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US, India to be closest nations by 2020: Biden
The News (Pakistan) ^ | Dec 2006 | Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman

Posted on 12/01/2006 2:19:29 PM PST by Gengis Khan

WASHINGTON: A powerful US senator has a “dream” that could become a nightmare for peaceful countries like Pakistan, China and Iran with no history of aggression against their neighbours.

Joseph Biden (D-Delaware), the incoming chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told an Indian weekly: “My dream is that in 2020 the two closest nations in the world will be India and United States. If that occurs, the world will be safer.” Referring to the “decades of mistrust and suspicion” between India and United States, Biden said “This is the single most important relationship that we have to get right for our own safety’s sake.”

He assured India that as the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he would not bring up the issue of Kashmir without “consultations with India”. He said, “We should use whatever positive pressure we can to move in the direction (Indian Prime Minister Manmohan) Singh is moving.” It may be mentioned that Indian Congress President Sonia Gandhi stated on November 28 that negotiations with Pakistan would continue but India’s position on Kashmir would not change. India holds that Kashmir is an “integral part of India.”

Justifying India’s nuclear programme, Biden said, “India lives in a very rough neighbourhood.”


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1 posted on 12/01/2006 2:19:31 PM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan
Hmm. Weird dream.

Personally, my dream is that in 2020, the US will be the world's lone superpower.
2 posted on 12/01/2006 2:21:26 PM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: Gengis Khan

Just how much harm can he do I wonder.


3 posted on 12/01/2006 2:21:26 PM PST by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser and Shalit, we are praying for you)
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To: Gengis Khan

This "news"paper is unwise to translate its propaganda into English.


4 posted on 12/01/2006 2:24:01 PM PST by gwb2OO4
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To: Gengis Khan

I wasn't aware we had that much of a problem with India.


5 posted on 12/01/2006 2:24:24 PM PST by wolfpat (To connect the dots, you have to collect the dots.)
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To: Gengis Khan

Well...I can see some truth in what he said, in that India is a growing power and far preferable to most of the other powerful nation over there (China, Russia, the Muslim nations...)


6 posted on 12/01/2006 2:24:40 PM PST by marsh_of_mists
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To: wolfpat

I don't think we do.

I will say one thing, I'd rather be close partners with India than China or Russia.


7 posted on 12/01/2006 2:25:12 PM PST by RockinRight (There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.)
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To: Gengis Khan

But this place gets really low scores on every Condé Nast survey I've seen.

/Joe's Wife

If Isuzu Joe can handle India, he's a tougher monkey than I thought. I hear it's, um, a little unpleasant to visit. My dad just got back from a round the world tour basically. He went to India then South Africa. India was the absolute pits, South Africa a joy.


8 posted on 12/01/2006 2:25:53 PM PST by kinghorse (calls them like I sees them)
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To: RockinRight
I'd rather be close partners with India than China or Russia.

You said that right!
9 posted on 12/01/2006 2:26:48 PM PST by wolfpat (To connect the dots, you have to collect the dots.)
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To: Gengis Khan
A powerful US senator has a “dream” that could become a nightmare for peaceful countries like Pakistan, China and Iran with no history of aggression against their neighbours.

Really?

10 posted on 12/01/2006 2:26:54 PM PST by HoosierHawk
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To: HoosierHawk

Remember, this IS from a Pakistani newspaper.


11 posted on 12/01/2006 2:28:36 PM PST by RockinRight (There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.)
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To: Gengis Khan
"a “dream” that could become a nightmare for peaceful countries like Pakistan, China and Iran with no history of aggression against their neighbours."

I wonder what this reporter has been smoking? Iran and China are not peaceful countries who have have no history of aggression. Just ask Tibet and Iraq about how peaceful they are.
12 posted on 12/01/2006 2:29:44 PM PST by White Bear ("Una salus victus nullam sperare salutem" - The one hope of the doomed is not to hope for safety.)
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To: Gengis Khan

He must have stock options invested in India.


13 posted on 12/01/2006 2:30:23 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Gengis Khan

"like Pakistan, China and Iran with no history of aggression against their neighbours."

Utter propaganda flag went off right there...


14 posted on 12/01/2006 2:30:23 PM PST by piytar
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To: RockinRight

I know. Must be Pakistan's New York Times.;)


15 posted on 12/01/2006 2:30:32 PM PST by HoosierHawk
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To: Gengis Khan

I can see where they would be really bad for China, and Japan, and Korea, and any other country that would have to subsume into the ocean in order for India and the United States to move that close to each other.


:->


16 posted on 12/01/2006 2:32:30 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Gengis Khan

All my doctors at the Veterans Affairs hospitals have been Indian, and they seem more than competent and take the time to listen. I need a lap band for my "Dunlap's Disease" and my doctor said that I can get the job done for about $1000 in Bangalore (including private room, private nurse and first class care) versus $40000 here or $20000 in Mexico.


17 posted on 12/01/2006 2:35:46 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Hailey Barbour/John Bolton 2008)
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To: Gengis Khan
Any nightmare for Pakistan and Iran is good for the world.
18 posted on 12/01/2006 2:36:16 PM PST by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: Gengis Khan

He must be off his Prozac again.


19 posted on 12/01/2006 2:38:47 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Gengis Khan

I know they own most every motel in the country!


20 posted on 12/01/2006 2:40:20 PM PST by longhorn too
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To: Gengis Khan

The Moron from Delaware pontificates. God only knows what damage a complete fool like Biden can do.


21 posted on 12/01/2006 2:42:13 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: RockinRight

Same here. China and Russia are run by tyrants and its only going to get worse.


22 posted on 12/01/2006 2:52:33 PM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Bahbah

Biden is dangerously stupid. Have you ever watched him in committee ask seven and eight minute to witnesses? Then when they begin an answer he cuts them off to ask another long question.

The man is in love with the sound of his voice.


23 posted on 12/01/2006 2:52:56 PM PST by kjo
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To: kjo
The man is in love with the sound of his voice.

I have noticed. And he doesn't need to listen to answers to questions. He already knows everything. He is as arrogant as he is dumb.

24 posted on 12/01/2006 2:56:40 PM PST by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser and Shalit, we are praying for you)
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To: Gengis Khan

25 posted on 12/01/2006 3:00:20 PM PST by Doogle (USAF 68-73...."never store a threat you should have eliminated")
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To: Gengis Khan
peaceful countries like Pakistan, China and Iran with no history of aggression against their neighbours.

Scrappleface? Onion?

26 posted on 12/01/2006 3:12:07 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: Gengis Khan
Remember this???

Biden Sterotypes Indian-Americans
27 posted on 12/01/2006 3:13:01 PM PST by MassachusettsGOP (May the West and Republicans Always Win...)
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To: Gengis Khan

The best thing that ever happened to India was being made a part of the British Empire. It's taken a century or so, but now India is truly beginning to reap the rewards of having learned how to respect order and the rule of law in an English-speaking democracy.


28 posted on 12/01/2006 3:24:08 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
The best thing that ever happened to India was being made a part of the British Empire. It's taken a century or so, but now India is truly beginning to reap the rewards of having learned how to respect order and the rule of law in an English-speaking democracy.

This is true and a singular reason for the desirability of cementing a firm alliance. They wasted a generation dallying with the scumbag Nehru, but have been making up ground lost due to that socialist abortion in recent decades. Plus they have a billion people entering the middle class(read: "Market") faster than China's are.

29 posted on 12/01/2006 3:56:12 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: snarks_when_bored

The best thing that ever happened to India was being made a part of the British Empire. It's taken a century or so, but now India is truly beginning to reap the rewards of having learned how to respect order and the rule of law in an English-speaking democracy.



No sir...That is exteremely wrong statement...In the 1700 when the british were not around,India produced 20% of the world's GDP ...By the time british left in 1947 India was barely producing 1% of the world's GDP....If India would have somehow managed to stay independent of the british, India would be rivaling today's Japan in terms of development... British leeches did nothing but suck blood out of India.....They systematically destroyed industry and skills..
I am surprised to hear such comments from Americans who themselves threw away the British rule...


30 posted on 12/01/2006 7:21:01 PM PST by MunnaP
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To: hinckley buzzard

Any informed student of India's modern history will tell you that many of Nehru's social & economic policies laid a solid foundation for building prosperity,but which was wasted after the 60s.The only major mistake he made in the economy was not adequately reforming the agro-sector.


31 posted on 12/01/2006 8:44:03 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: piytar
Utter propaganda flag went off right there...

I still have spots before my eyes from my propogandometer vaporizing.

32 posted on 12/01/2006 8:53:47 PM PST by null and void (To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funnybone. --Reba McEntire)
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To: MunnaP
I am surprised to hear such comments from Americans who themselves threw away the British rule...

That's gonna leave a mark! Gotta love all the Dasee...

33 posted on 12/01/2006 9:00:06 PM PST by null and void (To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funnybone. --Reba McEntire)
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To: Gengis Khan

Did Biden say this, or did he steal it from Neil Kinnock?


34 posted on 12/01/2006 9:03:18 PM PST by CurlyBill (Democrats: Weak on defense, soft on crime, tough on your wallet)
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To: MunnaP
I didn't say that it wasn't necessary for India to ultimately throw off British rule; it was, just as it was necessary for the American colonies to do so. But what India got from the British was respect for the rule of law, a weakening of the caste system in favor of meritocracy, etc. Here's a passage from Wikipedia:

The British colonial rule brought along an institutional environment that guaranteed property rights, ensured free trade, had fixed exchange rates, uniform currency system, open capital markets, created a well developed system of railways and telegraphs, a bureaucracy free from political interferences and a modern legal system.

These are very important achievements, indeed, I would submit.

While it's true that towards the end of British rule, India was suffering from economic stagnation and other problems, the GDP comparisons you make don't take into account the enormous expansion of world GDP during the time you mention as a result of industrialization and the expansion of markets mediated by the British Empire and other political entities. So if India's percentage of world GDP shrank during the two-and-a-half centures from 1700 to 1950, that goes hand-in-hand with the just-mentioned global expansion.

By leaving India with the legacy mentioned in the quoted passage above, the British prepared her to work out her own internal problems in an orderly and systematic way, paving the way for the blossoming of India that we're beginning to witness today.

If you're Indian, please forgive me for seeming to disagree with you about the history of your own country. Let me emphasize that I'm presenting my take on things as I see them from a distance and I'm certainly open to being corrected about matters that I might have gotten wrong.

Best regards to you...

35 posted on 12/01/2006 9:03:57 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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Guys, let me tell you what Biden's doing for the Dims.

Biden is the mine-sweeper. His job is to go out there and throw some red-meat in the air, and the REAL Democrat candidates for President are gauging reaction from it. That's all it is. Biden came out swinging against Mexico a few days ago.

The Democrats are going to court the conservative vote with a vengeance in 2008. They are going right at the GOP's gut. This is the new Rat strategy.

(1) If the GOP moves further to the right, the Dems will claim the "conservative-middle" (watch for this new slogan by the Dims) and say that Republicans are again pandering to the "extreme right."
(2) If the GOP moves to the left, they will lose the conservative vote and the independents will just vote for the Dims.

36 posted on 12/01/2006 9:12:19 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Well...You are enitled to your opinions...


There is a tendency in the anglophone world to depict the British colonial rule as somehow beneficial to the 'Brown' races of India. The color equation is alway just below the surface. The beneficial nature of british rule is a very incorrect assesment..I am going to dispute whatever is written in Wikipedia article..I was not aware of this article in Wikipedia...

The reason why India could not expand econimically when the whole world was expanding was the blood sucking british that you think so highly of. They created conditions that would benefit themselves and whatever so called development they carried out (say railways..etc) were precisely geared to exploit the resources of India for their own development...The british rule was worse than the Muslim rule..The muslims came..conquered but left most of the population and the economy alone. The british on the other had ruined India economically.....


37 posted on 12/01/2006 9:19:06 PM PST by MunnaP
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To: MunnaP

The british left India economically ruined and left her with the festering issues like Kashmir as a parting gift...
After 60 years of independence, I would not say that all that is wrong is because of British but certainly some blame goes to them and that outweighs any 'favors' the british did to India......India had nothing to thank for to the British...


Well this whole thing has nothing to do with the US-India relations... Bygones are bygones and US and India are natural partners...


38 posted on 12/01/2006 9:24:16 PM PST by MunnaP
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To: MunnaP
There is a tendency in the anglophone world to depict the British colonial rule as somehow beneficial to the 'Brown' races of India. The color equation is alway just below the surface.

I made no mention of color, nor was I thinking about color. Indeed, I made a post on another thread a few days ago pointing out that East Asians (which includes Indians) score about 6 points higher on standardized I.Q. tests than do Caucasians. Moreover, the few Indians I know are among the smartest people I've ever met, as well as being warm and wonderful folks. So nothing I said should be taken to be coming from a racial point of view.

The british rule was worse than the Muslim rule..The muslims came..conquered but left most of the population and the economy alone.

It's impossible to re-write history, of course, but I would submit that had India been colonized completely by muslims and had muslim rule extended to the present day, India would be in the same predicament as other islamically controlled nations are today, to wit, completely dependent upon Western ideas and technologies for their continued survival. India has been fortunate indeed to avoid such a potential catastrophe.

39 posted on 12/01/2006 9:30:30 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

East Asian Indians ARE caucasians.

(It's a small part of why we speak a language in the Indo-European language group)


40 posted on 12/01/2006 9:50:25 PM PST by null and void (To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funnybone. --Reba McEntire)
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To: null and void

I probably should've said 'European Caucasians' rather than just 'Caucasians'. European Caucasians are the ones responsible for I.Q. tests in the first place.


41 posted on 12/01/2006 10:06:11 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
Or simply Europeans.

It's just a little sore spot for me, as far as I know all of my ancestors came from Europe, and I wish to include the Dasee in my circle.

There is something in the mindsets of Pakistanis and Indians the resonates with me.
42 posted on 12/01/2006 10:12:49 PM PST by null and void (To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funnybone. --Reba McEntire)
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To: null and void

I understand your point and am happy to speak of 'Europeans', as you suggest.


43 posted on 12/01/2006 10:17:13 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

Thanks, I really didn't mean to jump on you!

;^)


44 posted on 12/01/2006 10:19:12 PM PST by null and void (To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funnybone. --Reba McEntire)
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To: wolfpat

They are not too happy about the weapons we sell Pakisatn.


45 posted on 12/01/2006 10:19:24 PM PST by BiffBonko
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To: Gengis Khan

Biden has a point here. The US could use some leverage on Pakistan by getting closer with India, and maybe they would get tougher with the AL Qaeda in their country.


46 posted on 12/01/2006 10:22:14 PM PST by BiffBonko
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To: null and void
I didn't take your comments amiss...

Best regards...

47 posted on 12/01/2006 10:22:28 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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What happened to Pakistan and Iraq?


48 posted on 12/01/2006 10:23:40 PM PST by BiffBonko
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What happened to Pakistan and Iraq?

I'm not sure what you're asking...

49 posted on 12/01/2006 10:27:08 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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Oh, I see that you were responding to my original comment (#28) on this thread.

I regret to say that Pakistan bears a much heavier burden of islam than does India, and, of course, Iraq is almost entirely islamic.

50 posted on 12/01/2006 10:29:38 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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