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It's hard to 'Imagine' that (Elton John "banning religion", deconstructing John Lennon's "Imagine")
Rocky Mountain News column ^ | Friday November 24th, 2006 | Mike Rosen

Posted on 11/24/2006 9:39:11 AM PST by ajolympian2004

Elton John - make that Sir Elton John - recently declared in a magazine interview that "religion should be banned completely." At least he didn't say it should be banned selectively; that might smack of favoritism and discrimination. It seems his animus toward religion is driven largely by his status as a homosexual. He resents religiously based disapproval of his lifestyle and says that religion directs "hatred towards gay people." His ironic remedy is that religious intolerance, as he sees it, shouldn't be tolerated. He's also critical of religious leaders for not coming together to end war.

Now, Elton John is a talented musician. But like so many right-brained artsy types, he's given more to emoting than to reasoning or practicality. It's certainly true that throughout history religious differences have sometimes led to war. But he hasn't explained just how he'd "ban" religion or how the ban would be enforced. Would he have our armies go to war against religion? And would they first shoot their chaplains? What would Americans do with our First Amendment guarantee of religious freedom and those pesky references to "God" and the "Creator" in the Declaration of Independence?

Of course, Sir Elton is not to be taken seriously. He's just venting. As long as the vast majority of humans believe in one form of deity or another, there will be religion - for better or worse.

In the midst of his ramblings, Elton John invoked the memory of John Lennon, saying that if he were alive today he'd be fighting for peace (my oxymoron, not his). Which reminded me of Lennon's epic song, Imagine. Baby boomer romantic nostalgia notwithstanding, the puerile lyrics of that tune sound like a collaboration of Karl Marx, Cindy Sheehan and Dennis Kucinich.

Imagine there's no heaven/It's easy if you try/No hell below us/Above us only sky/Imagine all the people/Living for today

Even if you don't believe in rewards or punishment in the hereafter, responsible adults don't live just for today. They defer gratification and save for a rainy day and retirement. Think of the parable of the grasshopper and the ant.

Imagine there's no countries/It isn't hard to do/Nothing to kill or die for/And no religion, too/Imagine all the people/Living life in peace

No, I can't imagine that. It's anti-historical and contrary to human nature. People are inherently tribal and nationalistic. They band together, linked by common cultures, superstitions, beliefs, values and preferred systems of political economy.

You may say that I'm a dreamer/But I'm not the only one/I hope someday you'll join us/And the world will be as one

You're a dreamer. Never happen. The only way the world would be as one is under the guns of a militaristic, totalitarian regime. And even that would only be temporary. Empires invariably fall.

Imagine no possessions/I wonder if you can/No need for greed or hunger/A brotherhood of man/Imagine all the people/Sharing all the world

Good heavens, no! This is right out of The Communist Manifesto. No possessions? You mean no property rights? That means no rewards, no incentives, no creativity and very little production. Moochers living off a dwindling pool of hard workers. Who's going to harvest the crops while the "dreamers" are smoking dope and flashing peace signs with that silly grin on their faces? What everyone owns, no one owns. Think of the graffiti on the walls of community-owned property like a New York City subway station men's room. By comparison, have you ever seen graffiti on the walls of a bathroom in someone's private home?

You may say that I'm a dreamer/But I'm not the only one/I hope someday you'll join us/And the world will be as one

He's repeating himself. We've already covered that. Where's Mister Hold Button when I really need him?

End of song.

When I discussed this on my radio show recently, a well-meaning but hopelessly idealistic woman called in and defended Lennon's message as "aspirational," as in a lofty and hopeful goal. I responded that as an ambitious goal-setter myself, I've aspired to many things in life and proudly accomplished some of them. But I don't believe in setting your sights on things that are impossible to achieve or counterproductive. That's a formula for wasted effort, failure and frustration.

Remarkably, the woman described herself as a devout Christian whose "aspirations" apparently didn't include renouncing her faith. Islamofascists also have no interest in discarding their predatory religious beliefs, either. They just want you to give up yours. Imagine that.

Mike Rosen's radio show airs daily from 9 a.m. to noon on 850 KOA. He can be reached by e-mail at mikerosen@850koa.com


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To: Vince Ferrer

As sad a senseless death as that was, you are correct. It turned into a three ring circus. I wasn't a big fan of hers, but I was sorry to hear of her death.

The vacant addoration was so over the top it's pointless to address. Someone will come unglued and attack. My wife among them... LOL.

I have a very low tolerence for public people who glom on to events like this to enhance the experience to the point of absurdity. Bill Clinton is an excellent case in point.

Who appointed that numbskull to be the chief 'Eugooglyizer' for the nation?


21 posted on 11/24/2006 11:34:57 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: ajolympian2004
"Imagine"

The title says it all. It could have easily been "What If?" or "If Only"........Feh.

FMCDH(BITS)

22 posted on 11/24/2006 2:45:49 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: ajolympian2004

My lyrics to "Imagine":

Imagine there's no heaven,
It isn't hard to tell
No heaven above us,
Below us only Hell......


23 posted on 11/24/2006 3:29:26 PM PST by MuttTheHoople
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To: PRO 1; kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul; Tax-chick; NYer
I had a friend of mine that always said the song Imagine is a chickensh!t song.

I could not agree more.

So Elton's mad because Christians believe in morality?

They never quite get it that the morality Christians profess is for the salvation of the soul. The supreme act of love.

24 posted on 11/25/2006 5:21:59 AM PST by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: Northern Yankee

It's a totally dopey song, and I find the thought of Elton John to be a near occasion of sin.

All of us deserve condemnation, except by the unmerited grace of God through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ (says the well-catechised Christian), but the mother of five little boys would like to see E.J. in hell.


25 posted on 11/25/2006 5:25:45 AM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: Tax-chick
And the British Crown Knighted this guy?

Sir Winston Churchill must be rolling in his grave.

I imagine (No pun intended) that this kind of nonsense is going to get worse before it gets better.

Thank goodness we have our faith that will help us wade through this kind of garbage.

Good Morning!

26 posted on 11/25/2006 5:32:37 AM PST by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: ajolympian2004; Tax-chick
Imagine no possessions/I wonder if you can

Imagine if the Beatles had given all their wealth away? Funny isn't it? The very song that extolls no possessions certainly awarded Lennon many.

27 posted on 11/25/2006 5:37:57 AM PST by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: ajolympian2004

Rosen nails "Imagine." Stupid song.


28 posted on 11/25/2006 5:48:12 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Northern Yankee
I imagine (No pun intended) that this kind of nonsense is going to get worse before it gets better.

I agree, because the more this behavior is celebrated, the more it spreads.

If they didn't know they were doing wrong, they wouldn't be so pathologically sensitive to disapproval. What's a Christian going to do to someone like Elton John, or Andrew Sullivan? Sigh, pray for their conversion (and keep her sons as far away as possible). Is it the last point, that really upsets them?

29 posted on 11/25/2006 6:53:51 AM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: Tax-chick
I think when people like Elton John really look deep into their soul, they are gonna find a mess.

You can also bet that as they lay dying, they will seek the Lord's forgiveness. And he will grant it.

They will come to that crossroads eventually.

30 posted on 11/25/2006 7:16:12 AM PST by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN

When Elton sang to Kiki Dee:

Don't go breaking my heart.

Kiki said:

I couldn't if I tried.

Nuff said!


31 posted on 11/25/2006 2:23:44 PM PST by NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN ('he who creates something worthwhile, never dies.')
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To: knarf

"Faggots know they are wrong and will not/cannot 'win'"



Not in eternity! But they might win on this Earth.


But faggots, adulterers, and thieves will all burn in hell one day, reguardless of their riches on Earth! God will punish the fags and the people who have sex outside of marriage (or those who divorce and remarry). He will smite them all, make no doubt about it.


Anyone who is reading my post and wants to be forgiven, PM me so I can teach you how you can enter the kingdom of heaven.


32 posted on 11/25/2006 2:30:22 PM PST by TNLawyer (Feminazis the world over can shut up now!)
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