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A Second American Civil War?
TCS Daily ^ | 29 Nov 2006 | Glenn Harlan Reynolds

Posted on 11/29/2006 6:19:57 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4

Is America in danger of civil war? Not immediately, perhaps, but famed science fiction writer Orson Scott Card thinks that we're in enough danger that he's authored a cautionary tale entitled Empire that's set in more-or-less present times.

In Card's novel, which is straight thriller fiction a la Jack Bauer rather than the science fiction for which Card is generally known, shadowy forces use terror and assassination to trigger a civil war in an America sharply divided along Red/Blue lines. In the Afterword, Card writes:

"Rarely do people set out to start a civil war. Invariably, when such wars break out both sides consider themselves to be the aggrieved ones."

Such is the case now, he notes, when both Left and Right feel threatened by the other side, and unfairly so:

"Can it lead to war? Very simply, yes. The moment one group feels itself so aggrieved that it uses either its own weapons or the weapons of the state to 'prevent' the other side from bringing about its supposed 'evil' designs, then that other side will have no choice but to take up arms against them. Both sides will believe the other to be the instigator . . . . In America today, we are complacent in our belief that it can't happen here."

Well, I certainly don't believe that it can't happen here. Civil war can happen anywhere and, given enough time, usually does. And it happened here once, after all.

I've noted before that one of the great American accomplishments was to get over the Civil War without the kind of lingering bitterness that often marks -- and reignites -- such conflicts elsewhere. And we can, perhaps, thank the ongoing Civil War reminiscence industry for helping to keep the horrors of that war alive in people's memories. Throughout the remainder of the 19th Century, many people feared a reignition of the Civil War, but it didn't happen.

Nonetheless, Card's cautionary tale is worth bearing in mind. Civil wars are, traditionally, among the most bloody, and the hardest to prevent once the ball gets rolling. So what do we do?

One question is "who's 'we' here?" I don't see much of a sign that the American public -- which, after all, overwhelmingly favored centrists in this month's elections -- is as divided as Card suggests. But -- as Card also notes -- the elites are much more divided, and the media tend to play up those divisions, because division and conflict are good story-drivers. ("We live in a time when moderates are treated worse than extremists, being punished as if they were more fanatical than the actual fanatics.") To the "activist" crowd on the left and right, people who don't share their views 100% are evil, and on the other side. This tends to backfire politically, which I think is why the elections favored centrists this time, but that doesn't stop the polarization. In a way, it tends to make it worse.

I think that we're a long way from a civil war. But I also think that Card's right to warn people against too much division, and too little emphasis on our common interests as Americans. While I don't think that we're in danger of a civil war, I do think that our current political system is unhealthy, with polarization serving mostly as a tool for the folks in power to keep their bases in line, while they pursue agendas that are mostly self-serving. I hope that both the people and the press will make some conscious efforts to moderate the tone, and make that approach less effective.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: bang; civilwar; cwii; orsonscottcard
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I can very easily envision armed conflict between opposing groups of Americans who seek to make worlds intolerable to their countrymen. It may be time to study 1918-1922 German history to avoid reliving it.
1 posted on 11/29/2006 6:19:59 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

It is inevitable. Eventually those with the guns will get fed up. Hopefully, they will also be the ones in charge of the military.


2 posted on 11/29/2006 6:20:54 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

It's plausible. We seem to be right now, suddenly losing the WOT. When a few nukes go off, the fed may just disappear like the USSR politburo did. At which point, we'll fracture and infight into 4 or 5 nation-states.


3 posted on 11/29/2006 6:21:36 AM PST by Tolsti
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To: TommyDale

So, on what basis, exactly, are you proposing shooting your fellow citizens?


4 posted on 11/29/2006 6:22:31 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: TommyDale
It is inevitable. Eventually those with the guns will get fed up. Hopefully, they will also be the ones in charge of the military.

So you think those with the guns will get fed up and shoot those without guns? Call me skeptical.

5 posted on 11/29/2006 6:23:39 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

We would need a "first" American Civil War in order to have a second.

You think the writer was referring to the War Between the States?


7 posted on 11/29/2006 6:23:41 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

when was the first civil war? the war back in the 1860s was a war of southern independence, not a civil war. i cant understand why historians never got that right.


8 posted on 11/29/2006 6:25:58 AM PST by philsfan24
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To: Lee'sGhost

You make an important distinction there, Mr.Lee. Only one side called that one a civil war!


9 posted on 11/29/2006 6:26:31 AM PST by DBrow
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Not to worry, in a war between the Left and the Right, the Right would surrender to "teach a lesson" or get good press from the Lefts' MSM. And throw any leader overboard who gets bad press.
10 posted on 11/29/2006 6:26:35 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Lee'sGhost
You think the writer was referring to the War Between the States?

I knew someone had to say it! ; )
11 posted on 11/29/2006 6:26:49 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Melas

I'm not sure they will have to shoot them. How will those without guns stop anything? Rocks? I guess they could follow the Palestinian plan.


12 posted on 11/29/2006 6:27:12 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Neah. I think the majority of Americans are too sedated by TV. As long you don't interrupt their cable service, they'll be watching TV rather than fighting in the street.

Personally, I think it would be good if Americans WERE passionate enough in their beliefs for civil war to be a risk.

We more in danger from the barbarian invasions and the idiots who aid and abet them.
13 posted on 11/29/2006 6:27:17 AM PST by Little Ray
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A civil war between the left and the right?

Let's see - pretty much the armed forces is made up of people of the right. The NRA is pretty much made up of people of the right. Hunters are made up of people of the right.

So when it comes right down to it - it will be a civil war of people who have weapons and know how to use them against people who think guns are "icky-pooh" and evil and couldn't tell you the difference between a rifle and a pistol (except what they have seen in movies).
14 posted on 11/29/2006 6:27:29 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

I think we are closer than the author thinks. We should know shortly one way or the other.


15 posted on 11/29/2006 6:27:48 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Tolsti
To be honest, I think that our great Constitution has been so badly ignored over the past 2 centuries that there is no way for the US to recover and return to what it was meant to be. A Constitutional Convention would probably worsen the matter.

If a war were to split the US into smaller nations, perhaps one would be more like the original country. I'd move there, if I could.

16 posted on 11/29/2006 6:28:00 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: linda_22003

I am not proposing any such thing. If a Civil War does occur, do you think people will sit idly by and let it happen?


17 posted on 11/29/2006 6:28:19 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Tolsti

Total nonsense.

To have a civil war, you have to have a populace that is drastically split over something they believe in, to the point they are willing to fight and die for their belief.

It would interfere with Saturday Night Football. That makes it unlikely.


18 posted on 11/29/2006 6:28:24 AM PST by woodbutcher
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To: George W. Bush

I was always taught that it was called "The War of Northern Aggression".


19 posted on 11/29/2006 6:28:35 AM PST by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: roses of sharon
surrender to "teach a lesson" or get good press from the Lefts' MSM.

Holy cats! We're in a civil war right now! Just look at Foley vs Studds to see it happening!

20 posted on 11/29/2006 6:28:53 AM PST by DBrow
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