd have a heck of a time winning the presidency.

Lieberman is Jewish. Shumer "the putze" is Jewish.

If you look at the polls, you'll see a huge difference in how the voters view Jews vs. Mormons. Mormons are at a far greater disadvantage.

123 posted on 11/20/2006 9:11:20 AM PST by freespirited (The MSM is the root of all evil.)
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To: areafiftyone

What does Mormon have do with anything? Its the fact that the PRM, which reelects and reelects Kerry and Kennedy, voted him gub'nor that makes me suspicious...


124 posted on 11/20/2006 9:11:50 AM PST by Little Ray
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To: linda_22003
I don't know of any faith that practices anything called "babtism".

Not a 'practice' but a Rite. . .(of passage, if you will and so to speak).

Or. . .am I missing something?

125 posted on 11/20/2006 9:12:00 AM PST by cricket (Live Liberal free. . .or suffer their consequences. . .SAVE THE TERRORISTS! JOIN THE DEMOCRATS. . .)
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To: traderrob6

"The same as Catholicism was when Kennedy ran. It won't stop him as the public sees what they are getting."

No, almost all protestant denominations recognize Roman Catholics as Christians. (The reverse is not necessarily true --- many RCs espouse that protestants are going to Hell, but that is beside the point.)

This is a much more serious divide --- many/most protestant groups do not recognize Mormons as Christians at all.

The same groups preach that God provides protection to the US because of its Christian devotion.

They would opine (again, for right or wrong) that God would no longer protect the US if we "turned away."

Etc.

Again, NOT ADOPTING the merits of this argument. Just stating that it WILL OCCUR and will be a very, very powerful argument to a critical portion of the electorate.


126 posted on 11/20/2006 9:12:17 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: linda_22003

Oh. .. I got iT! You are right. ..no babtism. . .right! And. . .ooops. .. moving too fast here. . .


127 posted on 11/20/2006 9:13:23 AM PST by cricket (Live Liberal free. . .or suffer their consequences. . .SAVE THE TERRORISTS! JOIN THE DEMOCRATS. . .)
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To: TruthWillWin
What about a woman Mormon candidate? Or is that possible?

Most Mormon women are too tired after raising seven children...

128 posted on 11/20/2006 9:13:33 AM PST by Tall_Texan (NO McCain, Rudy, Romney, Hillary, Kerry, Obama or Gore in 2008!)
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To: horse_doc

What basis do you have for the claim that a Christian is, by definition, trinitarian? I'm not necessarily doubting you, I'm just wondering if you can point me to some relevant authority.


129 posted on 11/20/2006 9:13:33 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: zarf
Baptists are soooo huggable and a large percentage of them are in therapy for sexual issues.

Do you have a link to documentation of this incredibly slanderous claim?

130 posted on 11/20/2006 9:14:04 AM PST by Enosh (Say now "Shibboleth", if you can.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
The Nicene Creed was written during the third century. There was even a debate at the time regarding the Trinity.

My belief is that anyone who believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that he died for our sins is a Christian. I believed that was what made a Christian when I was Catholic. I believe it now.

Even mainstream Christianity can't agree amongst the different sects what makes for a "real Christian" a lot of times.

131 posted on 11/20/2006 9:14:15 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: cricket
Or. . .am I missing something?

Yes, the "Spell" button.

132 posted on 11/20/2006 9:15:01 AM PST by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: wagglebee
2. Would you vote for a candidate who has a Muslim-sounding name like Barack Hussein Obama?

What a silly reason not to vote for somebody. It's beneath us.

There are many legitimate reasons not to vote for him - we don't need to make up ludicrous ones.

133 posted on 11/20/2006 9:15:01 AM PST by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

I hope so.


134 posted on 11/20/2006 9:15:04 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: cricket

Yes, you're missing the fact that the word is BAPTISM, not "babtism".


135 posted on 11/20/2006 9:15:07 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: rwfromkansas
SIR, YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T READ. MORMONS THINK YOU ARE GOING TO HELL. THEY SAY YOU AREN'T A CHRISTIAN.
DOES THAT UPSET YOU?
I decide what is Christian based upon the Scriptures.


Just like YOU DO NOT KNOW IF I AM A SIR, Mormons do not know where I am spending the afterlife. And neither do you.

You are not the decider, not matter what your preacher wants you to believe.
136 posted on 11/20/2006 9:15:14 AM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: rwfromkansas
No Mormon considers other Christians real Christians. They would say you are going to hell.

Sorry, I'm not a Mormon, but in this case I have to defend them. I know lots of Mormons. Not one of them will say that I am not a Christian or that I am going to Hell. What they will say is that I will not achieve the same level of exaltation that they do. At the end of the day, Mormonism has a surprisingly universalist streak running through it.

That being said, I don't consider the core of Mormon doctrine to be Christian, although many, if not most of my Mormon friends, I do consider to be Christian in that, to a person, they consider Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross to be the source of their salvation. They go on to add a whole lot of other stuff, by so do most Christians (unfortunately).

No one was ever saved by intellectual assent to proper doctrine. Only by the blood of Christ can one enter heaven.
137 posted on 11/20/2006 9:15:25 AM PST by newheart (The Truth? You can't handle the Truth. But He can handle you.)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
Here's hoping most evangelicals will be more "put off" with the thought of Hillary as president.

Not really. She'll be carrying a Bible, waving incense, wearing a burka complete with an an explosive belt, wearing a wiccan broach, toting around a lesbian mate with a pitch fork, and wearing a Jewish skull cap all at the same time.
Boy golly, she'll have them all fooled.

138 posted on 11/20/2006 9:15:51 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: freespirited
If you look at the polls, you'll see a huge difference in how the voters view Jews vs. Mormons. Mormons are at a far greater disadvantage.

Evangelicals like Jews, although they really don't trust Judaism. On the other hand, Mormons are out to actively recruit their children away, and Jews don't do that.

139 posted on 11/20/2006 9:16:34 AM PST by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: Little Ray

It seems to be a big issue with evangelicals. For me (and I'm a Catholic) religion is NOT an issue.


140 posted on 11/20/2006 9:16:46 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: highball

My point was to illustrate how the left will design polls specifically to smear Republicans, but would never do the same thing to a 'Rat.

They never ran around in 2000 asking people if they would be comfortable having a Jew a heartbeat away from the presidency.


141 posted on 11/20/2006 9:17:17 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: HungarianGypsy

The Mormon faith began because every Christian faith was corrupt and not true according to Smith.


142 posted on 11/20/2006 9:17:59 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: horse_doc
This is just basic theology. They don't accept the Trinity. At all. It is what it is - a non-Christian religion.

But that is a theological argument. I, of course, agree that the Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, but Mormons make great neighbors because they are generally very ethical people. There's no reason why one would not make a good president.

143 posted on 11/20/2006 9:18:08 AM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: horse_doc
This is just basic theology. They don't accept the Trinity. At all. It is what it is - a non-Christian religion.

But that is a theological argument. I, of course, agree that the Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, but Mormons make great neighbors because they are generally very ethical people. There's no reason why one would not make a good president.

144 posted on 11/20/2006 9:18:11 AM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: rwfromkansas
No Mormon considers other Christians real Christians.

"No?" Not one?

They would say you are going to hell.

And how is that different from you thinking THEY will go to hell?
145 posted on 11/20/2006 9:18:41 AM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

In the early sixtys Catholics were considered idol worshipers and not true Christains by many fundamentalists. You are looking at Catholics through todays lense not the prevailing sentiment at that time.

I would hazard to guess that if a similar poll had been taken back then a similar percentage of people would state they would not vote for a Catholic. Romney will educate the public as did Kennedy.


146 posted on 11/20/2006 9:19:09 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: baal2006

That is another heresy then.


147 posted on 11/20/2006 9:19:17 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: linda_22003
you're missing the fact that the word is BAPTISM, not "babtism".

Yes! Hope you caught the final correction. . . Having been 'baptised' know the difference. . .really. ..honest. . .and thanks for pointing out my upsidedown 'p'. . . (thought it looked funny. . .but carried on nonetheless)

148 posted on 11/20/2006 9:19:30 AM PST by cricket (Live Liberal free. . .or suffer their consequences. . .SAVE THE TERRORISTS! JOIN THE DEMOCRATS. . .)
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To: areafiftyone

So that means 57% would. Great!


149 posted on 11/20/2006 9:19:41 AM PST by beckysueb
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To: areafiftyone

I seem to recall that in 1959 most Americans said they would never vote for a Catholic.


150 posted on 11/20/2006 9:20:15 AM PST by dfwgator
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