Christians Must 'let go' Some Beliefs For Sake of Peace, Theologian Says (MSM lies - See Post 28)

Tennessean.com ^ | 11/29/2006 | ANITA WADHWANI

[Louisiana]

It's hard to know how Camp proposes to "get along" with muslims when their own koran says there's only three ways to do that -- convert, become dhimmi or die.

Which do you choose, Dr. Camp?

From his reply on the Lipscomb website - It seems he would rather die.

Let us not confuse Americanism with Christianity. Christianty is not American. Americanism is not wholly Christian. We are to pray for HIS [JESUS'] KINGDOM TO COME which will never come through the warring of man, but through Jesus' Glorious Appearing.

[tx_eggman]

Allah, the God Muslims worship, is the same God Christians and Jews worship

Same type of god maybe .. all three are monotheistic religions.

But Allah is a demon at best.

[Kharis13]

Hi Recall,

I'm not sure about the birth of Jesus story you mentioned, but I do know what the Koran says about Jesus and His death. The Koran states that Jesus did NOT die on the cross---in fact, He was never on the cross. "Allah" put someone on the cross who looked like Jesus. In other words, according to Islamic belief, Jesus did not die on the cross, thus he didn't rise from the dead as payment for our sins. His payment for our sins is the ABSOLUTE backbone of the Christian faith.

Pretty hard to reconcile the two views, huh? As for me, I'll stick with Jesus. The Bible says, "You shall know them by their fruits"---show me anything good that has come from Islam.

Brian

[Jemian]

The Bible is very clear: "He who has the Son has life, he who does not have the Son of God does not have life."

There is no compromise.

[Jimmy Valentine]

"We need to forsake the Christendom model," Camp said"

Heresy couched in P.C. Newspeak;

This clown a theologian? Bushwah!

Still some out there that need burning at the stake.

[Wonder Warthog]

“Because I profess Jesus as Lord, I must let go of any strategy that seeks to violently impose “Jesus is Lord” upon another."

The author is pretty much a fool. Christianity has NEVER sought to "violently impose "Jesus is Lord" on anyone. That's the MUSLIM philosophy.

[PrepareToLeave]

True enough. But, if someone would express that Jesus is the true Messiah, Son of the living God, the only way to salvation in a public forum such as this...what would happen (seriously, I wonder).

[GadareneDemoniac]

"Camp described himself as a 'conservative Christian'", eh? If I describe myself as a Chevrolet Silverado, does that make it true?

What a lying phony this "professor" is.

[dforest]

Thank you, you just said it.

[paudio]

To live peacefully with Muslims and Jews

And this is supposedly our purpose of life?

[WorkerbeeCitizen]

This doesn't say the same thing as the "reported" article. An intentionally misleading report?

[GadareneDemoniac]

Was he misquoted or did he and his pals have to backtrack after catching hell over the quoted remarks?

Guess we'll never know -- but the good professor needs to be sure where he stands with the Savior.

[Fraulein]

In other words: In order to live peacefully with jews and muslims, everyone will get to adhere to their own religious beliefs but the Christians.

[Mobile Vulgus]

This gets a "The west is committing suicide" ping

[paudio]

In view of this history, Jews and Muslims have good reasons for not trusting those who wear the name Christian.

So do Christians: in view of their history, they have good reasons for not trusting Muslims.

[mathluv]

'"We need to forsake the Christendom model," Camp said. "The most basic Christian commitment … is that we say we believe in the Lordship of Jesus. But, if we claim that, how can a Muslim or Jew trust us, if we say Jesus is the Lord of all Lords?" '

I must be confused! I thought 'Christens' believed in Jesus Christ - hence the name. If we forsake Jesus as Son of God - we have no religion.

[poobear]

I was wondering how this would come about.

So the first step in denying Christ is to do so "So we can get along with Islam". Oh, and other religions too.

Riiight!

[Northern Yankee]

"We need to forsake the Christendom model," Camp said. "The most basic Christian commitment … is that we say we believe in the Lordship of Jesus. But, if we claim that, how can a Muslim or Jew trust us, if we say Jesus is the Lord of all Lords?"

This is a theologian?

He must have been gone from school the day they learned about the resurrection.

[libstripper]

Lee Camp, a Lipscomb University theologian, said this:

We have such short historical (memory) spans as white Christians," he said. "There is a history of anti-Semitism, the violence and bloodshed of the crusades and cultural imperialism. We have to deal with the reality of what Christians have done, which in some cases has been to kill people."

Camp described himself as a conservative Christian but conceded his opinions may be viewed as "radical" by other evangelical Christians.

Christians must shed the idea that they need to promulgate a worldwide Christianity, he said.

When he talked about the "violence and bloodshed of the crusades and cultural imperialism," he conveniently ignored the essential history of the Crusades and what brought them about.

Mohamed (may pig shit be upon him) and his similarly bloody minded followers conquered the entire Mideast and the Judeo-Christian holy places. By the beginning of the eleventh century western Christendom had emerged far enough from the Dark Ages that it was able to mount a necessary military response to that Muslim physical, religious, and cultural imperialism. The Crusaders of the First Crusade definitely disgraced many Christian principles and perpetrated some inexcusable massacres. However, the fact remains that it and the subsequent Crusades were primarily to restore the Mideastern holy places to their rightful possessors, not even to reconvert the Muslims.

[mathluv]

but. but. but, ... it is only Christians that 'kill' people who don't believe as they do.

You mean --- it is the muzzies who do that? Who 'da thunk!!!