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1 posted on 12/02/2006 7:51:21 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
Well just damn!...
2 posted on 12/02/2006 7:56:00 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: calcowgirl

Even if it bankrupts hundreds of farmers it must be OK. The LA Times says so.


3 posted on 12/02/2006 8:02:39 PM PST by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: B4Ranch; SierraWasp; tubebender; marsh2; Carry_Okie; fish hawk; forester; freepatriot32; ...

PING.

And so it begins...


5 posted on 12/02/2006 8:03:14 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl; marsh2
Marsh2 is the definitive resource on this Brouhaha. My concern is the amount of sediment sitting behind the dams and where will it go...

FROM THE TIMES-STANDARD

6 posted on 12/02/2006 8:10:33 PM PST by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: calcowgirl

Here is a link to the report (304 pages, PDF file, 2.35MB)

http://elibrary.ferc.gov/idmws/common/opennat.asp?fileID=11197393


8 posted on 12/02/2006 8:11:58 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
It's just one damn fight after another after another.

Problem is, the enviros only have to win once...

9 posted on 12/02/2006 8:12:15 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: calcowgirl

My blood is boiling.


13 posted on 12/02/2006 8:15:56 PM PST by ElkGroveDan ( What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul?)
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To: calcowgirl
Why has no one commented on this glaring issue?

Removing the dams and buying replacement electricity over the next three decades

A state that has rolling blackouts because it CAN'T get enough electricity is going to shut down production of electricity. "We're the government and were here to help you..."

15 posted on 12/02/2006 8:16:54 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: calcowgirl; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Dog Gone; Syncro
"...new environmental rules would limit the project's unfettered operation, reducing electricity generation by 23%, the study found."

There! There it is!!! There's the key to what makes this all entirely BOGUS TO THE MAX!!! (plus they're leaving out the farmers who grow potato chips for Lay's)

But who the hell cares, right??? (I loves 'em!!!)

Don't anybody forget that those farmers paid the Bureau of Reclamation back for the water reclaimed for irrigating their potato fields. Now everbody's claiming the fish come first! Just like Bruce Babbit and John Garamendi in the Clinton malevolent administration!!! (so that justifies stealing the water rights of the farmers, supposedly... Horse hockey!)

22 posted on 12/02/2006 8:29:46 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's new unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: calcowgirl

btt.. home :-(


30 posted on 12/02/2006 9:22:51 PM PST by dcrider182 (we may be a super power.. but if we don't have the ability to use it.. are we still a world power?)
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To: calcowgirl

I looked and looked for the names of the dams being discussed. The names aren't in the article. Believe it or not, I actually want to know.

Some great paper.


31 posted on 12/02/2006 9:29:03 PM PST by poindexter
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To: calcowgirl

"May save money"? They need to consider all the costs. There is no cost even mentioned about how much it would cost to remove the dams and also how much tourism would be lost due to a reduction in recreational activities behind these dams. Agenda driven report. All BS.


32 posted on 12/02/2006 9:35:28 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: calcowgirl
new environmental rules would limit the project's unfettered operation, reducing electricity generation by 23%,

So pass laws that keep you from generating electricity legally from the dams, then say that they're no longer profitable. I hate these people!!

35 posted on 12/02/2006 9:47:52 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Pray for our President and for our heroes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and around the world!)
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To: SierraWasp; marsh2; forester; Jeff Head; fish hawk; calcowgirl

Well look what I found: Andy Kerr's Company, "The Larch Company LLC" is partners with Pacificorp through the BlueSky project...

You all remember Andy Kerr:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b61dbb04601.htm

Wow, it appears he's ready to make money off the Klamath Valley again - but this time he's bringing in his partner, Pacificorp...

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http://www.andykerr.net/Larch/LarchPT.htm

What It Is

The Larch Company is a for-profit, non-membership conservation organization that represents species who cannot talk and the human generations to come. Legally, it is a limited liability company under Oregon law, which gives an entity the protections that corporations get without having to hold that damn annual meeting and do as much paperwork. I wholly own the Larch Company. My official title is "Czar."

What It Does

The Larch Company carries out conservation projects (see Current Projects and Future Projects).

These projects are either:

* paid for by clients;
* done on speculation (someday maybe I'll get paid to do more of what I've been doing); or,
* pro bono ("for the public good").

Of course, in my opinion, all are for the public good. Some goods just pay better than others or in different ways than financial remuneration.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

OF COURSE, ANDY KERR'S THE LARCH COMPANY IS A PARTNER WITH PACIFICORP

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http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:BwFfpqEJDM4J:www.pacificpower.net/File/File55689.pdf+%22pacificorp%22+%22larch+company%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a


FALL 2005
I
VOLUME 5
I
ISSUE 3

As the number of customers
buying renewable energy
through Blue Sky grows,
we’re making purchases for
the program from more
facilities in Oregon and
around the region. We’ve
recently added renewable
energy from small suppliers
throughout the state:
The Larch Company Solar
Project – Located in
Ashland, Ore., Larch
Company’s photovoltaic
system is having the
environmental benefit of
planting 830 trees each year.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Blue Sky is Pacificorp's "green energy program"...

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http://www.wutc.wa.gov/webdocs.nsf/56866f91116f6154882563da00740317/f1caad7fe4309b7f88256a1d00773053!OpenDocument

PacifiCorp offers green power under the Blue Sky Program (Schedule 70, New Wind, Geothermal and Solar Power Rider- Optional)

Pacificorp Offers A New Bulk Green Power Option under Docket No. UE-042068

PacifiCorp offers green power under the Blue Sky Program (Schedule 70, New Wind, Geothermal and Solar Power Rider - Optional)

PacifiCorp’s Blue Sky program allows customers that receive service under the Company's Schedules 16, 18, 24, 36, 40, and 48T to purchase blocks of 100 kWh of new wind power. Customers that subscribe have to pay a charge of $1.95 per block per month to cover the incremental cost of green power plus marketing and administrative costs. Subscription to the program is voluntary and customers may purchase any number of blocks regardless of their energy usage.

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ANDY KERR and his business partner PACIFICORP stand to profit from the deal - and when Andy Kerr stands to profit, you can bet it will be at the Klamath Valley farmer's expense...


37 posted on 12/02/2006 9:57:39 PM PST by dandelion
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To: calcowgirl

And just exactly what will be the production method of the electricity purchased from other sources? How long will that be available before they are closed because they are declared to polluting?


40 posted on 12/02/2006 10:18:04 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell ( Is not death also victory in a war against an abomination so vile you could never live with it?)
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To: calcowgirl

the issue here is, farmers needing their welfare?

I'm kinda tired of millionaires on the dole


46 posted on 12/03/2006 1:52:35 AM PST by greasepaint
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To: calcowgirl

Protecting salmon, kangaroo rats and endangered cockroaches is infinitely more important than farmers. Farmers, after all, engage in destructive things like making popcorn, raising hamburger and growing tofu and alfalfa sprouts for hippies.

Farmers need to change careers and worship gaia and send 25 bucks to the Sierra club.


48 posted on 12/03/2006 6:22:45 AM PST by sergeantdave (Consider that nearly half the people you pass on the street meet Lenin's definition of useful idiot)
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To: calcowgirl

Are the dams in California? I thought that the region was in Oregon.


83 posted on 12/03/2006 8:57:15 PM PST by Eva
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To: calcowgirl

Who has the Dam Ping List?


89 posted on 12/04/2006 1:48:55 AM PST by Gamecock (Pelagianism is the natural heresy of zealous Christians who are not interested in theology. J.I.P.)
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