Skip to comments.Electronic Voting Can't Be Trusted
Posted on 11/29/2006 11:14:22 AM PST by lifelong_republican
"...These machines must go. There is no way to know if one's vote is accurately accounted for..."
(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...
where was all this concern BEFORE they were mandated? whining after the fact is just plain silly. should have made noise BEFORE. some of us did, but hardly enough.
Now, back to reality.
a letter to the editor ? concrete solid evidence.
"Duh!" (Nice to see someone else with a grasp of the obvious.)
The Activism sidebar is reserved for Free Republic chapters - not letters to the Editor.
This whole charade is happening in my AO, where the dems are up in arms over Vern Buchanan's (Repub) victory over Christine Jennings. A narrow win, but a win nonetheless. Of course, it's a crack wide enough to fit some high-profile lawyer into.
Let it be noted that the same machinery in the same election handed Bill Nelson another six years in the Senate. But -- sssshhhh! Don't mention that.
This all came about because there was a rush to judgement after the 2000 Florida election, and concerns about hanging chads and dimpled chads and the fact that computer punch card voting machines don't give perfect results. So a decision was made, helped in part by the Help America Vote Act, that computerized voting machines are what we need to get the most accurate vote count.
The consensus even among some Republicans after Florida was that there are problems with the punch card type systems or the old fashioned voting machines where you pull the levers behind a curtain and vote that way.
So there are unintended consequences with these new machines. Maybe some prefer lack of any paper trail or recounting ability.
While the punch cards aren't perfect, let's remember that there was hardly any shift in the Florida recount. The first vote count was very accurate. On Election Night 2000, Bush won Florida by 1,900 votes. After all the hanging chad dimpled chad nonsense, the official vote count showed Bush ahead by 537 votes. So about 1,300 votes out of 6 million cast were reversed by Democrats eager to find as many hanging chads as possible. Percentage wise, it was a miniscule change.
OK let's re-vote.
Document your sources, please. Lifelong, maybe, but Republican? You sound as Republican as a "people's republic".
We know the RATS want paper ballots because they are much easier to fake.
the easiest and most reliable and verifiable method doesn't use electricity. paper ballots.
Translation: the Dem'crats have not learned yet how to hack into the recording capabilities on these electronic voting machines, so they are "unfair".
One fiddle, two banjoes, and seven firearms? What were they playing, the 1812 Overture?
Welcome to FreeRepublic.
So are your local ATMs, yet the dipsticks trust them.
How often did we hear the moonbat libs speak glowingly of ATMs versus punch card technology in 2000?
I read that the 18,000 undervotes in Sarasota County were mostly from Democrats.
"They're designed, built, programmed, and operated in secrecy. They're unreliable and known to lose, switch, and fake votes. The United States of America should be setting an example of clean elections for the world."
I couldn't agree more.
As a citizen, I realize my vote is not worth much, but it is a vote, and it is mine. Undermine the integrity of the vote and we have nothing. It will be the fall of America.
Well it is a certainty that paper ballots can NEVER be lost, swithced or faked in any way. /sarcasm.
Couple this with the fact that the Dems insist on trying to get all close elections into a court, where they have a chance to finagle the outcome.
If banks can accurately keep track of who you are and all of your banking business, most of the time without missing a beat, electronic voting systems can be made that way. Further, audit trails and duplicate, parallel counts should be a piece of cake.
It's my opinion that perfect, accurate, "LEGAL" vote counting will not ever happen because the Dems don't really want it and certain judges won't keep their hands off it.
Aliens(both legal and illegal) VOTING is more(as much) of a problem..
Strange that republican leadership could care less about vote fraud..
This must have been GW's idea, else we would be on those things like a dog on a bone.
The "Purple Finger" method seems to work!
The difference is that the manufacturers of ATMs and associated equipment are responsible to the banks for any problems that may arise. They, and the banks, have a very strong financial incentive to ensure that their sytems are secure and reliable. Plus, of course, if something does go wrong the bank will (eventually) take care of it for you. Is any of this true of voting machines?
The number one source of vote fraud is people voting multiple times and ineligible people voting.
The obvious fix to this is photo ID requirements, which the GOP has quite vocally advocated and which has been actively combatted by Democrat judges at every turn.
There is not one single documented case of voter fraud with manipulation of modern voting machines.
There are certainly hundreds, perhaps thousands, of documented cases of vote fraud through multiple registrations, dead men voting, etc.
And they wanted voting machine in Chicago back in the day, for what reason? I seem to forget.
You will never stop fraud until every voter is identified and linked to they ballot they cast. To be honest how many people don't already know how you voted? Secret ballot my rear, that is why we have campaign rallies.
Like I just said.. Aliens voting(both legal and illegal) are ineligible.. They are not citizens.. therefore its vote fraud.. With a portion of 30+ million legal and illegal aliens VOTING.. One wonders how many of the very close Congressional races just won by a very small margin were won by votes of legal and illegal aliens..
Not caring is ridiculous.. and political suicide Bushbot style..
That's a fantasy you've created in your mind.
GOP leadership cares and is leading the charge against fraudulent voting by advocating photo ID requirements.
Photo ID requirements are much cheaper than trying to deport every single illegal between now and the next election.
Get in the game.
If the democrats had of been mandating it then we would have made all kinds of noise. The Republicans did it so...Then it was OK. Now we lost control of the ballot box.
Photo ID's will never happen now.. the democrats are in charge.. Legal and Illegal aliens WILL BE democrats and the democrats know it.. Only MOST of the republicans do not know that.. especially in the White RINO House..
The cure is Not photo ids.. The cure is makeing Renting to or Employing illegals... illegal(enforced).. i.e make the renter or employee PROVE they are legal.. They(the illegals) will deport THEMSELVES.. Also forced deportation of any legals(and possibly their familys) proved to have voted..
Should be quite simple to force illegals to deport themselves.. at least the honest ones.. The dishonest ones would remain hiding.. For THEM.. a bounty might be a good thing.. You know capitalism.. Start the roach hunt..
In the service we used to talk about making things "GI proof". The dims need to make things "criminal, illegal alien,, non-English speaking, dimwit" proof.
I am a software engineer.
Any competent software engineer can make any computer say anthing they want it to say regardless of what the user inputs.
I can make the computer say global warming is happening, and give you the results to 10 decimal places.
I can make it give any vote totals I want no matter what actual voters input.
Trusting voting to computers is a ridiculous idea. About the only thing worse would be internet voting.
Just over half way down the page at this link is a lot more information on this issue...
also-- here is an article that should be helpful also...
The State has checked the machines and did not find a problem....The same machines where used in other parts of the state and no problem....The under votes were simply folks turned off by the election on both individuals part.....They simply did not want to vote for either....Yet for Her it is still not enough...She is planning on taking it to the Democratic controlled congress and get them to mandate another election in our district.....They only want that in Sarasota....Sounds like Gore to me........
The Dems in Sarasota and other parts of the state. Wanted computer voting...It just did not go their way.....
Look up Mr. Rifkin. Hell that wasn' even ATM software.
Plus, of course, if something does go wrong the bank will (eventually) take care of it for you. Is any of this true of voting machines?
You're implying that the bank will find it and an election board won't.
Is any of this true of voting machines?
No better, no worse, as I said in my original post.
"where was all this concern BEFORE they were mandated?"
Can you imagine someone at the planning session for the Boston Tea Party saying something to the effect that the Stamp Act was a fait accompli and that there'd be no point in tossing anything overboard?
There was in fact significant objection to the systems before they were implemented, even to the extent of numerous court actions. Some very powerful people want that particular fix in.
I'm sure you would have avoided an empty attempt at a personal attack if you'd had the fortitude to consider the actual subject. I encourage you to learn more about the many ways electronic 'voting' systems involve vulnerability, unreliability, and excessive expense.
The statements being offered to you are easily confirmed, and if you would like assistance with recommendations for search engine use and specific links, I'll be happy to do whatever I can to assist you with this.
""Duh!" (Nice to see someone else with a grasp of the obvious.)"
Thank you for this information, which I will remember.
It is not only possible to make elections work, so that the public can scrutinize the accurate counts of voter generated and verified tangilbe ballots, it's what we owe our legacy as American citizens.
the strategy isNOT to have inviolable electios, but to have a handle upon challenging their outcome when they don't go your way.
both sides do this.
"OK let's re-vote"
I agree. This time, with real physical ballots prepared directly by the voters and constantly observed throughout the public counting processes. It would be a lot harder for the corrupt Democrats of the Rendell mob in Pennsylvania to steal votes from Senator Santorum.
If you would do at least a little investigation using the web, for example, you would be able to find out about the massive increases in undervote rates, the reports from voters of seeing their choices changed, and the lawsuits and other actions resulting from thousands of votes being lost by failures of election equipment. To make it even easier for you, I can provide you with data specific to your (or any other) state, if you like. Let me know. Thanks.
If you're ready to get started now, use this link:
Perhaps you approve of the way the corrupt Democrats in Pennsylvania robbed Senator Santorum of votes, but we as Republicans here in PA are unwilling to accept it.
The Democrats had their "buttons" switching votes from Santorum to Casey this past election, so I don't see how your statement would be applicable.
Thank you for the welcome. It's appreciated. I have been quoted in my local newspaper, and as a Republican, but I haven't called in to Rush's show since his oxycontin episode. I realize it's a health problem but I don't want to attempt communication through certain impairments.
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