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To: DBrow
Lack of responsibility is spreading, aided and encouraged by modern public education.

Nope. To end up in a prison is rather the outcome of a lack of education. Public education may have its faults but the placement of information is for sure not the source of crime and violence. The teachers do not tell those kids to murder or rape.

The problem lies in the American society that is obviously unable to encourage and patronize kids that were not born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Not those kids are bad, the system that does not provide any equality of opportunity is. I am also no friend of egalitarianism, but you should understand it as a investment into the future to give public schools the means to enable their pupils to have success through solid knowledge transfer. Isn't it your American "Declaration of Independence" that contains the "Pursuit of Happiness"? Love it or hate it, that is a problem that can not be solved with homeschooling or some hypocritical "godly" (sarcasm) advices. Kids (no matter where they come from) need help, ethics and education.

Those cram-full prisons are a shame for America.

Greetings from good old Europe (Lake Constance, Germany) :-)

A.B.

10 posted on 11/29/2006 8:39:23 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandu m.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Those cram-full prisons are a shame for America.

You and I are in complete agreement.

11 posted on 11/29/2006 8:41:58 PM PST by Wormwood (Self-delusion in the face of unpleasant facts is folly - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

"Love it or hate it, that is a problem that can not be solved with homeschooling".

Disagree. If more kids GOT that sort of time and attention and commitment from their parents, our prisons would be almost empty.

It's the kids who don't get family support that are in trouble. Public school is no substitute for a family with a loving married mother and father.

We've got great teachers and good programs at my local school, where I volunteer. I can tell you almost immediately which kids will do well and which will do poorly. In almost every case, the failure is family related.

BTW, people don't need a "silver spoon in their mouths" to be decent, productive citizens, or to raise good kids. What they need are good standards, lots of love, and the ability to make a lifetime commitment.


14 posted on 11/29/2006 9:00:44 PM PST by bordergal (There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of men bad enough for this treachery)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

The US school system deliberately does not "teach values". Every teacher I have spoken to has assured me of this, that the teaching method and content does not include "Value judgements" of any type. You can see this in the crime stats.

Self esteem is a big deal, self respect is not.

As for kids born with a silver spoon, I think the median income is less than 50,000 USD. Rich silver spoon kids are quite rare. If what you suggest is true then American education ignores most kids.

There is equality of opportunity, but the motivation to get it is lost in teaching entitlement mentality, that a good living is "owed" due to socialist thinking. When the good living is not handed to the kids automatically, bitterness and apathy result.


15 posted on 11/29/2006 9:01:02 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Most of us long ago outgrew the urge to resort to infantile class warfare. Crime is not a result of lack of education. Lack of education as well as crime are a result of disorganized, fragmented, and ineffectual families, and other intermediate social structures, demoralized and degraded courtesy of the leftwing a-holes in charge of so many institutions.

It is no accident that crime has escalated in this country in concert with the rise of characteristic liberal fashions of governance.

20 posted on 11/29/2006 9:16:59 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Crime and criminal activity cause poverty. It's not the other way around. People can be born into serious poverty and still stay out of trouble and lead productive, fulfilling lives. It happened in my family. Many times.

And FYI, I work in education. You'd be shocked to see what home schooling accomplishes academically, spiritually and morally. Sorry, but you're talking through your hat.
28 posted on 11/29/2006 9:40:30 PM PST by Brucifer (JF'n Kerry- "That's not just a paper cut, it's a Purple Heart!")
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