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Lift That Torch, Ring That Bell (Speaking Out: An Interview with an American Muslim )
Jim's Bell | November 28, 2006 | Tikyra "Tiki" Angelique

Posted on 11/29/2006 7:37:53 AM PST by 2banana

Speaking Out: An Interview with an American Muslim

One of the reasons for this blog is to exercise freedom of speech, not just for the author of the blog and his views, but for others who do not have a voice in the media. All too often, the media covers the leaders of radical movements, and the leaders of State, which often leads to misunderstanding among the rest of us. The following interview is with a young woman named Tikyra "Tiki" Angelique, who is the daughter of an American military family and is a devout Muslim. She speaks with the ferver and convictoin of the Converted, and the earnestness of a fresh college education. Her political views do not reflect those of the author of this blog. In the interview, Tiki expresses her distrust of the current Administration and its policies, while at the same time clears up some questions we had about Islam and religious tolerance. This interview is presented in the interest of freedom of speech, and therefore is unedited, except to recover text from a formatting incompatibility. Remember--"Open debate makes our country great!"

Do non-Muslim people generally respect you for your religion?

Well, my experience has been that there are different kinds of Americans. There are those who are political and either sympathize with Arabs, Palestinians and Muslims and understand our political views that differ with what most of the media puts out, and there are Americans who go along with most of what the media puts out against Arabs, Palestinians and Muslims. I think most Americans are good hearted people who are being mislead and misused by an International war criminal named Bush. I think the media has let down most Muslims and Jewish groups who disagree with America's and Israel's foreign policies; I believe the true job of a reporter is to impartially report both sides of any issue and let people decide for themselves. I see something new happening lately because of the military conflict in Iraq, more and more Americans are asking why do they (different groups or countries in the world) hate us? And others are approaching me and other Muslims who wear religious clothing and ask us, what is your religion about?

What difficulties, if any, do you face being a Muslim woman in America?

That's funny because recently I got a job at McDonalds. I told them why we wear the scarf and even though their corporate policy says they don't discriminate based on religion, they would not let me wear it. I did what a lot of Muslim women facing this situation have done, I wore a baseball cap and put my hair up under it instead. Most employers don't understand that the scarf is not a fashion statement saying that I am a Muslim woma--it is part of our religion. I am hiding my beauty including my hair, that I will only show at home with my family and my future husband ( I am not married ).They also don't understand that our loose clothing is also about modesty, not revealing the shape of your body, so it does not allow others to be sexually attracted to you based on your body or hair. The loose clothing is also a dress code for Muslim men. They also have problems with employers who don't allow having a long shirt outside the pants so the hip area is not easily revealed.

What do you see as the biggest misunderstanding of Islam in America?

People think blowing ourselves up is part of our religion, it isn't, LOL. I cherish being alive, thank you. There is (a religious teaching) which says "If you know of an injustice, change it by your hand, if you are prevented from doing that, speak out against it, if you can't do that, write against it, if you are not allowed to do any of those things, you MUST, pray against it." In other words GOD never told any of us to just do nothing about injustice, that is part of what JIHAD is, fighting against injustice. JIHAD can also be the inside your own self for things like your struggle with an addiction or sinful behavior, your JIHAD to make yourself not do it.

Do you come from an Islamic family, or did you convert to Islam?

I converted to Islam. It was easy for me to become Muslim because my family is Christian in name only. I respect the teachings of Jesus but technically they are not Christian because they do not believe He is the Son of GOD, they love and revere him as a human prophet (peace be upon him), they do not believe he died for forgiveness of anyone's sins, they believe you can only be forgiven by asking GOD directly to forgive you for your sins, and they do not believe He rose from the dead and became alive again. When they celebrate Christmas and Easter it is for celebrating a holiday, but, Christmas is important to my family Jesus was a wonderful prophet (peace be upon him) whose wonderful message has taught all beings how to treat all people with peace and respect.

Many of us believe that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are different ways of worshiping the same God. We see religion as a personal attribute, meaning that the right way for a person to worship God is the way each person chooses. Can you see it that way?

We say there is no GOD except the ONE true GOD. To us, GOD, who we call Allah, is the same GOD in all 3 religions. HE is the GOD worshiped by Abraham (the Jews), Jesus (the Christians) and Mohammad (the Muslims), peace be upon all the prophets. We share the same history and prophets with a few exceptions, the Jews (with the exception of Jews for Jesus) do not accept Jesus as a prophet, peace be upon him, the Christians do not accept Muhammad as a prophet, peace be upon him, and we accept all the prophets and believe that Muhammad, peace be upon him, is the last prophet and messenger of GOD.

Muslims call Jews and Christians "the people of the book," which is written in the Quran.There are people who know about GOD but who have consciously decided to live sinful lives. If a person does not know GOD but is a good person who lives a good life, he or she can go to heaven.

Many Islamic scholars and Imams have written that violence and murder of innocents is not a part of Islam. Do you agree?

I think that is one of the hardest questions to answer in any religion, when is killing a person self defense or of one's home or country murder, and when is it justified defense. Military chaplains run into this dilemma when talking to conscientious objectors, but also when considering possible crimes against humanity committed by soldiers.

Is there a clash between the cultured and the uncultured in Islam? In the previous question, Tiki and I discussed the question of the fine line between religious duty and Civil duty. There are some who feel as though their religion requires them to kill, and my understanding is that the "unclultured," those who use religion as an excuse to kill are misrepresenting their religion. This is a follow-up question addressing the extension of some religious ideas to government and law.

We talk about this all the time at the Mosque and at college. There are things that Islamic governments do that they say are dictated by Islam, but those laws violate Islam, they are doing things based on culture of Islam. For example, when the Taliban closed all the schools for girls that was a violation of Islamic law, because the Quran specifically states that women have a RIGHT to education. What the Taliban did was to act on it's own feeling about how to treat women based on the new culture they wanted to impose on Afghan women. I have even talked to men who were angry about what the Taliban did because what a lot of people don't realize is that many Muslim women including myself, have college degrees and honestly don't want us to help with the family's finances by working. Actually deciding to help pay the bills is a problem for me as a Muslim woman the Quran says I can keep my money for myself and not pay any bills, but most of us love our families and do contribute.

Can Islam thrive in a free society?

There are 12 million of us Muslims living in America and the number of new converts is increasing. The irony of the soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan is that, day after day they are living among Muslims in middle east countries, they will bring back knowledge about Arab culture and Muslim religion. Most of them will see us as human beings who just want to live our lives like you do.

Can a free, democratic society exist in the Islamic world?

To be honest, Israel is not a Democracy, it is a blatant open Apartheid, compare it to the "Democracy" of South Africa before Nelson Mandela became President. Why doesn't anyone ask questions about Zionist terrorism against mostly unarmed Palestinian and Arab civilians in Palestine and the "occupied zone." Why doesn't anyone question the violation of the rights of the people of Iraq when Bush through a dictator put on them, named Bremmer (probably spelling his name wrong)?? What about the press Bush and his regime closed in Iraq because they wrote articles against Bush and his puppet imposed on the Iraqi people? Is that the freedom of the press democracy is about?? What about American soldiers who shot at Iraqi protestors is that the right to peaceful assembly Democracy Does Abu Graib ring a bell??? How about when America tortured and killed prisoners there, their families visitation, denied the prisoners lawyers„ what kind of Democracy are you bringing to ignorant Arabs and Muslims??

Do you, personally, get involved in the political process in America?

It's really funny you asked, because I protested against Israel for 1 year in Lexington Massachusetts. While Bush has been so busy destroying the Constitution and violating the most basic rights Arabs, Palestinians, and Muslims who are American citizens have, that all he has to do is call me an enemy combatant and the power hungry idiots who support him would imprison me in Guantanamo Bay, without evidence, witnesses or charges, just like they did to Jose Padilla. He is an American citizen who was imprisoned there for 3 years. When the government finally admitted there was no evidence that he made or had anything to do with "dirty" bombs. He should have been released from Guantanamo prison, but he is still being held as the government creates new charges to keep him imprisoned to indefinitely await a military trial for a civilian. Talk about destroying the most inherent spirit of the law under which the nation was founded, the right of anyone accused of a crime to have due process, and a "speedy" trial, to avoid making the imprisonment while waiting for a trial, a punishment based solely on being accused not as a result of a guilty verdict. In other words if an innocent man is accused of a crime and the jury finds that he was "not guilty," then the time of imprisonment, his loss of freedom, damage to his and finances is in itself a punishment.

The following video is in response to a follow-up question by the author, as the question of Isreal came up during the interview, and we felt that this answer was thoughtful, thought-provoking, and interesting, as well as controversial.

Click here if you can't see the video.

Afterward--my thoughts:

It is interesting to note that Tiki's political views are very much in line with the opinion of many who are politically on the far left of the spectrum, yet Tiki could be considered a "conservative" Muslim, who believes, among other things, that it should be a punishable offense for a woman to smoke while with child. It is easy to see how policy missteps--particularly those made during the interim administration of Paul Bremmer--can become an indictment against the entire policy. It should also be noted that, although Tikyra does not recognize the right of Israel to exist, she strongly believes in religious freedom, and recognizes and respects the religion of others. In response to the political point of view expressed in this interview, all I can say is that our beliefs--that is the belief of each individual--is exactly that; an individual belief, and that belief is indelable, based upon each person's life experience and education. The result of the practice of many university level teachers to indoctrinate rather than educate is evident here, but I know that I can disagree and argue until I'm blue in the face, but it will not change Tiki's beliefs any more than she can change my beliefs. This is Tiki's opportunity to state her case, and I am grateful to her for granting this interview and allowing me permission to publish it on this blog. Comments and questions in the "comments" section here are solicited and encouraged, and Tikyra can be contacted here, via email.

http://jimsbell.blogspot.com/2006/11/speaking-out-interview-with-american.html


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: american; convert; mulsim
While there is so much wrong info that could be debated, I kept it short and to one point.

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Ms Angelique,

I am very sorry that your parents did not fill your heart with the love and joy of Jesus Christ. Please remember, that no matter what, he stills loves you and accepts you and just asks for your heart to be open for Him.

You have entered a faith that I hope you study in depth and in detail. The Quran teaches that only Islam is the true religion, and unbelievers have three options: 1) convert to Islam; 2) remain an infidel, and submit to humiliating subordinate status under Islamic (Sharia) law, including paying a hefty poll tax; or 3) wage war with, or be killed by, Muslims.

Keep in mind that in Islam it is “good works” (good vs. bad deeds on the scale of life) that you DO that may get you into heaven. Somehow you must win Allah’s favor. If you fall just .0001% short on the scale, you will be cast down into Hell.

But the problem is you never know when you have done enough. It is like being a salesperson who must meet a quota but never being told what that quota is. You can never be sure you have actually done enough (except dying in Jihad fighting infidels – but I don’t know if that is for you though).

Worse yet, the Bible tells us in Romans 3:23 that we can never do enough. We will always fall short of God’s holy and perfect standard.

But be thankful – for there is hope. Jesus has DONE something for us that we could have never done for ourselves. Christ lived the perfect life that we could never live and He willingly died on the Cross to pay the penalty we owed for the wrongs we have done.

To become a Christian (a follower of Christ) means to humbly receive God’s gift of forgiveness and commit to His following and His leadership. When we do that, He adopts us into his family and begins to change us from the inside out.

Also consider - If you ever want to leave Islam, it will be considered an act of apostasy, which carries the death sentence in much of the Islamic world.

Best Regards,

2banana

PS – I spent a year in Afghanistan; living, eating, sleeping, talking, praying, fighting and dying with Muslims.

1 posted on 11/29/2006 7:37:59 AM PST by 2banana
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To: 2banana

You cannot be American and Muslim.


2 posted on 11/29/2006 7:39:15 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: edcoil

She sounds reasonable enough (and ignores Muhammed's calls to war and conquest) until she gets to American politicsa and then it's the old 'Bush is destroying the constitution' business. Pure hate and misinformation.


3 posted on 11/29/2006 7:46:49 AM PST by squarebarb
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To: 2banana

Excellent....it is heartbreaking that so many people are so spiritually hungry and looking in all the wrong places.


4 posted on 11/29/2006 7:48:22 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: 2banana
It is interesting to note that Tiki's political views are very much in line with the opinion of many who are politically on the far left of the spectrum, yet Tiki could be considered a "conservative" Muslim, who believes, among other things, that it should be a punishable offense for a woman to smoke while with child.

I found the comparison to the left to be the most intersting line in the article. The irony of the last part of the sentence did not escape me either insomuch as protecting an unborn child is typically considered the domain of the right.
5 posted on 11/29/2006 7:53:25 AM PST by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: 2banana
[Q]Can a free, democratic society exist in the Islamic world?... [A]To be honest, Israel is not a Democracy

Well Tikyra.... Can it?

6 posted on 11/29/2006 7:55:58 AM PST by outofstyle
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To: 2banana
Once you have heard one lie...you've heard them all.

Find me a Muslim country that allows the free celebration of Christmas...in public.

Let's get back to teaching pigs how to sing!

7 posted on 11/29/2006 7:56:15 AM PST by Dr.Syn
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To: outofstyle
She doesn't answer alot of the questions.
8 posted on 11/29/2006 7:57:01 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

So much idiocy, so little time. Please show me where in the Koran it says women have to cover their heads (or faces.) Also, show me where it says women are allowed to work outside the home in places such as MacDonald's. I suggest this person go live in a nice, Muslim country such as Pakistan or Oman for a while, covered face and all, talk about the leadership's war crimes, and then get back to us.


9 posted on 11/29/2006 7:57:17 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: 2banana

Thank you. You stated Christianity very well. This young lady, is just that, a young lady with a good vocab. I see the "Egghead" (college prof-dorks, or over-educated dopes) influence that hopefully would iron itself out. Yes, I would appreciate her as my neighbor and would give her a cup of sugar and an egg, if she asked.


10 posted on 11/29/2006 8:05:51 AM PST by rusureitflies?
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To: 2banana
"Can a free, democratic society exist in the Islamic world?

To be honest, Israel is not a Democracy, it is a blatant open Apartheid, compare it to the "Democracy" of South Africa before Nelson Mandela became President. Why doesn't anyone ask questions about Zionist terrorism against mostly unarmed Palestinian and Arab civilians in Palestine and the "occupied zone." Why doesn't anyone question the violation of the rights of the people of Iraq when Bush through a dictator put on them, named Bremmer (probably spelling his name wrong)?? What about the press Bush and his regime closed in Iraq because they wrote articles against Bush and his puppet imposed on the Iraqi people? Is that the freedom of the press democracy is about?? What about American soldiers who shot at Iraqi protestors is that the right to peaceful assembly Democracy Does Abu Graib ring a bell??? How about when America tortured and killed prisoners there, their families visitation, denied the prisoners lawyers„ what kind of Democracy are you bringing to ignorant Arabs and Muslims?? "



Notice how she did NOT answer the question?
11 posted on 11/29/2006 8:07:26 AM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: 2banana
I think most Americans are good hearted people who are being mislead and misused by an International war criminal named Bush. I think the media has let down most Muslims and Jewish groups who disagree with America's and Israel's foreign policies; I believe the true job of a reporter is to impartially report both sides of any issue and let people decide for themselves

I'm getting sick and tired of this constant muslim propaganda and would prefer they ALL leave this country immediately.

I'm also sick and tired of them calling our FREELY ELECTED PRESIDENT a war criminal. Muslims don't have a clue about what the United States of America stands for, not do they understand those who reside here.

The best a muslim in this country can hope for, is that war does not break out on these shores. If that happens, they'll learn the truth about American Citizens, and who those citizens will follow and fight for - it sure will not be islam.

12 posted on 11/29/2006 8:10:41 AM PST by Last Laugh
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To: 3AngelaD

She says loose tops are ordained by the Koran and that covering the hips is a way of hiding her sexually enticing bits.

My guess is that she's just got a big, ugly butt.

A Mussel-gal's loose clothing isn't intended to diminish male sex drive, its so that Muslim men can't be precisely sure how ugly their buddies' dates really are.

Maybe that's why they're allowed four wives. What their gals lack in quality they can make up for with quantity.


13 posted on 11/29/2006 8:16:08 AM PST by Kiss Me Hardy
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To: 2banana

-"I got a job at McDonalds. I told them why we wear the scarf and even though their corporate policy says they don't discriminate based on religion, they would not let me wear it."-

It's a health and safety issue, pure and simple. You don't get "rights" when you work with food! I personally wouldn't want this gal's garment in touch with my food, particularly when she wears it to the bathroom.


14 posted on 11/29/2006 8:18:00 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

Palestinians in Isreal can vote and have elected membes to the Knesset. I would like to ask this smug little nasty piece of work to name one Islamic country where jews can vote.


15 posted on 11/29/2006 8:22:22 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: 2banana
I respect the teachings of Jesus but technically they are not Christian because they do not believe He is the Son of GOD, they love and revere him as a human prophet (peace be upon him), they do not believe he died for forgiveness of anyone's sins, they believe you can only be forgiven by asking GOD directly to forgive you for your sins, and they do not believe He rose from the dead and became alive again.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)
16 posted on 11/29/2006 8:31:00 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (A liberal is a suicide bomber without the guts)
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth
She didn't come close to answering ANY of the questions that might have gotten to the issues.

(But I did like the unintentional line about not wanting anyone attracted to her "body and hair" - the mental images it provoked are likely not what she intended.)

17 posted on 11/29/2006 8:32:00 AM PST by norton
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To: 2banana
Can a free, democratic society exist in the Islamic world?

Hmmmm...anyone else notice that she doesn't even attempt to answer this question?

She sure comes across as a brainwashed, angry leftist, doesn't she?

18 posted on 11/29/2006 9:30:46 AM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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