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To: 50sDad; All
Speaking of 70AD,with the Temple destroyed by the Romans, how do the Jews get around all the sacrificial instructions in the Torah?

I say this because this thinking has been used by the homosexual lobby to support their position.

If Jews no longer sacrifice, in violation of the Torah, why not allow gays to marry which is also against the commands of the Torah?

What is the rational by modern Judaism to stop the all the daily, monthly and yearly sacrifices?

18 posted on 12/01/2006 1:39:30 PM PST by Risha (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: Risha

The Sanhedrin is not seated. There is no temple.


37 posted on 12/01/2006 3:01:20 PM PST by Shanty Shaker
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To: Risha

it's not that we are in violation, it is that we are presently unable to fulfill many mitzvos in the Torah.

We still fulfill several hundred of the 613. One day, we will again fulfill the rest.

Torah Jews are still obligated to intensely study the laws of sacrifices and the Sanhedrin etc.... even though it has benn almost 2000 years. many tractate'so of the Talmud deal with these.

certain mitzvos are only applicable in the land of Israel, so some mitzvos and laws have become relevant again since the early 20th century when Jews started repopulating Israel again. Although the commandments have always been required here, they were barely applicable since so few Jews lived here for 2000 years.


51 posted on 12/03/2006 2:27:10 PM PST by Jaysin
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To: Risha
If you look through the Torah, it was always clear God allowed Jews the option of committing sacrifices on His behalf. That's all it was. Judaism is more concerned with ethical conduct than with fulfilling ritual norms. The prophetic literature doesn't deal by and large with ritual violations. For the Prophets, the sin of the Jews lay in their failure to act justly in their dealings with their fellow men and by extension with God. The task of Man on this earth is to be the best person he can be. Then and only then will he will have a loving relationship with His Creator.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

56 posted on 12/03/2006 2:30:39 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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59 posted on 12/03/2006 2:45:12 PM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 66-68)
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To: Risha
how do the Jews get around all the sacrificial instructions in the Torah?

After the Temple was destroyed, the physical sacrifices were substituted by the order of prayer, repentance and giving of charity. Every prayer is concluded with a plea to rebuild the Temple so that the commanded sacrifices can be resumed.

60 posted on 12/03/2006 2:50:41 PM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 66-68)
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To: Risha
What is the rational by modern Judaism to stop the all the daily, monthly and yearly sacrifices?

Without the Temple, the existance of "The Holy of Holies," and the Priestly Caste, sacrifices are prohibited.

Mark

62 posted on 12/03/2006 3:01:29 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Risha
Speaking of 70AD,with the Temple destroyed by the Romans, how do the Jews get around all the sacrificial instructions in the Torah?

I say this because this thinking has been used by the homosexual lobby to support their position.

If Jews no longer sacrifice, in violation of the Torah, why not allow gays to marry which is also against the commands of the Torah?

What is the rational by modern Judaism to stop the all the daily, monthly and yearly sacrifices?

Hoo boy.

Judaism did not "stop" the sacrifices. They were stopped for them by the Romans (and before that, the Babylonians).

The qorbanot (offerings) can only be offered in the Temple. When there is no Temple they cannot be offered. Just like during the Babylonian Exile--the offerings ceased until the Temple was rebuilt.

The Holy Torah warns Israel numerous times of the penalty for abandoning it. These consequences include exile, when no offerings can be brought. The Torah also promises that when Israel repents and returns to the Torah they will be restored. When this happens the Temple will be rebuilt and the offerings resumed.

Chr*stians (very dishonestly) have always maintained that the Torah's warnings refer to "rejecting the messiah." The Torah says not one solitary word about "rejecting the messiah." All the warnings are about abandoning the Torah. Chr*stians demand that Jews do exactly this--abandon the Torah and replace it with something else. The demands of chr*stianity thus contradict the plain words of G-d in the Holy Torah. Chr*stians get around this because of their a priori assumption of the veracity of the "new testament," but this is a violation of logic ("affirmation of the consequent"). The plain fact it that unless one begins with the assumption that the "new testament" has superseded the Torah (G-d forbid!) that the plain words of the Torah insist that it is to be observed forever and never replaced with anything else. Chr*stianity basically insists that today it is the observance of Torah that is the sin and the abandonment of Torah in favor of chr*stianity that G-d requires. But this view cannot be retrojected into the Torah!

The Torah told Israel that this would happen. They would abandon it and be scattered to the four corners of the earth. During this exile no offerings are possible. The Torah distinguishes between those laws that are to be observed everywhere at all times and those that can only be observed in the Land of Israel, or when the Temple is in existence. The Torah ends all its prophecies of exile with the promise to restore Israel to its land. For two thousand years chr*stianity (especially the non-Fundamentalist variety) has absurdly claimed that these promises apply "mystically" to the chr*stian church. Once again, you have to already believe this before you can retroject this belief into the Torah.

Kindly read your Bible from the front before posting such comments again.

71 posted on 12/04/2006 7:43:51 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ("Ya`aqov lo' ye'amer `od shimkha ki-'im Yisra'el; ki-sarita `im-'Eloqim ve`im-'anashim vatukhal.")
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