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America, Not Keith Ellison What Book A Congressman Takes His Oath On (Dennis Prager Alert)
Townhall.com ^ | 11/28/2006 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 11/27/2006 9:43:24 PM PST by goldstategop

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To: goldstategop

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21 posted on 11/27/2006 10:21:09 PM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: taxesareforever
We heard you the first two times.

;)

22 posted on 11/27/2006 10:21:18 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Note: Sell Diebold Stock.................NOW!!)
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To: goldstategop

Yuck. I can't stand the thought of a the Koran being in the halls of Congress . . .


23 posted on 11/27/2006 10:21:24 PM PST by Princip. Conservative
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To: conservative in nyc

You are correct but as I stated earlier I think it should Bible or nothing. Not pick n choose.


24 posted on 11/27/2006 10:22:14 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (At worst the Pope's comments might cause a "war of words" but mohammedans prefer a "war over words".)
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To: taxesareforever

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States."

Seeing how seriously most members of congress take this oath (or affirmation), I don't think it really matters how it is given.




25 posted on 11/27/2006 10:23:43 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: goldstategop
Its tradition one takes an oath on The Bible. It means you're swearing before God to the truth of your pledge to uphold your office.

Tradition? Yes. Is the tradition always followed? No. Like I said, Teddy Roosevelt didn't swear on the Bible in 1903, and I'd be shocked if every Congressman has sworn on the Bible when the Constitution allows those who object to swearing an oath to give an affirmation instead.
26 posted on 11/27/2006 10:23:57 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc
He might be free to give an affirmation but under no circumstances should he be allowed to swear on the Koran.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

27 posted on 11/27/2006 10:25:10 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop; All
Just a question to everyone:

What if a member of Congress was an atheist? Would they also be obligated to be sworn in on the Bible?

28 posted on 11/27/2006 10:26:23 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Note: Sell Diebold Stock.................NOW!!)
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To: goldstategop
"under no circumstances should he be allowed to swear on the Koran. "

Agree.

29 posted on 11/27/2006 10:26:39 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: goldstategop

Someone should just slip the cover of the Koran on a copy of the Constitution. Highly unlikely he's read either or could tell the difference.


30 posted on 11/27/2006 10:27:00 PM PST by Silly (Still being... Silly)
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To: goldstategop

'Fraid I've gotta ask... Will an Infidel be holding that Koran upon which el-Ellison places his hand to take the oath, or will it be the on-call Iman?


31 posted on 11/27/2006 10:33:41 PM PST by Diver Dave
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To: conservative in nyc

I got the year wrong - Roosevelt was sworn in without a Bible in 1901, not 1903.


32 posted on 11/27/2006 10:34:53 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: Michael.SF.

I think atheists are clueless about the Constitution. What article of faith can they use so the rest of us can believe they swear allegiance?


33 posted on 11/27/2006 10:35:14 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: goldstategop

this is factually incorrect---no one has to swear an oath on the Bible. It is a tradition among most, but it is not required. They just have to swear to uphold the Constitution

To force an officeholder to swear an oath on the Bible is prohibited in the constitution, as that could be construed as a religious litmus test as to someone's eligibility for office.


34 posted on 11/27/2006 10:36:06 PM PST by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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To: Michael.SF.

WOW. What happened there? Sorry.


35 posted on 11/27/2006 10:37:38 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Prokopton

Sorry to say, I am in agreement with you.


36 posted on 11/27/2006 10:38:23 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: sageb1

how about the constitution itself?


37 posted on 11/27/2006 10:38:24 PM PST by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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To: CottShop
force him to show some actual patriotism and pledge his allegience to the Christian nation of the U.S.

So Atheists, agnostics, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, and, yes Muslims, can't "show actual patriotism?" Not to mention Christian sects like Jehovah's Witnesses and Quakers whose beliefs prohibit oaths.

The Constitution provides for oath or affirmation -- a recognition that even in 1787, there were enough people in the US that the Framers found that worth addressing.

As far as I'm concerned, an elected (or appointed) official can take the oath with his hand on the Bible, Torah, Koran, Baghavad Gita, Atlas Shrugged, or their kids' photo album. Better yet, I'd like to see officials take the oath or affirmation with their left hands on a copy of the Constitution, since that, and not any religious text, is what we expect them to be true to.

38 posted on 11/27/2006 10:41:12 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ChurtleDawg

Sorry...doesn't work for me...as atheists are diligently working against the document.


39 posted on 11/27/2006 10:41:27 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: taxesareforever

LOL. No problem, it happens.


40 posted on 11/27/2006 10:46:30 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Note: Sell Diebold Stock.................NOW!!)
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