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Gay Marriage Bill Is Back (CA liberals back to work)
Sacramento Bee ^

Posted on 12/01/2006 2:45:53 PM PST by Princip. Conservative

A San Francisco assemblyman will introduce new legislation to allow gay marriage when the Legislature reconvenes for its new session Monday.

Democratic Assemblyman Mark Leno said his bill will be nearly identical to one vetoed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in September 2005.

California law currently does not permit gay marriage, but many of the same rights and responsibilities are granted to gay couples who register with the state as domestic partners.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: caglbt; callegislation; homosexualagenda; markleno; perverts; samesexmarriage
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Democrat Phil Angelides promised to sign this bill and would have done so in a heartbeat. And the Dem legislature remains exactly the same as it was before.

Aren't we glad that Governor Schwarzenegger is there for 4 more years to stop this unconstitutional trash?

1 posted on 12/01/2006 2:45:56 PM PST by Princip. Conservative
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To: Princip. Conservative

Mark Leno, the Assemblyman doing this, just never learns.

Here in CA, the voters passed Prop 22 years ago. It said "marriage" was between a man and a woman. We also have a "domestic partners" law here, that is not "marriage", so it's legal under Prop 22.

Leno wants to have the bill passed. But even if Arnold signed it, it would be valid. Under CA law, an initiative passed by the people can only be reversed or amended by the people, NOT the legislature.

What a huge waste of time. The Domestic Partner law bestows all "spousal" rights on same sex couples. The DP law is also valid for older opposite-sex couples who don't want to lose federal survivor benefits.


2 posted on 12/01/2006 2:50:09 PM PST by sdillard
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To: Princip. Conservative

I wonder if we can get a cease and desist order against these lawmakers to force them to stop generating trash law after the voters have had their say on the subject? They are wasting legislators time when they could be addressing the impact that illegal immigration is having on the state's economy.


3 posted on 12/01/2006 2:50:33 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: Princip. Conservative

Yes, it's good Arnold is there to veto this again.

Even if Angelides had won and signed the bill, it would be in court, along with the other gay marriage cases still pending in Calif.

Mark Leno said that though the people voted in Prop. 22 which defined marriage, that it applies only to out-of-state marriages. That's the legal rationale behind his bill. Whether that's true would have to be tested in court before the legislature can pass a gay marriage bill.

The MSM has been totally clueless about this. They have taken Mark Leno's word as gospel as far as what Prop. 22 meant. And so they dutifully report that he wants to pass a gay marriage bill, when it's not clear that he has the legal right to do so. A court may have to decide this legal issue.

In Calif, a law passed by the people has a higher legal status than a legislative law. So the marriage law, Prop. 22 takes priority over what the legislature does.

The California Supreme Court is expected to rule sometime in the summer of 2007 on the issue of homosexual marriage, so this bill may not matter anyway.


4 posted on 12/01/2006 2:51:56 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Princip. Conservative
California law currently does not permit gay marriage, but many of the same rights and responsibilities are granted to gay couples who register with the state as domestic partners.

The Leftist purpose is to destroy marriage, not help gays. Gays already live better than the average person, and they can protect their assets the same as a married couple.

5 posted on 12/01/2006 2:52:44 PM PST by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: sdillard

All good points, some of which I added in my post too.

Yes this is a waste of time, until and unless the court rules that Prop. 22 is unconstitutional. If Prop. 22 is constitutional, then Leno can't legally even pass this bill. If Prop. 22 is found unconstitutional, then he can go marry his partner under the court order and none of this would be necessary anyway.

Arnold has been supportive of gay rights but vetoed the previous marriage bill. He may have vetoed precisely to avoid the additional legal entanglements that would have resulted.


6 posted on 12/01/2006 2:54:17 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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"The California Supreme Court is expected to rule sometime in the summer of 2007 on the issue of homosexual marriage, so this bill may not matter anyway."

Exactly. I have a hunch that they'll rule the right way on this one. Pro-gay marriage rulings are out of vogue in the US right now - thank goodness. Even a California Court of Appeals ruled 2-1 in favor of Proposition 22 recently.


7 posted on 12/01/2006 2:54:20 PM PST by Princip. Conservative
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To: Princip. Conservative
The concept is to wear down the general unconcerned electorate. Keep 'gay marriage' (whatever the hell that's supposed to be) in the news constantly and many of the sheeple will become numb and/or accustomed to the idea.
8 posted on 12/01/2006 2:56:47 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Princip. Conservative

If the court challenges already in the pipeline fail, he will sign it. It's what the people want will be what he will offer as to the reason for doing so.


Never mind that courts have in the past could care less what people have voted for like Prop 22.


9 posted on 12/01/2006 2:58:46 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08)
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To: Princip. Conservative

I was slow in replying so it looks like others have covered current pending legal action. Thanks for posting this.

The left and those who push its agenda never sleeps..


10 posted on 12/01/2006 3:00:48 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08)
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To: Princip. Conservative
Aren't we glad that Governor Schwarzenegger is there for 4 more years to stop this unconstitutional trash?

OK if I bookmark this and throw it back at you when he begins negotiations on the bill?

11 posted on 12/01/2006 3:03:14 PM PST by ElkGroveDan ( What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul?)
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To: ElkGroveDan

"OK if I bookmark this and throw it back at you when he begins negotiations on the bill?"

You're welcome to, but I don't think he'll back down anytime soon.


12 posted on 12/01/2006 3:06:25 PM PST by Princip. Conservative
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To: Princip. Conservative

13 posted on 12/01/2006 3:11:13 PM PST by traditional1
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To: ElkGroveDan

The question is if he will wait until the court rules before he does the deed. He has said he will abide with whatever the people or in the end the court decides.

We'll see.

He ain't up for re-election or election anytime soon, altho he could be for Recall. ;-)


14 posted on 12/01/2006 3:11:48 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08)
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To: Princip. Conservative; NormsRevenge
You're welcome to, but I don't think he'll back down anytime soon.

Why? He's backed down on just about everything near and dear to Republicans already. Keep an eye on the drivers licenses, that's next . Look for tax increases in this year's budget (not the proposed one in January, but the version he hammers out with Democrats after a long summer stalemate).

15 posted on 12/01/2006 3:19:15 PM PST by ElkGroveDan ( What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul?)
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If things go as the dems and the gUb would seem to be likely to porpose, we counld see not just a 10% leap in the budget (which is roughly the average increase the last 3 years, we could be looking at a 12-13 % jump and that is a conservative estimate.

He may not have a lot of time to spend on the diversity thing , but his staff will.


16 posted on 12/01/2006 3:36:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08)
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To: sdillard
No one seriously believes that the bill could take effect unless Prop 22 is struck down. However, it is entirely possible that the California Supreme Court could strike down Prop 22 but instead of imposing gay marriage (the Massachusetts approach) could either demand the legislature pick between marriage or some local equivalent (the Vermont and New Jersey approach) or could simply say that Prop 22 was invalid because it was discriminatory but not proceed to impose any specific requirement thereafter. In either case, the Leno bill would make perfect sense to those support gay marriage.

The real issue with the Leno bill is that in California, quite unlike New Jersey or Massachussets, the legislature can't stand in the way of the initiative Constitutional Amendment process, meaning that any decision of the state Supreme Court can be overruled by the people. While they'd fight it hard, a 2008 gay marriage ban amendment would almost certainly pass, thus mooting anything the Supreme Court or the legislature and Governor might have done in the meantime.
17 posted on 12/01/2006 4:01:49 PM PST by only1percent
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By the way, the "strike down 22 and do no more" approach is quite feasible. It would be essentially an application of the Roemer v. Evans reasoning, although opponents of gay marriage won't be particularly happy with that, since Roemer was the throat-clearing that resolved itself so clearly seven years later in Lawrence, which directly paved the way for Goodrich and which with could well form the basis of the decision which would nationally legalize gay marriage.
18 posted on 12/01/2006 4:54:20 PM PST by only1percent
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To: Princip. Conservative; Dilbert San Diego
See that FO has brought in the reserves now that the Autrian's other party activities were just made public.
19 posted on 12/01/2006 5:54:53 PM PST by Amerigomag
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What's the big deal with gay marriage - it's even allowed in South Africa.
20 posted on 12/01/2006 10:00:20 PM PST by yzerfontein
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