Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Focus: Cracking the code of the nuclear assassin (incredibly comprehensive article on Litvinenko)
Sunday Times (U.K.) ^ | Dec 2, 2006 | Sunday Times Reporting Team from London, Moscow and Rome

Posted on 12/02/2006 5:43:22 PM PST by jdm

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-44 next last
To: jdm
Mr. Kivelidi, 46, the head of the Russian Business Round Table, was killed by cadmium, a heavy metal, the police said. His secretary also died of poisoning.

They used cadmium on him..

21 posted on 12/02/2006 6:59:08 PM PST by Dog (Hey Red Sox forget the Japanese pitchers for $42mil I'll talk to you for $10 million.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: mdittmar
Spy's have been killing spy's without any trace,that's why they're called spy's,for decades,why polonium-210 in this instance,which was bound to cause all this publicity?

It would have been easier to shoot him in the head with a silenced .22 and then stolen his wallet. A lot less suspicion would have fallen on the KGB that way. This was done to kill him publically, horribly and painfully as a warning to others.

That the KGB feels free to conduct a public killing in London shows the contempt the rest of the world (justifiably) holds the west in. That Blair is most concerned about "managing" the relationship with Russia shows the depths to which we have sunk. He should expel all their diplomats today.

We would do no better. Had this happened in the US, our State Dept would be busy working to smooth things out and cover up Moscow's involvement.

22 posted on 12/02/2006 6:59:26 PM PST by ModelBreaker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Dog

I thought it was cardemom.


23 posted on 12/02/2006 7:01:37 PM PST by Silly (Still being... Silly)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Dog
Dog, Thanks for your interest and posts. I'm going to post a 1995 NY Times article related to Kivelidi in a sec.
24 posted on 12/02/2006 7:01:50 PM PST by jdm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: ModelBreaker
It would have been easier to shoot him in the head with a silenced .22 and then stolen his wallet. A lot less suspicion would have fallen on the KGB that way. This was done to kill him publically, horribly and painfully as a warning to others.

That's the "problem," I think. Who has suffered very long from a shot to the head?

25 posted on 12/02/2006 7:03:14 PM PST by jdm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Dog
Not sure how helpful this is...

Aug 17, 1995 -- NY TIMES...

Pulling up in chauffeur-driven limousines and surrounded by bodyguards, a group of Russia's richest men gathered today outside the former K.G.B. headquarters to protest the murders of dozens of businessmen.

The demonstration was provoked by the fatal poisoning of a prominent banker, Ivan Kivelidi, earlier this month.

Mr. Kivelidi, 46, headed Rosbiznesbank, a leading bank, and the Roundtable, an influential Russian business organization.

During the brief demonstration, Mr. Kivelidi's deputy read a statement from the Roundtable calling for a Government crackdown on crime. Then the dozens of businessmen lighted candles and observed a moment of silence.

The Roundtable, which represents the 200 largest businesses in Russia, says there have been 90 attacks on businessmen in the past year, 46 of them fatal. Nine senior members of the Roundtable have been murdered.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CEED61E31F934A2575BC0A963958260&n=Top%2fNews%2fWorld%2fCountries%20and%20Territories%2fRussia

26 posted on 12/02/2006 7:06:37 PM PST by jdm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: jdm

Tough country..


27 posted on 12/02/2006 7:10:54 PM PST by Dog (Hey Red Sox forget the Japanese pitchers for $42mil I'll talk to you for $10 million.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Dog
Whoa, check this out. Just 4-5 months ago authorities nabbed the person who killed Kivelidi way back in 1995.

I think Britain should track down and question this Vladimir Khutsishvili guy, don't you think?

JULY 6, 2006: Suspect Captured in Top Banker's [Kivelidi] Killing

Police have arrested the man suspected of killing wealthy banker Ivan Kivelidi in 1995 by lacing his telephone with a toxic substance. A conviction would close the book on one of Russia's most infamous and enigmatic contract murders.

Vladimir Khutsishvili, once a close friend of Kivelidi, was arrested Friday in central Moscow after an acquaintance tipped off police that he had returned to town, police spokesman Vadim Kolesnik said.

Khutsishvili, who had an international warrant out for his arrest and may have been hiding in the United States, was detained without incident at around 8:30 a.m. Friday at 32 Ulitsa Yefremova, near the Frunzenskaya metro station, Kolesnik said.

Khutsishvili denied any involvement in Kivelidi's death.

Kivelidi, the founder of Rosbiznesbank and one of the country's richest businessmen in the mid-1990s, fell into a coma Aug. 1, 1995, and died three days later. His personal secretary, Zara Ismailova, died Aug. 3, 1995, after falling ill with similar symptoms.

An investigation found that the two had suffered a severe reaction to a highly toxic substance smeared on Kivelidi's telephone. Law enforcement officials said in January 2001 that the substance was a top-secret chemical warfare agent produced in a military chemical factory in the Saratov region, Interfax reported.

Kivelidi's friends would not have suspected anything was amiss had Ismailova not died, because Kivelidi, who was 46, was taken to the hospital almost weekly to be treated for heart problems, Kommersant reported Saturday.

The business newspaper Vek, which was founded by Kivelidi, reported in 1995 that on the day Kivelidi fell ill, Khutsishvili had spent several hours in his office while he was out.

Four years after Kivelidi's death, Moscow police detained a man who claimed to have sold the substance to Khutsishvili, Kommersant reported.

The police spokesman could not confirm that report and referred questions to the City Prosecutor's Office, which is handling the investigation.

City Prosecutor's Office spokesman Sergei Marchenko declined to comment, citing the ongoing investigation.

Along with the murders of journalists Vladislav Listyev and Dmitry Kholodov, the Kivelidi case is one of the country's most infamous unsolved crimes from the 1990s. Kivelidi also headed the Russian Business Roundtable, a now-defunct lobby group that encompassed 270 business associations around the country. He had frequently accused the police of failing to protect businessmen and investigate their murders.

Khutsishvili, now 50, was initially detained two months after Kivelidi's death. The night before Kivelidi died, investigators said at the time, the two had fought over Kivelidi's plans to issue more shares in Rosbiznesbank, which would have effectively diluted Khutsishvili's stake in the bank, Kommersant reported.

Members of the Russian Business Roundtable rallied behind Khutsishvili, and he was released a month later due to lack of evidence. He had disappeared by the time Moscow prosecutors charged him in connection with the two deaths, in January 2000.

"He had an international warrant out for his arrest, and we believe he spent several years in the United States," Kolesnik said. He did not elaborate.

Khutsishvili said in comments broadcast on NTV television Saturday that he planned to challenge his arrest.

"This was my friend whom I worked for, and this terrible deed has completely bankrupted me," Khutsishvili said.

The statute of limitations for murder is 10 years, but police said it had not expired in Khutsishvili's case because he was only charged in 2000.

Someone should swab the phone at Litvinenko's office and Sushi bar!

28 posted on 12/02/2006 7:19:07 PM PST by jdm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: jdm
Law enforcement officials said in January 2001 that the substance was a top-secret chemical warfare agent produced in a military chemical factory in the Saratov region, Interfax reported.

These people don't screw around when they kill you.

29 posted on 12/02/2006 7:23:54 PM PST by Dog (Hey Red Sox forget the Japanese pitchers for $42mil I'll talk to you for $10 million.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Dog
_ _ _ _ _Igor _ _ _ _ _ _ _?

Litvinenko's Spetsnaz Poisoner Named

30 posted on 12/02/2006 7:45:51 PM PST by jdm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Dog
I see an Igor Morozov, but probably not the same guy.

Russia's Poisonous Foreign Policy

31 posted on 12/02/2006 7:50:15 PM PST by jdm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: mdittmar
"... which was bound to cause all this publicity?"

Sending a message to others who might be disposed to do as Litvinenko had done? All those others would have to do is open a newspaper or switch on a TV and they would know.

32 posted on 12/02/2006 8:40:01 PM PST by Bonaparte
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: jdm

b4l8r


33 posted on 12/02/2006 8:49:23 PM PST by AFreeBird (If American "cowboy diplomacy" did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mdittmar
why polonium-210 in this instance,which was bound to cause all this publicity?

...and to be traced back to Russia, as this was? Well, I'll tell you. Or rather, I will show you.

Q: What is the significance of Sasha Litvinenko?

A: He is a defector from the FSB.

Q: Who benefits if a defector is rather publically delivered unto a gruesome death?

A: Hmmm....

Q: What does this say about MI5/MI6 ability to protect targeted defectors?

Q: What effects will this have on other would-be defectors to the UK or USA?

Believe me, this killing was meant to get attention. It was the organization which is still at its core the Cheka sending a message that the black heart of Dzherzhinsky still animates that particular monster.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

34 posted on 12/02/2006 9:23:18 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F (Build more lampposts... we've got plenty of traitors.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: jdm

Bookmark n' Bump ...


35 posted on 12/02/2006 9:24:47 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Never Forget / Giuliani 2008)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: snarks_when_bored
A little dark, but still humerus.


36 posted on 12/02/2006 11:30:59 PM PST by labette (I'm not an expert, but I play one on Free Republic. You can too!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: labette

Ping


37 posted on 12/02/2006 11:50:38 PM PST by the Real fifi
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: jdm
Re: from the link your number 30,

"In 1992 and 1993, (Andrei) Lugovoi worked as deputy head of the guard for Egor Gaidar, who was prime minister at the time."

Lugovoi possibly could still be Egor's (Yegor's) goon.

People might say his middle name is Egor when doing business with him.

38 posted on 12/03/2006 12:04:56 AM PST by Hell to pay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: mdittmar
The Polonium was not supposed to be discovered. Look what England had to do just to discover this poison.

Eventually a sample of Litvinenko’s urine was sent for testing at the Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE) at Aldermaston. Again geiger counters showed only a tiny amount more gamma radiation than the normal background level. In the end scientists decided to use an alpha detector and were shocked to find a stream of helium nuclei being emitted from the sample.

If Atomic Weapons Scientists were shocked, you can bet the farm that the police had no clue whatsoever. The scientists had to invent new methods to isolate the Polonium from the organics. See following quote.

“It’s not easy because the standard methods you use do not work for polonium,” said Priest. “The methods were worked out at Aldermaston.”

In typical testing of a sample, organic matter is burnt off to leave foreign substances. But that might easily have vaporised the polonium as well, leaving no trace of the poison.

Again, it would have been impossible for police or Scotland Yard to have identified the Polonium accurately. See the following quote.

It was only the skills and experience of the AWE, which used to process polonium for use in the triggers in nuclear bombs, that led to the substance being identified.

IMHO - This is the most important part of this article. The Polonium was not supposed to be detected !

39 posted on 12/03/2006 2:03:11 AM PST by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: jdm

40 posted on 12/03/2006 2:34:16 AM PST by Bon mots
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-44 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson