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Removing 4 Klamath River dams may save money, report finds
Los Angeles Times ^ | December 2, 2006 | Eric Bailey

Posted on 12/02/2006 7:51:20 PM PST by calcowgirl

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To: marsh2; Iconoclast2; forester; tubebender; Carry_Okie; Jim Robinson
I know this is blastphemy to counties that border, or surround major metro areas like Sacramento, or even maybe Redding, but haven't you guy got any Real Estate Developers up there that could get a mini-landrush going to help justify a utility special district?

Our El Dorado Irrigation District recently purchased Project 184 from PG&E and just got it re-licensed with FERC! I'm just coming up with off-the-wall ideas to see if something would "pencil out."

At least with ownership by a JPA or a Special District or any other governmental, or even quasi governmental agency, you keep the control in local hands in a small enough entity that it remains close to the people!!!

You guys need an Aluminum industry, or some other huge manufacturing employer that needs gobs of cheap electricity and less expensive labor to move in there and buy up the whole thing and solve a whole raft of your social welfare problems!!!

Well... What's the matter with that idea? Too much tinfoil hat for ya???

Git ahold of the aluminum beer can manufacturer for Anheiser-Busch and tell 'em about all the willing workers Siskayou County has that want their danged dignity back and are willing to work for it.

Better yet, call Coors, because they're at least conservative!!!

Just don't call that danged Schwartzenflutter cause he's as useless as... well you know!!!

101 posted on 12/04/2006 4:47:46 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's new unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: greasepaint
Hey! Take your miserable "politics of envy" somewhere else!!!

That's all we need is another show business medler, jumping into issues in CA without a clue from the get-go!!!

We've already got a Governor doin that for ya with gargantuan land CONservancies screwin everything up, so fergedaboudit!!!

102 posted on 12/04/2006 4:54:11 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's new unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: norton
You well justified cynicism and sarcasm is duly noted and registered!!! This whole region needs our thoughts and prayers. FR has the potential for acting as an on-line "Think Tank" and I've seen some threads acting as a "Prayer Tank," too! (grin)

Now for all you Libertarians and Secularists, notice I put "Think Tank" ahead of "Prayer Tank," just to be politically correct!!! (Harumph!!!)

Actually, I like these regional and state issues far better than national and international issues as there's actually more we can actually do to have an effect locally, rather than globally, don't you think?

P.S. Is it true you used to live across the hall from Ralph the bus driver and his wife Alice?

103 posted on 12/04/2006 5:08:00 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's new unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: Gamecock
Who has the Dam Ping List?

Read downthread... I'm starting up a new one for Klamath. Should I add your name?

104 posted on 12/04/2006 5:13:16 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: SERUM10; Iconoclast2; marsh2; forester; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; editor-surveyor; Paloma_55; ...
I have no doubt that Dr. McCann is a first rate economist who knows his energy matters from years of "work in the field."

What I do doubt is that he has any idea of how this work of his is being and is going to be used and abused and distorted and contorted, tweaked and torqued till the cows come home!!!

I have ecountered so many of the so-called EnvironMental Communutty militant activists and manipulators and litigators and allegators that I am extremely well versed in how they do things to the works of good people to destroy the works of other people they disagree with.

They are absolute masters at winning through intimidation and malicious mischief without ceasing!!!

People just have a hard time believing how remorseless, relentless and ruthless these singleminded knot-heads can delight in being!!!

They are formidable!!! They are literally to be feared!!! They are religious fanatics and subtle terrorists!!! (see my tagline and think about it for awhile)

105 posted on 12/04/2006 5:23:45 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's new unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: marsh2
C'mon marsh2, you gotta think outside the box, then lead your sheep (people) to think like you do.

Your people don't need lower rates... They need more ratepayers!!! (Then they'll git them lower rates!)

It's just like taxes... Your governmental entity doesn't need more taxes, just more taxpayers!!!

Then, like Jack Kennedy said and Ron Reagan quoted, "a rising tide lifts all boats!!!"

But what do I know? I'm just a surfer on the tide of events, right?

OH!!! And don't forget to take a page out of Schwartzenegger's bondage book and get a buncha "Tax Free Municipal Bonds" issued to finance the "leveraged buy-out!" PG&E sold Project 184 to El Dorado Irrigation District for one whole dollar!!! How's that for "leveraged buy-out?" (of course that was "as is" and it was a mess in need of much repair and rebuilding from landslides and aging!)

106 posted on 12/04/2006 5:36:12 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's new unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: B4Ranch; marsh2; Iconoclast2
What are they supposed to do? Find another economist so they can say, "our economist can whup yer economist?" (just kidding, cause you're absolutely right!)

Yes! When someone sues you, if you don't counter sue, then folks will tend to think you deserved to git sued, right? Maybe even the judge and/or jury will think that, too, right?

Don't you think these aggressive Agenda 21 activists think that by taking the initiative with extreme measures that everyone will just groan and roll over a play dead, hoping it'll all just go away, knowing it won't???

107 posted on 12/04/2006 5:42:03 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's new unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: norton
Wait!!! Is that you? Gayle Norton, former Secretary of the Interior??? Wow!!! (grin)

You finally stepped in in 2001 and got the gates to that irrigation canal opened up to the farmers, din'tcha? (after we let Rove know it had to happen)(grinning wider)

108 posted on 12/04/2006 5:47:29 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's new unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

I do know that most men and nations do lie down to die. I think we need to make darn sure we don't lay down and I would suggest standing on both feet to continue this fight if we want to have a chance at winning.


109 posted on 12/04/2006 7:32:13 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: B4Ranch
I believe we should live to fight to the death on our feet like real men and women, rather than live on our knees like slaves and serfs in bondage to fears!!! (both real and imagined)

We have far more than any other peoples on Earth to live and die for!!! Far more!!!

110 posted on 12/04/2006 7:38:25 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's new unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: marsh2

The boundaries of a PUD need not be co-extensive with County boundaries. PUDs in Oregon are entitled to buy power from BPA at cost, unlike PUDs in California (Pacific Northwest Preference Act), and the figures routinely pencil out when that is taken into account. Hence NW IOUs must spend up to $35/vote defeating attempts to form PUDs.


111 posted on 12/05/2006 9:09:48 AM PST by Iconoclast2 (Two wings of the same bird of prey . . .)
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To: SierraWasp

passing along a message from AuntB

\"There will be a meeting at the Hornbrook Grange Hall, Hornbrook, Calif. on Friday, Dec. 8, 5pm. to 7 pm. This may be our last chance.(10 miles south of the Oregon Border, which is where one of the dams is.) I\\\'ve been so involved with other things, that I must admit I\'ve let this slide. Anyone who can be there, please do so.\"


112 posted on 12/06/2006 3:46:36 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Well thank you very much. Please tell AuntB she has been missed!!! Now, more than ever!!!

We've all let this slide, but the anti-human, anti-productive farmer EvironMentalist crowd NEVER lets their stupid cause "slide!"

113 posted on 12/06/2006 8:39:23 AM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's new unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: nicmarlo; B4Ranch; backhoe; Boot Hill; Carry_Okie; Czar; DoughtyOne; ElkGroveDan; fish hawk; ...
Ping to above message from AuntB (thanks nicmarlo):
"There will be a meeting at the Hornbrook Grange Hall, Hornbrook, Calif. on Friday, Dec. 8, 5pm. to 7 pm.
This may be our last chance.
(10 miles south of the Oregon Border, which is where one of the dams is.)

I've been so involved with other things, that I must admit I've let this slide. Anyone who can be there, please do so."

114 posted on 12/06/2006 9:47:37 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

I'm busy playing catch-up on this one, trying to understand why this issue has resurfaced at this particular time.


115 posted on 12/07/2006 2:57:14 PM PST by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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