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White Flight 'Increasing Segregation' (UK)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11-28-2006 | Philip Johnson

Posted on 11/27/2006 6:55:39 PM PST by blam

White flight 'increasing segregation'

By Philip Johnston, Home Affairs Editor
Last Updated: 2:01am GMT 28/11/2006

The flight of the middle classes from the inner cities is threatening to undo 30 years of progress that has made Britain the best place in Europe for ethnic minorities, the country's race equality chief said yesterday.

Trevor Phillips, the outgoing chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality (CRE), said increased polarisation and segregation in areas deserted by the better-off was "the great threat" to the development of a diverse and harmonious society.

Trevor Phillips: warnings

Speaking at a conference in London to mark the 30th anniversary of the Race Relations Act, which set up the CRE, he said: "Britain is by far the best place in Europe to live if you are not white."

But he feared that trends unforeseen in the 1970s were placing this in jeopardy.

"As a nation we are becoming more ethnically segregated by residence and inequality is being amplified by our separate lives," he said.

"The real crisis lies in the areas which the middle-class minorities are leaving behind — areas which are becoming more and more ethnically concentrated and exclusive."

Research commissioned by the CRE for the convention showed that despite the greater number of ethnic minorities in Britain, few mixed. Two out of three people hardly ever choose to meet someone of a different ethnicity in their own homes.

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A quarter of Britons want to live in an all-white area and more than half — including those from ethnic minorities — think there is too much immigration. More and more communities were "shut off" and vulnerable to political and religious extremism.

Mr Phillips said the public education system should be teaching children to live together but appeared to be doing the opposite. Nine of the country's best universities did not have more than 30 African Caribbean students.

His warnings about deepening divisions have landed him in hot water with some race lobbyists and led Ken Livingstone, the London mayor, to boycott the conference.

But Mr Phillips has become increasingly concerned that the departure of the predominantly white middle classes from the inner cities — and out of the country altogether in some cases — will make the creation of a multi-ethnic society harder to achieve.

advertisementHe said the ethnic changes taking place in parts of our country were the most rapid ever known.

"But the change isn't just one of sheer numbers. It is also characterised by a new fierceness with which people express the aspects of their identity — heritage, ethnicity, faith — that make them different from their neighbours."

Official internal migration figures show that white and ethnic minority communities are becoming increasingly separated by growing levels of population movement.

A study last year based on the 2001 census found evidence for the first time in Britain of what is known in America as "white flight", as middle-class families — including those of Asian background in some parts of England — leave areas of high ethnic minority populations.

Opening the convention, Ruth Kelly, the Communities Secretary, said: "The challenge is how we ensure diversity does not become separation. It is about the hard graft of breaking down distrust and building up a shared sense of purpose and belonging, about creating opportunities for interaction as well as respecting differences."


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KEYWORDS: flight; itsforyourowngood; segregation; sillyconcepts; uk; weareheretohelpyou; white; youwillcomply
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1 posted on 11/27/2006 6:55:42 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Maybe they should check Jackson, Mississippi out first.


2 posted on 11/27/2006 6:58:11 PM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: blam

The whites are running from Muslims more than color.


3 posted on 11/27/2006 6:59:34 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: blam
Forced integration is worse than voluntary segregration.

There, I said it. Now I can never be President. =D
4 posted on 11/27/2006 7:00:18 PM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: blam
Maybe the authorities should FORCE people to live in integrated areas. The right of free association interferes with racial integration, so that right has to go. I know it sounds draconian, but sometimes people have to forced to do the right thing for themselves and for Der Fuhrer ... er, I mean, for the Fatherland ... darn! I mean the Collective.

Sieg Heil!

5 posted on 11/27/2006 7:07:33 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: blam

"It is also characterised by a new fierceness with which people express the aspects of their identity — heritage, ethnicity, faith — that make them different from their neighbours."

Isn't that the point of all the multiculturalism BS - to celebrate our differences?


6 posted on 11/27/2006 7:09:03 PM PST by Radio_Silence
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Exactly. Cultural incompatibility is beyond repair.


7 posted on 11/27/2006 7:09:44 PM PST by alecqss
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To: blam

Threatening to undo? That's like threatening to undo a hole in your roof.


8 posted on 11/27/2006 7:11:22 PM PST by villagerjoel (US of A!!!)
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To: TeenagedConservative
"Forced integration is worse than voluntary segregration."

I'd vote for you.

9 posted on 11/27/2006 7:12:25 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: IronJack

I would use another tactic. Rather than force people to stay, they should force some of the minorities to MOVE to the new places to keep the 'balance' they find so important.


10 posted on 11/27/2006 7:12:49 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
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To: blam

What are the minorities afraid of? Afraid crimes are goign to increase? Gee- I thought it was the crackers that kept them down? Now that white folks are moving out, they'er complaining? Danged if you do, danged if you don'ty I guess. http://sacredscoop.com


11 posted on 11/27/2006 7:12:58 PM PST by CottShop
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To: blam
Amazing how a multicultural paradigm has the power to force people into thinking in terms they know are wrong, isn't it? We begin by talking about an economic entity called the "middle class" which is demonstrably moving and immediately and uncritically shift into conversations about race and diversity as if they were the same thing. They aren't. What is more, those speaking in such terms admit it:

...middle-class families — including those of Asian background in some parts of England — leave areas of high ethnic minority populations.

Nonsense. I'll tell you exactly what is happening - law-abiding and successful people wish to live with one another regardless of race, and wish to avoid the non-law-abiding and proudly unsuccessful at any cost no matter what their race. This is true particularly in places where the state actually protects the non-law-abiding and maintains an atmosphere where to be successful is to be guilty of some vague social crime and worse, is grounds for having the protection of the state withheld. Race, culture, sexual preference, and all the other ridiculous icons of the multicultis are entirely irrelevant.

12 posted on 11/27/2006 7:13:32 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: blam
People wil vote with their feet.

Phillips is worried that there won't be enough middle-class whites in the cities to support the ethnics there.....

13 posted on 11/27/2006 7:14:34 PM PST by expatpat
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To: blam
Isn't it interesting that "white flight" and the resultant "concentration of minorities" in a community is viewed as a step down? Why is that? Is there something inherently unsavory about that end result? What prompted the "white flight"?
14 posted on 11/27/2006 7:20:06 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Balding_Eagle
hey should force some of the minorities to MOVE to the new places to keep the 'balance' they find so important.

Good idea.

Abdul, you can choose this delightful two-bedroom yurt in Scorpionview, or the split-level cave in Squalorville. We think you'd be more comfortable there. The schools are top-notch, even though they're all blown up. Roads are narrow enough for IED practice, And there's a mosque on every corner, complete with raving imam, explosives in the basement, and money-laundering facilities for those midnight arms purchases.

15 posted on 11/27/2006 7:23:01 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Billthedrill
Well said.

Just remember that everything that the lefties consider bad is "Whitey's Fault"./sarc

16 posted on 11/27/2006 7:23:57 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Billthedrill

Yeah - what YOU said.


17 posted on 11/27/2006 7:24:15 PM PST by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Billthedrill; TeenagedConservative
People self-segregate all the time.

Soon, individuals will be charged for not dating inter-racially. Hell- even not dating the same gender will be called "discrimination" and a civil rights violation.

18 posted on 11/27/2006 7:25:05 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: blam
"The challenge is how we ensure diversity does not become separation."

Thats the money quote. Diversity almost always ensures seperation.

19 posted on 11/27/2006 7:28:02 PM PST by andyssister
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To: Myrddin
Isn't it interesting that "white flight" and the resultant "concentration of minorities" in a community is viewed as a step down? Why is that? Is there something inherently unsavory about that end result?

Excellent point.

20 posted on 11/27/2006 7:29:44 PM PST by ILS21R
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To: blam
But Mr Phillips has become increasingly concerned that the departure of the predominantly white middle classes from the inner cities — and out of the country altogether in some cases — will make the creation of a multi-ethnic society harder to achieve.

Social engineers like this person always look on people the way zookeepers look at their animals.

21 posted on 11/27/2006 7:32:51 PM PST by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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To: expatpat
My husband and I bought our first home in South San Diego as newlyweds based on the great deal for a large house. Later I got a job as a Customs Inspector at the border, and every morning like clockwork we had thousands of Mexicans crossing the border every morning to take their kids to US schools. They wanted a better (and free) education for their kids in the U.S. They lied on their school paperwork and provided addresses of friends or family to get the kids enrolled. They didn't contribute one cent toward the taxes that support the school. By the time I had a baby of my own I was wiser about why good schools and a safe neighborhood is important for raising a child. I was reading about how poorly the scores were for kids in the local schools, and back then, they held up the entire class to keep pace with the slowest student.

By the time my daughter was school age I had been transferred from San Diego to Orange County. My kids went to better schools and lived in a safer neighborhood. White flight? You bet.
22 posted on 11/27/2006 7:33:17 PM PST by passionfruit
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To: blam
Maybe if the British police would enforce the criminal laws, as opposed to the politically correct crap, and the British law permitted deadly force in self-defense, and defense of homes, this wouldn't be happening.

But the idjits think they can make water flow uphill.

23 posted on 11/27/2006 7:36:51 PM PST by Thud
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To: blam

Anybody know where Trev lives? It would be nice to know if he puts his family where his mouth is.


24 posted on 11/27/2006 7:38:37 PM PST by hometoroost (TSA = Thousands Standing Around)
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To: Billthedrill

Bill you are exactly right & I REALLY wish scum like Sharpton and Jackson would quit with the garbage 'racist' remarks when describing why in situations liek this.


25 posted on 11/27/2006 7:38:51 PM PST by CottShop
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To: IronJack
Now THAT sounds like something they would try.

"Maybe the authorities should FORCE people to live in integrated areas. The right of free association interferes with racial integration, so that right has to go. I know it sounds draconian, but sometimes people have to forced to do the right thing for themselves and for Der Fuhrer ... er, I mean, for the Fatherland ... darn! I mean the Collective."

26 posted on 11/27/2006 7:38:50 PM PST by Thud
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To: struggle

Those 'ethnically concentrated' communities must have something that attracts...low lifes


27 posted on 11/27/2006 7:39:56 PM PST by plangent
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To: struggle

Those 'ethnically concentrated' communities must have something that attracts...low lifes


28 posted on 11/27/2006 7:40:01 PM PST by plangent
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To: TeenagedConservative

I don't get it...when Muslims want to live with Muslims...that makes sense. When Indians wish to live in communities with Indians...Well, that's ok...but when White want to live with whites, that's RACISM....ARGH.


29 posted on 11/27/2006 7:40:41 PM PST by Hildy (RUDY GUILIANI FOR PRESIDENT IN 2008)
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To: blam

Trevor! Here's an idea chap. Forced busing. It worked so well here in the Colonies...it's sure to be a bang up success in the UK.


30 posted on 11/27/2006 7:40:47 PM PST by WideGlide (That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
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To: IronJack

Hey you are on a roll.


31 posted on 11/27/2006 7:41:28 PM PST by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: blam
We had our own Trevor Phillips here:

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Mary Frances Berry of the Civil Rights Commission. (:^*)

32 posted on 11/27/2006 7:44:47 PM PST by WideGlide (That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
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To: blam
Alternate headline:

SOCIAL UTOPIANS FRUSTRATED BY EXERCISE OF FREE WILL

33 posted on 11/27/2006 7:46:39 PM PST by Disambiguator (This tagline is brought to you by the letter "S" with a slash in front of it.)
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To: blam
The social engineers just don't get it... society in general does not think as they do. Society in general, only a portion likes a cultural milkshake. The majority and gasp! They would never admit to it aloud, would rather live among their own race.
34 posted on 11/27/2006 7:48:00 PM PST by sit-rep ( http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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Official internal migration figures show that white and ethnic minority communities are becoming increasingly separated by growing levels of population movement. A study last year based on the 2001 census found evidence for the first time in Britain of what is known in America as "white flight", as middle-class families — including those of Asian background in some parts of England — leave areas of high ethnic minority(aka freeloaders) populations.

It never cease to amaze me, about the "white man" syndrome been the root cause for every/any society Malay.
Yet, all those holier that thou so called "white oppressed minorities" peg their social downfall on the "white flight".

It looks like we "whiteys" aren't such a turds afterall...the minorities are needing us to prop up their life style!

35 posted on 11/27/2006 7:48:47 PM PST by danmar (Tomorrow's life is too late. Live today!)
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To: Balding_Eagle
"...they should force some of the minorities to MOVE to the new places to keep the 'balance' they find so important."

No, they should use forced busing of students first. That will cause a few cities to burn down. Just like happened here 38 years ago.

36 posted on 11/27/2006 7:54:08 PM PST by BobS
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To: blam
This problem can easily be remedied via social reeducation whilst simultaneously imposing "relocation taxes" or other financial penalties and disincentives, such as property confiscation, upon the offenders. If need be, forced drugging may be necessary in oder to correct this socially improper behavior.
37 posted on 11/27/2006 7:55:36 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Democracy: The worst form of government, except for all the others.)
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To: TeenagedConservative

I agree. And it is anti freedom of association. Also they never say anything Negative about how other race groups seem to flock together. It is considered cute and cultural. Just think China Town, Little Italy, New Orleans, Muslim in Detroit, Asian communities etc.


38 posted on 11/27/2006 7:57:18 PM PST by therut
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To: villagerjoel
"Threatening to undo? That's like threatening to undo a hole in your roof."

Excellent logic.

39 posted on 11/27/2006 7:59:06 PM PST by blam
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To: sit-rep
"The social engineers just don't get it... society in general does not think as they do."

They should be forced to live next door to a crack house for a year as part of their Doctorate.

40 posted on 11/27/2006 8:01:43 PM PST by BobS
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To: Myrddin
"Isn't it interesting that "white flight" and the resultant "concentration of minorities" in a community is viewed as a step down? "

Very interesting observation.

41 posted on 11/27/2006 8:02:30 PM PST by blam
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
" If need be, forced drugging may be necessary in oder to correct this socially improper behavior."

To help spread the community spirit?

42 posted on 11/27/2006 8:10:08 PM PST by BobS
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To: blam

I think within the city limits of Detroit the population is 85% black. If an ethnic city was ever going to work that should be the perfect proving grounds.

They control everything. Government, schools, police, business, housing, etc.

Crime is off high end of the scale, the graduation rate is something like 25%, unemployment around 30%, not sure about the welfare rate but 50% might be a good guess, and they have no tax base.

You guessed it...They blame the problems on whites leaving and taking all the good jobs with them.


43 posted on 11/27/2006 8:20:11 PM PST by Beagle8U (Angry voters tend to make poor choices politically.....Unfortunately we all have to live with them.)
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"I think within the city limits of Detroit the population is 85% black."

I read a study about white flight. It said that Black/White communities were very stable until it reached a 'tipping-point' of 23% Blacks to Whites. Whites start leaving when the Black population reaches 23% and it's a stampede by the time it reaches 25%.

44 posted on 11/27/2006 8:30:48 PM PST by blam
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To: Beagle8U

Best thing that happened to me was move out of Detroit. I was the the minority on my block. (the only caucasian) Wife & I went back a few years ago, her parents house was torched, my parents house had no roof, both our grandparents houses were vacant lots, and our house was in the process of being raided by the DEA. Our deceased family members are doing somersaults in their graves.


45 posted on 11/27/2006 8:38:18 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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"stampede by the time it reaches 25%"

Kinda makes you wonder how long it took to go from 25-85%?

Its not even safe to drive through there in the daytime now.

They drop cement blocks on cars from the overpasses.


46 posted on 11/27/2006 8:42:02 PM PST by Beagle8U (Angry voters tend to make poor choices politically.....Unfortunately we all have to live with them.)
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You guessed it...They blame the problems on whites leaving and taking all the good jobs with them.

Zimbabwe is an interesting example. Killing or driving off the white farmers off the land has resulted in famine, unemployment and high rates of crime. Why can't the majority feed themselves when given free access to all the "best" land? That was the excuse for confiscation of the land cultivated by the white farmers.

There is much more to being a virtuoso than the mere possession of a fine instrument.

47 posted on 11/27/2006 8:43:45 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Westlander

I wont even drive through there if I can avoid it. I sure as heck would never stop for anything.


48 posted on 11/27/2006 8:44:50 PM PST by Beagle8U (Angry voters tend to make poor choices politically.....Unfortunately we all have to live with them.)
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To: IronJack
Yeah, a little barbed wire around the block and keep those people in their place. And furthermore they could tattoo numbers on their arms the better to keep track of them and keep them in their proper areas.

I think the world is going insane.
49 posted on 11/27/2006 8:46:58 PM PST by pepperdog
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To: Westlander
The neighborhood where I grew up is now a hispanic barrio. Graffiti all over the place. Drug deals on the streets. Gunshots heard through the night. It was a white, middle class neighborhood when I was a young kid in the early 60's. Houses were nicely maintained, crime was non-existent. What a change.

The house where I raised my kids in Mira Mesa (northern San Diego) was in transformation to a hispanic barrio by the time I left in 2000. The Circle K built in 1985 had more ads in Spanish than English by 2000. One of the two movie theaters had been demolished, the other converted to Vietnamese market. Some of the kids from the old neighborhood have been killed in drive by shootings. Leaving that place was a good idea.

50 posted on 11/27/2006 8:52:53 PM PST by Myrddin
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