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Facing gun, merchant shoots 3
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | Mon, Nov. 27, 2006 | Joel Bewley

Posted on 11/27/2006 4:52:03 AM PST by grjr21

It was clear to John Lee that the four guys who came into his East Germantown deli Saturday night would not be paying customers.

"They all had their hoodies pulled tight, and it wasn't a cold night," said Lee, 48, owner of the Chelten Market at Chelten Avenue and Musgrave Street. "I said, 'You need to take off your hoodies,' then one of them came around the counter with his gun drawn, so I shot them."

Lee fired five rounds from his .38-caliber revolver, striking three of the bandits and rupturing a water line, police said. The gunman dropped his loaded 9mm pistol as he and his wounded partners fled the store. Lee found a fourth would-be robber - who had not been shot - hiding in the rear of the store.

"He had a BB gun on him, so I took it," Lee said. "Then I beat him up and took his boots and called police."

All four suspects - three juveniles and a man, 22 - were listed yesterday in stable condition at area hospitals, police said. Their names were not released.

The two juveniles were shot in the neck and leg, and the man was hit in the chest, police said.

They were charged with armed robbery, as was a fifth person who waited outside as the driver. The suspect detained by Lee was arrested when police arrived. The others were arrested after driving to Temple University Hospital in the same Dodge Intrepid they allegedly planned to use as the getaway car.

No charges were filed against Lee, who said he was taken to Temple a couple of hours later to identify two of the suspects.

Police took Lee's gun, which he said is legally owned, as well as the recording made by the store's surveillance cameras.

The group is suspected of holding up a bar 15 minutes before trying to hit Lee's store, Detective Michael Cannon said.

"They are also being investigated for robberies in other parts of the city," he said.

State Rep. Dwight Evans, who lives a neighborhood away in West Oak Lane, had no criticism for Lee's actions.

Evans is expected to run next year for mayor, with a pillar of his platform being the need to find ways to reduce violence.

"He was doing what he had to do to protect himself," Evans said. "This is an issue we will continue to face. Public safety has to become a priority for the city government."

It's not the first time Lee has wounded someone trying to hold up his store; he shot a man last year on Labor Day weekend.

Tim Rosser, who works at the market as a cook and lives in the area, said Lee is known in the neighborhood as someone residents can come to for help.

"He has the respect of the people around here," said Rosser, 42. "The people who cause trouble at the store are strangers."

Lee was thankful he was working behind the counter instead of his wife.

"I didn't tell her about the robbery yet because I didn't want to upset her," he said yesterday morning. "She's at church right now. Her prayers must be working for us."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; germantown; paarmedcitizen; philadelphia
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"He had a BB gun on him, so I took it," Lee said. "Then I beat him up and took his boots and called police."

Things like this make me feel all warm and fuzzy.
1 posted on 11/27/2006 4:52:05 AM PST by grjr21
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Let's hope this story continues to have a happy ending!

I wouldn't be surprised of one of the "victims" (/s) tries to sue. He should be prepared to counter-sue.

2 posted on 11/27/2006 4:56:07 AM PST by Toadman (I voted)
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Lee said. "Then I beat him up and took his boots and called police."

This is just too good.

3 posted on 11/27/2006 4:58:17 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (Personal responsibilty; the remedy for PC.)
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To: grjr21

That quote will not play too well in front of a jury, though. He should have consulted his lawyer before talking to the press.


4 posted on 11/27/2006 4:59:25 AM PST by Brilliant
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too bad he didnt make them all "good".

as in 'the only good hoodie wearing mofo thug robber is a DEAD hoodie wearing mofo thug robber...'

5 posted on 11/27/2006 4:59:28 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: grjr21

All four suspects - three juveniles and a man, 22 - were listed yesterday in stable condition at area hospitals, police said. Their names were not released.

The two juveniles were shot in the neck and leg, and the man was hit in the chest, police said.



Good job on the store owners part but once again proof that the .38 isn't really up to the task. .357 mag or .40 are the absolute minimum calibers you need to have.


6 posted on 11/27/2006 4:59:49 AM PST by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
BANG!
7 posted on 11/27/2006 5:02:19 AM PST by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) "If God is not, everything is permitted." Fyodor Dostoyevsky)
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Backup alert!
"Police took his gun."
Should be a special rule for gun safety in the city: Never own just one gun. Use it and lose it!


8 posted on 11/27/2006 5:07:01 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: grjr21

Great story, I especially liked the part where he beat the kids butt who was hiding in his store with a BB gun.


Too bad double tapping isnt allowed.


9 posted on 11/27/2006 5:08:36 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: saganite

.38 Special with hollow points should do nicely. He can obviously hit with his revolver. I'd hate to see him start missing ;-)


10 posted on 11/27/2006 5:10:40 AM PST by SampleMan
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...then one of them came around the counter with his gun drawn, so I shot them.

Excellent...

11 posted on 11/27/2006 5:12:01 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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The best quote from the story is "...Public safety has to become a priority for city government."
Better late than never.
12 posted on 11/27/2006 5:12:20 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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With guns being illegal in D.C. shop owners simply have to let the criminals shoot them. Unbelievable how cruel the D.C. politicians are. Makes me wonder if they laugh each time an honest business man/woman gets held up by someone with a gun.


13 posted on 11/27/2006 5:17:37 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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"They all had their hoodies pulled tight, and it wasn't a cold night..."

Profiling can be a good thing.
14 posted on 11/27/2006 5:18:21 AM PST by MaryFromMichigan
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Police took Lee's gun, which he said is legally owned...

This crap has got to stop!

The cops should not be able to disarm citizens just because they protected themselves!


15 posted on 11/27/2006 5:23:42 AM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: G Larry

Why would they take his gun other than for ballistics reasons? And then it should be returned.


16 posted on 11/27/2006 5:30:13 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: Toadman

A "hoodie", I assume (never before having heard the word) is a hooded sweatshirt?

If an individual enters my establishment wearing one pulled up tight, plus baggy pants hanging halfway down his colorful boxers and no-lace basketball sneakers, shouldn't I be allowed to take preemptive action? Wearing that "uniform" seems to be the equivalent of wearing a beard and screaming "Allahu akbar" in a crowded place, a clear and present danger. < /half sarc >


17 posted on 11/27/2006 5:31:15 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: grjr21

Let me guess the ethnicity of the perps.


18 posted on 11/27/2006 5:31:16 AM PST by Redleg Duke (¡Salga de los Estados Unidos de America, invasor!)
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To: Rummyfan

Nope!
They'll keep it until all prosecutions and appeals are complete.
Then it'll take 6 months to get it back.


19 posted on 11/27/2006 5:33:02 AM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: grjr21

Truely, a heart-warming holiday story.


20 posted on 11/27/2006 5:33:51 AM PST by lormand (Happy Thanksgiving to the turkeys at the Weiner thread)
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