[Dallas59]

Jesus is the Son of God and NOT a prophet of the fake Allah.

[Dallas59]

From LGF

[xuberalles]

Islam is a rip-off of Christianity. I find it curious that he did not make the same request of Muslims. Just another attack on Christians.


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[GiovannaNicoletta]

Christians must shed the idea that they need to promulgate a worldwide Christianity, he said.

Mark 16:15:

And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."

No, Christians do not have to "shed the idea" that they need to disregard this commandment of God's.

[Lorianne]

Oh all right, as long as it's just little things like Jesus not being the son of God.

[WorkerbeeCitizen]

"To live peacefully with Muslims and Jews, Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth,...

This is being used to infer that the rest of the world is what needs to change, In order for anyone to live peaceably with Muslims, Muslims have to stop murdering people - it,s really as simple as that.

[xowboy]

"that tackling them will require both dialogue with other faiths and a more introspective look at one's own beliefs,"

The dialog chosen by the Muslims was flying planes into buildings; discussion OVER!

[Recall]

This is the biggest bunch of bull I've read in a long time.
It's from "The Onion" right? If not, it should be. We don't "let go" the fact that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary.

If anything Moslems have to "Let Go" of killing us infidels.
If they will do that I will "Let Go" of saying "Islam Sucks".

[Just mythoughts]

Well pass the moderate middle their victory medals.


The reason and purpose of why Christ would use Peter as example of denying Him thrice gets significant clarity after reading this.

[Bonaparte]

"Allah, the God Muslims worship, is the same God Christians and Jews worship, and the Quran recounts the same biblical stories of Mary and Jesus, he said."

Not surprising that a false Christian like Camp would remain silent when Sakalla told this lie.

[dirtbiker]

To live peacefully with Muslims and Jews, Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth....

Isn't it the muzzies that want to create a muslim kingdom on Earth NOW?

I also didn't know we were not living peacefully with the Jews.

(Must be true, a college prof. said so...)

[spinestein]

So this guy who calls himself a Christian theologian is preaching that fellow Christians need to abandon their faith in the divinity of Jesus Christ so as not to offend Muslims.

Interesting. I wonder if he would also counsel all those who just plain believe in God to abandon that bit of faith as well so as not to offend atheists. I don't think so, since there is currently no movement among overzealous atheists worldwide to strap bombs to themselves and blow up random civilians. Even speaking as a person who holds no religious faith, myself, I'm appalled at this person's blatant lack of respect for the sincere religious beliefs of others.

I would label this as just plain COWARDICE on his part and I think that he would benefit from going back to read the accounts as told in all four gospels of when Peter three times falsely denied knowing Jesus when confronted by an angry crowd.

[AlaskaErik]

To live peacefully with Muslims and Jews, Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth, a Lipscomb University theologian told an interfaith gathering at the university.

Does this moron think the muslims are going to put aside their notion of an islamic theocracy on earth? The muslims idea of peace on earth is to kill everyone who is not a muslim and who refuses to convert.

[dirtbiker]

"We felt like the larger community is calling for this..."

"Can't we all just get along?"

"Yes, we have differences, but it's important to focus on commonalities..."

Sorry, I'm having a hard time getting past the difference muzzies want to behead infidels, molest women and children, and receive (whatever number) of virgins in heaven for blowing themselves up....

(I actually have no problem with them blowing themselves up, it's when they kill innocents doing it...)

[mitch5501]

Mat 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."

Pretty much covers it!

[Caipirabob]

Camp described himself as a conservative Christian but conceded his opinions may be viewed as "radical" by other evangelical Christians.

Ya think? Really? I mean except for that "Jesus thing", we're OK, aren't we?

[AmericaUnited]

Lipscomb professor Lee Camp - Useful idiot of Satan Du Jour

[Cindy]

QUOTE:

From The Bible:
Matthew 7:15-20
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

[Louisiana]

It seems this is a MSM INIQUITY (Twisting and Perverting of the Truth) ALERT. Here is the reply from the prof and Lipsomb university

http://www.lipscomb.edu/filter.asp?SID=4&fi_key=657&co_key=10941

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Lipscomb professor responds to Tennessean article
On November 28, 2006, Lipscomb University held a historic meeting for the city of Nashville and the surrounding community. The Institute for Conflict Management invited individuals with differing religious beliefs to come to campus and participate in a dialogue. That purpose is consistent with one mission of this institution: to proclaim our faith and values to a broader community. For those engaged in the day long endeavor, the program was enthusiastically endorsed.

As is often the case in dealing with difficult questions, misunderstandings or misinterpretations can occur. By now many of you have read the Tennessean article or heard various news reports purporting to summarize comments by Dr. Lee Camp. Having been a participant in that seminar and heard Professor Camp’s statements, I can assure you the article printed in the Tennessean did not accurately reflect the substance of Dr. Camp’s presentation or his personal beliefs.

As a point of clarification, Dr. Camp has provided the following summary statement of his presentation and beliefs.

“On Tuesday, Lipscomb University’s Institute for Conflict Management hosted an “Invitation to Dialogue: Conversations on Religious Conflict.” The full-day program included a variety of speakers, and from a broad range of backgrounds: Jewish, Islamic, and Buddhist, as well as Catholic and Protestant. My assignment for the day was to articulate the “Theological Ground for Peaceful Co-Existence.” Due to a front-page story in The Tennessean that mis-characterized my lecture and beliefs, numerous questions have been raised regarding what I believe, and what I said. Many have expressed feelings of dismay in response to the story, feelings I also shared when I read the report. Brief news stories can seldom do justice to substantive conversations.

“The dialogue prior to my lecture had been most encouraging and refreshing: numerous speakers had insisted that Jews, Muslims, and Christians must not pretend that our differences are insignificant. Moreover, we can acknowledge the seriousness of the differences, while honoring one another. Such conversation encouraged me, precisely because I have long disagreed with those who say that Jews, Muslims, and Christians are all “saying the same thing.” Serious adherents of their respective faiths know this is not the case.

“In my lecture, I too insisted that we must not discard what is most important to us. I am a Christian who holds, without apology, to the Lordship of Jesus. I cannot accept any strategy of “conflict resolution” that asks me to set aside that particular claim. I believe and teach that Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

“This exclusive claim of the authority of Christ thus presents a problem for “conflict management.” I went on to ask these questions: How can the Jew or Muslim trust us Christians if we hold onto the exclusive Lordship of Jesus? Given that I refuse to deny the Lordship of Jesus, what can I or other Christians possibly contribute to peace-making, whether global or local?

“Here is my answer: Because I profess that Jesus is Lord of Lords, I have committed myself to loving both neighbor and enemy. Because I profess that Jesus is King of Kings, I have committed myself to serving and honoring all people. Because I profess that Jesus is the ultimate authority to which all other authorities must submit, that authority requires of me to extend gracious, generous hospitality to the stranger, the pilgrim, and those who do not see the world as I see it.

“This, of course, is not how the authority of Christ has always been practiced. In serious dialog with Jews and Muslims, we American Christians, who tend to have very short historical attention spans, must acknowledge the sins of Christian history. The claim of the Lordship of Jesus has often been divorced from Jesus’ call to be merciful to those with whom we differ. In fact, the claim has often served as a battle-cry, an imperialistic profession used to destroy Jews and Muslims. In view of this history, Jews and Muslims have good reasons for not trusting those who wear the name Christian.

“Because I profess Jesus as Lord, I must let go of any strategy that seeks to violently impose “Jesus is Lord” upon another. I believe and profess “Jesus is Lord,” and am compelled by Jesus’ Lordship to share this Good News world-wide. But if such sharing treats others in a way contrary to the teachings of Jesus, I have thereby denied my profession. I choose not only to proclaim that “Jesus is Lord,” but to live Jesus as Lord, among all—believer or unbeliever, Catholic or Protestant, Muslim or Jew.”

Lee C. Camp
Assoc. Professor of Theology & Ethics
Lipscomb University
29 November 2006

Upon learning of the article in the Tennessean, we reviewed Dr. Camp’s actual comments and sought perspectives from conference attendees. This e-mail from Charles McGowan, a prominent religious leader, was consistent with other comments we received:

“The Tennessean did Lipscomb and Dr. Lee Camp a great disservice in how they reported his remarks. He absolutely did not say what the paper reported him to have said. … I commend Lipscomb University for this bold step and for creating a table to which we would invite Muslims and Jews. It is, however, a risky place and one that requires much grace and wisdom which I believe God will give us if we humbly seek His face.”

As an administration, we believe that continuing this dialogue is essential to fulfilling the ministry of reconciliation to which we have been called and for which Christ died. The ministry of reconciliation is not without risk and is sometimes difficult. As we participate in this dialogue, I encourage each of us to practice the principles of
Matthew 18 as we engage in community with each other.

L. Randolph Lowry III
President, Lipscomb University

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

What do you make of Mark Mardell's interpretation of Mr. Benedict's views on Christianity and Greek tradition: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6195574.stm ?

Is this actually Benedict's stance, or merely the misinterpretation of an atheist/agnostic?

[John Valentine]

"We need to forsake the Christendom model," Camp said. "The most basic Christian commitment … is that we say we believe in the Lordship of Jesus. But, if we claim that, how can a Muslim or Jew trust us, if we say Jesus is the Lord of all Lords?"

Muslims have no need of trusintg Christians since Christians are not asking for their trust. The only thing Christians need of Muslims is for them to put their guns and knives away.

The more pertinent question is how can Christians trust Muslims when their religion explicitly endorses lying to Christians to gain advantage for Islam, and killing Christians when lying doesn't work?