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Organ transplants: Go to China or lose daughters
YNet ^ | Nov. 27, 2006 | Meital Yasur-Beit Or

Posted on 11/27/2006 10:05:31 AM PST by Alouette

Knesset's Heath Committee discusses China organ transplants. Opposers claim organs obtained by killing prisoners

Meital Yasur-Beit Or Published: 11.27.06, 19:06

A father of two girls in need of organ transplants pleaded with the Knesset's Health Committee Monday: "I have two options – to collect donations to go to China, or to lose my daughters, this situation could happen to anyone in the country, don’t cancel the China option at the expense of my daughters".

"My 13 and 17 year old daughters are waiting for transplants in Israel . I wish they would get them here. We believe in the medical system here, but the option of a transplant in China could save their lives", says Ron Wahnun, the girls' father.

The Wahnun family suffers of a genetic disease, his nephew died while awaiting a transplant and his wife's life was saved upon recently receiving a transplant.

Doctors and human rights activists who were present at the hearing testified that the Chinese use organs of prisoners on death row. Because of the lack of donors in Israel, people in need of a transplant have flown abroad and been saved.

Dr Yaakov Lavi, head of the Heart Transplant Unit at the Sheba Medical Center, described how prisoners are "executed by order, under pretext of a sedative, the doctor gives them a shot to dilute their blood, this is important for cropping the organ for transplant. A special ambulance without license plates waits the execution and collects the body for cropping organs."

Dr Lavi claimed that if the health organizations spent one percent of the money they spent on funding the transplants on a campaign to encourage donating organs in Israel, the problem could be solved.

In Israel, only 7 percent of the population hold donors cards, as opposed to a record 40 percent in other countries. Furthermore, only 50 percent of families of deceased agree to donate their loved ones organs, compared to 80 percent in other developed countries.

In light of the situation in China, the Ministry of Health stated that the health clinics are responsible for making sure that the organs come from a legal source before funding the transplants.

A clear conscience

Clallit Heath Services representative Freddy Rosenfeld said, "We fund transplants in China upon receiving an official document from the hospitals administration stating that the source of the donation is following accidental death of disease. Without this document we don’t pay. This gives us a clear conscience. If the Ministry of Heath decided not to send patients to China, we won't."

Leumit and Meuhedet HMOs heal clinic's representatives also claim they oppose transplants in China, but in two cases a patient took them to court and forced them to fund the transplants.

The head of the medical department in the Rabbinate, Rabbi Zvi Shafran, is in favor of the transplants: "If the people are put executed anyway, I see no wrong in taking their organs for transplants, if it is to save a life."

Abraham Abramson, who has undergone a transplant in China, said that 14 people were saved thanks to transplants in China. He himself was number 127 on the waiting list in Israel, in five years half of the patients had died.

Another transplantee, Moti Friedman, said: "I cant fix the law in China, I knew that people were executed there, but if I didn’t show up, the man would have been executed anyway."

MK Zahava Gal-On (Meretz), one of the discussions initiators, said that the transplantees' stories were heartbreaking, but that "we cannot turn body parts into merchandise for sale."

Health Committee Chairman MK Moshe Sharoni (Pensioner's party) closed the meeting by saying that the committee is against organ trade and will push talks regarding legislating a law in the matter of organ transplants in Israel.

He called upon the Ministry of Health to cooperate with transplant centers that work legally and ethically, and called upon the health clinics to provide publicity to encourage donating organs.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; transplants
But according to the Arab media and the Guardian, Israelis are using the organs of Palestinian women and children!
1 posted on 11/27/2006 10:05:33 AM PST by Alouette
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2 posted on 11/27/2006 10:05:56 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 35-38)
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To: Alouette

Tough situation.


3 posted on 11/27/2006 10:11:53 AM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: All

This sort of situation is exactly the reason organ sales should be legalized.


4 posted on 11/27/2006 10:15:48 AM PST by pnh102
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To: cripplecreek

Yes it is. I don't think I would want a transplant from China. I heard from my doctor about a woman who needed a liver, couldn't get one here so they spent over 100 grand and got one in China. There were problems with it and she died a year later. I may need a liver in the future but hopefully the things I am doing now will prevent that need. If I do need one I won't get it from there in any case.


5 posted on 11/27/2006 10:19:27 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: Alouette

The "executed" prisoners aren't even dead yet when the "surgeons" rush to remove the organs.


6 posted on 11/27/2006 10:19:51 AM PST by Solamente (Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out...)
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To: Alouette
"The Wahnun family suffers of a genetic disease,..."

That ought to be a good clue to not have kids in the first place. They shouldn't be using Chinese prisoners for spare parts.

7 posted on 11/27/2006 10:29:01 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: John Williams

I would not be surprised if they knew beforehand about the possibility of genetic defects, but even so, the Chinese are not after market people parts.


9 posted on 11/27/2006 10:46:26 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: pnh102

Or transplants abolished.


10 posted on 11/27/2006 11:28:14 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: pandoraou812

There are always "problems" after a transplant.


11 posted on 11/27/2006 11:29:05 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Alouette

Alouette, any idea why there is such a low percentage of organ donors in Israel? Is there anything in Judaism that would discourage it?


12 posted on 11/27/2006 11:42:52 AM PST by To Hell With Poverty
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To: Mamzelle
According to my dr the liver already had problems before the transplant. They don't come with a guarantee.
13 posted on 11/27/2006 11:47:46 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: To Hell With Poverty

"Is there anything in Judaism that would discourage it?"

No.


14 posted on 11/27/2006 3:16:01 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: To Hell With Poverty

In support (keep reading down):

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=587&o=187650

(I suppose there could be some complications w/Kohain, but nothing that can't be worked around. I think the issue is more that Israelis are careful people and don't do as many stupid things that leave good, healthy, corpses around.)


15 posted on 11/27/2006 3:19:41 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Interesting site, thank you!

My sister-in-law, an RN, likes to call motorcycles "donor mobiles", I guess they would qualify as one of those "stupid things". ;)


16 posted on 11/27/2006 3:47:29 PM PST by To Hell With Poverty
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To: To Hell With Poverty

It's a neat site, but with a Kabbalistic/Chasid bend.

Take with a grain of salt.


17 posted on 11/27/2006 3:48:54 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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