Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Global Warming Gag Order
Wall Street Journal ^ | December 4, 2006 | Editors

Posted on 12/04/2006 4:21:39 AM PST by yoe

Washington has no shortage of bullies, but even we can't quite believe an October 27 letter that Senators Jay Rockefeller and Olympia Snowe sent to ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson. Its message: Start toeing the Senators' line on climate change, or else.

We reprint the full text of the letter here, so readers can see for themselves. But its essential point is that the two Senators believe global warming is a fact, and therefore all debate about the issue must stop and ExxonMobil should "end its dangerous support of the [global warming] 'deniers.' " Not only that, the company "should repudiate its climate change denial campaign and make public its funding history." And in extra penance for being "one of the world's largest carbon emitters," Exxon should spend that money on "global remediation efforts."

The Senators aren't dumb enough to risk an ethics inquiry by threatening specific consequences if Mr. Tillerson declines this offer he can't refuse. But in case the CEO doesn't understand his company's jeopardy, they add that "ExxonMobil and its partners in denial have manufactured controversy, sown doubt, and impeded progress with strategies all-too reminiscent of those used by the tobacco industry for so many years." (Our emphasis.) The Senators also graciously copied the Exxon board on their missive.

This is amazing stuff. On the one hand, the Senators say that everyone agrees on the facts and consequences of climate change. But at the same time they are so afraid of debate that they want Exxon to stop financing a doughty band of dissenters who can barely get their name in the paper. We respect the folks at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, but we didn't know until reading the Rockefeller-Snowe letter that they ran U.S. climate policy and led the mainstream media around by the nose....

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democrats; exxon; globalwarming; government; greentyranny; rinos; senate; shakedown; threats
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-110 next last
(read letter).....Global Warming - climate change; double speak for clean air, votes and more money......
1 posted on 12/04/2006 4:21:40 AM PST by yoe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: yoe
"Washington has no shortage of bullies, but even we can't quite believe an October 27 letter that Senators Jay Rockefeller and Olympia Snowe sent to ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson. Its message: Start toeing the Senators' line on climate change, or else.

Global warming by decree - amazingly blatant.

2 posted on 12/04/2006 4:24:39 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (Religion of peace my arse - We need a maintenance Crusade - piss on Islam)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yoe

Global Warming is a hoax.

Socialists are always looking for a way to control others, and what better way than controlling the entire Earth?

Because the GOP is leaderless, corrupt and useless, it will take a grassroots effort to interrupt and discredit the One-Worlders.

Freepers - GET BUSY!


3 posted on 12/04/2006 4:26:06 AM PST by Stallone (Is There A Conservative Leader ANYWHERE In America?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yoe

Seems they are jumping the gun,

Transcript from the Oral Arguments Presented before the Supreme Court

05-1120. Massachusetts v. EPA 11/29/06

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/05-1120.pdf


4 posted on 12/04/2006 4:27:05 AM PST by EBH
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yoe

"On the one hand, the Senators say that everyone agrees on the facts and consequences of climate change."

***

A lie right there.


5 posted on 12/04/2006 4:27:44 AM PST by fatnotlazy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Stallone

There is no Man-Made Global Warming.
It's just a rally point for communist and socialists to use to entice people who can't think for themselves.


6 posted on 12/04/2006 4:29:18 AM PST by BuffaloJack
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: yoe
ExxonMobil is not alone in jeopardizing the credibility and stature of the United States.

The democrats don't want the competition.

This is scary.

7 posted on 12/04/2006 4:31:46 AM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yoe
Anthropogenic global warming is a great distraction from political failures. Emotionally, it can be fanned to a far greater fire than illegal aliens or the WOT, so long as the MSM play along and suppresses or exaggerates appropriately, and thereby focus Americans away from real issues that might otherwise spell the doom of these GW politicians. They'll gladly sacrifice their country for a cushy career opportunity.
8 posted on 12/04/2006 4:35:50 AM PST by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BuffaloJack

Like children, Socialists really think they can control and impact Nature.

And remember, Socialists don't really love Nature, they hate and despise MANKIND.

Anything they can do to punish, restrict and marginalize our lives is their real objective.


9 posted on 12/04/2006 4:37:09 AM PST by Stallone (Is There A Conservative Leader ANYWHERE In America?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Eagles6

yes, this letter bodes ill for dialog and debate. Extortion has been mainstreamed by J Jackson to this degree. Rockefeller and Snow individually and collectively know nothing about environmental forces and consequence. Their handlers know how to play with these well intended puppets. The handlers are after big bucks. Big Bucks... Money... After the money... They won't stop till they like Spitzer squeeze lifes last nickel... There is no stopping these idiots.


10 posted on 12/04/2006 4:38:02 AM PST by Broker (Haddi Nuff)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: yoe

Have the Global Warming Chicken Littles come up with an explanation for how we can be causing global warming on Mars?


11 posted on 12/04/2006 4:42:31 AM PST by 6SJ7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BuffaloJack

"There is no Man-Made Global Warming.
It's just a rally point for communist and socialists to use to entice people who can't think for themselves."

Real scientists would discover and announce that man's energy emissions contribute an infinitesimal amount to the atmosphere - maybe .3 percent, but are by no means a significant factor in the normal cycling of warm-cool-warm-cool.

Where are the real scientists? Have all of them been bought off, like judges and politicians?


12 posted on 12/04/2006 4:46:46 AM PST by RoadTest (God gave us a brain to process data - not to be a god.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Stallone

The reasons you cite are exactly why the left gets on so well with TROP.


13 posted on 12/04/2006 4:51:14 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Stallone

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

If ever you find yourself in a debate about global warming, be prepared. Here is a show stopper for most (that is if you are debating anyone with an incling of scientific intelligence, otherwise, don't waste your time).

Ask a Human Caused Global Warming activist if they know what the number 1 greenhouse gas on the planet is. After they tell you Carbon Dioxide, ask them if this is why "greenhouses" stay so warm. Next point out to them that plastic is not a very good insulator and ask them what the climate is in a greenhouse. Have them describe it. If they leave out that it is always very humid, help them.

Folks, the number 1 greenhouse gas in our atmosphere is water vapor. In fact, water vapor makes up 98% of our atmosphere and is, by far and away, the source of the earths insulation. See the link above to find out how much of the earth's "greenhouse gasses" are comprised of Carboon Dioxide when measured along with water vapor.

It is less than 1/2 of 1%. Of that 1/2 of 1%, only part of it is "manmade." Most of that 1/2 of 1% comes from natural causes, like the ocean.

BTW - Carbon Dioxide makes the oceans flourish as plankton thrives on it. The more CO2 in the ocean, the more life....so goes the circle of life.

Good luck!


14 posted on 12/04/2006 4:53:03 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (No to nitwit jesters with a predisposition of self importance and unqualified political opinions!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: BuffaloJack
>>There is no Man-Made Global Warming.

Exactly....the eniromental whackos want us to believe this though. Since when has the Earth ever been a stable environment? That's not possible.
15 posted on 12/04/2006 4:54:29 AM PST by excalibur1701
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Stallone

Funny isn't it. People do not seem to worried that Muslims are plotting to kill them and take over their country, but by golly we may all be dead if we do not stop global warming. Or is it Climate Change lately?


16 posted on 12/04/2006 4:54:39 AM PST by dforest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: BuffaloJack
It's just a rally point for communist and socialists
to use to entice people who can't think for themselves.


17 posted on 12/04/2006 4:55:02 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Tenacious 1

> In fact, water vapor makes up 98% of our atmosphere ...

I don't know what planet you are from, but I like my atmosphere with at least a 3psi partial pressure of O2


18 posted on 12/04/2006 4:59:35 AM PST by Mr170IQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: wgflyer
Couldn't agree more!

It might help to let these two know we're onto them - please call or drop them a line.

Mailing Olympia Snowe
154 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
phone: (202) 224-5344
Web Form e-mail: snowe.senate.gov/contact.htm

Jay Rockefeller
531 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-6472
Web Form e-mail: rockefeller.senate.gov/services/email.cfm
Address: 154 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: (202) 224-5344
Toll Free: (800) 432-1599
Fax: (202) 224-1946

Don't keep them waiting...........

19 posted on 12/04/2006 5:08:44 AM PST by yoe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: yoe
Rockefeller b!tching about Exxon-Mobil? That's ironic.

Rockefeller's great-grandfather started Standard Oil. Standard Oil = Esso (SO) = Exxon = Exxon-Mobil.

The dirty blood money leads to the Senator's own door. What is Senator Rockefeller doing holding onto the blood money from a company he accuses of destroying the planet? What is Senator trust-fund doing with his own Exxon dollars to spread the word? Why does he keep the filthy lucre?

20 posted on 12/04/2006 5:12:10 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tenacious 1

21 posted on 12/04/2006 5:15:35 AM PST by Mr170IQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Tenacious 1

good points


22 posted on 12/04/2006 5:15:40 AM PST by samtheman (The Democrats are the DhimmiGods of the New Religion of PC)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: yoe

Interesting. I guess these "Senators" haven't heard that global temperature measurements have shown a downward trend over the past three years - indicating that the solar cycle we have been in for the past few decades is coming to an end.

But, far be it for the MSM to publicize that fact. "Tell the lie, tell it often enough . . . . . "


23 posted on 12/04/2006 5:16:12 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 6SJ7
Have the Global Warming Chicken Littles come up with an explanation for how we can be causing global warming on Mars?

Yes. And they are conducting an investigation to determine who is sending SUVs to Mars.

We anticpate the results of that investigation any day. My money is on Marvin, the Martian.
24 posted on 12/04/2006 5:19:50 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Sgt_Schultze

Not true:


Successor companies to Standard Oil include:

Standard Oil of Ohio - or Sohio now part of BP
Standard Oil of Indiana - or Stanolind, renamed Amoco (American Oil Co.) - now part of BP
Standard Oil of New York - or Socony and merged with Vacuum - renamed Mobil, now part of ExxonMobil
Standard Oil of New Jersey - or Esso (S.O. or Eastern States Standard Oil) - renamed Exxon, now part of ExxonMobil. Standard Trust companies Carter Oil, Imperial Oil (Canada), and Standard of Louisiana were kept as part of S.O. of New Jersey after the breakup.
Standard Oil of California - or Socal - renamed Chevron
Standard's Atlantic and the independent company Richfield merged to form Atlantic Richfield or Arco, now part of BP. Atlantic operations were spun off and bought by Sunoco.
Standard Oil of Kentucky - or Kyso was acquired by Standard Oil of California - currently Chevron
Continental Oil Company - or Conoco now part of ConocoPhillips
The Ohio Oil Company - more commonly referred to as "The Ohio", and marketed gasoline under the Marathon name. Company is now known as Marathon Oil Company, and was often a rival with in-state Standard spinoff Sohio.
See also Seven Sisters (oil companies)

Other Standard Oils:

Standard Oil of Iowa - pre 1911 - became Standard Oil of California
Standard Oil of Minnesota - pre 1911 - bought by Standard Oil of Indiana
Standard Oil of Illinois - pre 1911 - bought by Standard Oil of Indiana
Standard Oil of Kansas - refining only, eventually bought by Indiana Standard
Standard Oil of Missouri - pre 1911 - dissolved
Standard Oil of Louisiana - always owned by Standard Oil of New Jersey (now Exxon)
Standard Oil of Brazil - always owned by Standard Oil of New Jersey (now Exxon)
Standard Oil of Colorado - a scam to cash in on the Standard Oil brand in the 1930s
Standard Oil of Connecticut - A fuel oil marketer in Connecticut not related to the Rockefeller companies


25 posted on 12/04/2006 5:19:57 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (SAY NO TO RUDY!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Tenacious 1
Folks, the number 1 greenhouse gas in our atmosphere is water vapor.

GREAT point!!! Thanks for making it!!
26 posted on 12/04/2006 5:21:57 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Mr170IQ

The absorption bands of carbon dioxide are already almost 100% saturated, and have been since before the industrial revolution.

The annual CO2 output from underground coal fires is about the same as from motor vehicles. If you are worried about rising levels of atmospheric CO2, it would be far more cost effective to find better ways of putting out underground coal fires than to try to set a carbon tax high enough to decrease consumption.

27 posted on 12/04/2006 5:23:37 AM PST by Mr170IQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Tenacious 1
From 1640-1715 or so, the Royal observatories in England recorded not a single sun spot. That timeframe was referred to as a mini ice age. Afterward, the sun spots resumed their 11-or-so year cycle, and temperatures on Earth returned to normal. The hubris of these people that think we can cause global warming. We can not affect the sun, the size of which could hold a million earths, with individual sun spots (magnetic anomalies) each the size of our entire planet. The core of the sun is so dense that it takes 200,000 years for the photons generated at the core to reach its surface. Once it exits the sun, the photon only takes 8 minutes to hit the earth, 96 million miles away. We are so insignificant in the whole scheme of things. Global warming freaks are one of two things: I suspect the latter.
28 posted on 12/04/2006 5:27:18 AM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (...And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon, who scarce can bear its crescent moon.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Tenacious 1
water vapor makes up 98% of our atmosphere

Uh, no. But you've got the right idea.
Snagged via Google:

Average composition of the atmosphere up to an altitude of 25 km.

Gas Name

Chemical Formula

Percent Volume

Nitrogen

N2

78.08%

Oxygen

O2

20.95%

*Water

H2O

0 to 4%

Argon

Ar

0.93%

*Carbon Dioxide

CO2

0.0360%

Neon

Ne

0.0018%

Helium

He

0.0005%

*Methane

CH4

0.00017%

Hydrogen

H2

0.00005%

*Nitrous Oxide

N2O

0.00003%

*Ozone

O3

0.000004%

While I'll grant that the world may be warming, and a bazillion cars spewing exhaust does have an impact, that impact is only a tiny part of what happens naturally. One volcano will blow more CO2 & other gludge into the atmosphere than several years of exhaust.

You do have a good point: there's about 10x as much H2O than CO2 in the atmosphere, and the former causes significantly more "global warming" per molecule than the latter. Interestingly, the only viable "green" alternative to oil (fuel cells) will replace CO2 spewage with H2O. Do the greens really want that?

29 posted on 12/04/2006 5:30:07 AM PST by ctdonath2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: yoe
Here's my favorite line: "Mainstream media outlets... [give] them relatively equal standing with legitimate scientists."

And what makes a scientist legitimate? Why, their belief in Global Warming! Any scientist who doesn't believe that Global Warming, is real, man-made, and going to cause Global Armageddon, cannot be called "legitimate." Therefore every legitimate scientist believes in Global Warming; and if every legitimate scientist agrees, then it must be real.

Here's a good time to bring back this wonderful version of a children's classic.
30 posted on 12/04/2006 5:30:18 AM PST by Tim Slagle (Tim Slagle's Europa: Now available on iTunes and Amazon.com http://www.timslagle.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mr170IQ

[I don't know what planet you are from, but I like my atmosphere with at least a 3psi partial pressure of O2]

O2 is part of the water vapor. You wouldn't want pure O2 in the atmosphere. But I am sure you knew that. Water vapor is a compilation of molecules.


31 posted on 12/04/2006 5:30:44 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (No to nitwit jesters with a predisposition of self importance and unqualified political opinions!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Fierce Allegiance

Okay, so because the Justice department successfully caused the breakup of Standard Oil, Rockefeller's great-grandfather had a hand in the beginnings of almost every major oil company in the US today. Senator trust-funds's money is that much dirtier. Instead of the "global warming" gases caused by Exxon-Mobil's products, he can take credit for those of Chevron and Marathon and Conoco.


32 posted on 12/04/2006 5:31:19 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Sgt_Schultze

And BP. :)


33 posted on 12/04/2006 5:32:20 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (SAY NO TO RUDY!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: 6SJ7
Actually, the climate scientists have given a detailed explanation for the warming on Mars: Global warming on Mars? [realclimate.org]
34 posted on 12/04/2006 5:32:39 AM PST by megatherium
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: BuffaloJack
It's just a rally point for communist and socialists to use to entice people who can't think for themselves.

It has a good chance of being ultimately successful because these people control pretty much the entire education establishment in America and Europes as well as MSM which, though broadcast television and newspapers as a source of news are dying, will be for some years where most people take their ideas of what is.

35 posted on 12/04/2006 5:35:37 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: ctdonath2

The "water vapor" sited is calculating N2, O2 and H2O. The most prevelent. Some say, the balance of chemicals in our air is insignificant except at ground level.

But your table puts it in perspective better than words.

Thank you.


36 posted on 12/04/2006 5:36:45 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (No to nitwit jesters with a predisposition of self importance and unqualified political opinions!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: ctdonath2
One volcano will blow more CO2

Volcanoes can have a real impact on climate, but it turns out on average that humans put 150 times more CO2 into the atmosphere than volcanoes. http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html

37 posted on 12/04/2006 5:37:26 AM PST by megatherium
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Tenacious 1
> O2 is part of the water vapor. You wouldn't want pure O2 in the atmosphere. But I am sure you knew that. Water vapor is a compilation of molecules.

No. O2 is not part of water vapor. I don't have time to correct all of your science errors, but it doesn't help to have people on the correct side of an argument garbling facts and making us look stupid. Look up "Niven's Law".

Essentially, you mis-claimed "water vapor is 98% of the greenhouse gas present in Earth's lower atmosphere" and instead claimed that "water vapor is 98% of earth's atmosphere". It was an easy mistake to make, and could be excused as a typo. Please stop compounding your mistake by claiming it is correct.
38 posted on 12/04/2006 5:40:34 AM PST by Mr170IQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: yoe

The globe is always warming or cooling; therefore, one has a 50 percent chance of being correct regardless of his position.


39 posted on 12/04/2006 5:41:30 AM PST by JoeGar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yoe

Senators:

Your credibility is already shot for multiple reasons;
1) You don't understand science at all,
2) You don't care that you don't understand it, since the politics use to promote bad science is your own,
3) You don't understand economics and think the American people are equally stupid!
4) The oil companies don't pay any taxes, the taxes are simply passed on to the consumers,
5) The only impact taxes have on oil companies is to disincentivize exploration!


40 posted on 12/04/2006 5:42:57 AM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yoe

ST. LOUIS - Frigid temperatures contributed to four deaths Sunday, pushing the toll from a devastating ice and snow storm to 19 as hundreds of thousands waited another day for their electricity to be restored.
ADVERTISEMENT


Temperatures across much of the region were predicted to hover in the teens and 20s on Monday while wind chills should make it feel even colder, slowing down cleanup efforts, according to the
National Weather Service.

The storm disrupted Amtrak train service between Chicago and St. Louis, but most of those lines were expected to be up and running on Monday, the company said in a release.

As temperatures rose into the 20s, Tawana Jean Cooper and her family sat at a Red Cross warming center in St. Louis, which they reached a day earlier from her suburban home after roads were cleared of ice, downed power lines and broken tree limbs.

Her three young grandchildren joined her at the shelter.

"They know this is not home. They know this is a disaster," Cooper said as she cradled her sleeping 5-month-old granddaughter in her arms.

"The
American Red Cross has been a God's blessing," she said. About six dozen others also spent the night at the shelter.

Missouri National Guardsmen had been sent into the area to knock on doors and make sure people were safe. By early afternoon Sunday, the St. Louis temperature had reached only about 22 degrees, the National Weather Service said.

Two men, ages 37 and 35, died after they tried to burn coal in a cooking wok to stay warm. Fire officials found deadly levels of carbon monoxide in their home. A 56-year-old man may have suffered hypothermia, and an 81-year-old man was found dead at the bottom of his home's stairs.

"This is not over. As long as the power is still out, there are still people at risk," St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay said.

Thursday's storm spread ice and deep snow from Texas to Michigan and then blew through the Northeast late Friday and early Saturday. Thousands of travelers were stranded by canceled flights, highways clogged by abandoned vehicles and stalled trains.

By Sunday afternoon, about 350,000 customers of St. Louis-based Ameren Corp. had no electricity in a roughly 300-mile swath from Jackson, Mo., northeast to Pontiac, Ill., paralleling the track of the storm. Spokeswoman Susan Gallagher said about 200,000 were in Missouri and about 150,000 in central and southern Illinois.

The utility said Sunday it would not estimate when power will be totally restored.

Trees throughout the region were glazed with a thick coat of ice that reflected the sunlight and also snapped tree limbs, bringing power lines down with them.

"It's slow," said Ameren repairman Bernie Kutz, after completing a job in south St. Louis. "The tools are freezing somewhat, and nothing wants to work right."

At the peak of the outages Friday, 510,000 customers were without power, Gallagher said. Hundreds of thousands also lost power in the other states hit by the storm.

In Peoria, Ill., fire officials urged homeowners to check their roofs after a nursing home ceiling collapsed, injuring four residents.

In Belleville, Ill., 20 miles east of St. Louis, most of the 100 cots at Westhaven Elementary School had been in use as a Red Cross shelter since noon Friday.

For much of the region, it was a reminder of the widespread outages caused by severe thunderstorms in July, when 948,000 in Missouri and Illinois were blacked out.

___


41 posted on 12/04/2006 5:43:51 AM PST by thinking
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mr170IQ

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

Mr170IQ,

95%, excuse me. Please see the link attached and tell me how I am mistaken. This website has been my old faithful for explaining the global myth of man made global warming. Are they wrong?

I'll be less vocal in the future with my ignorance.

Water Vapor Rules
the Greenhouse System


Just how much of the "Greenhouse Effect" is caused by human activity?

It is about 0.28%, if water vapor is taken into account-- about 5.53%, if not.

This point is so crucial to the debate over global warming that how water vapor is or isn't factored into an analysis of Earth's greenhouse gases makes the difference between describing a significant human contribution to the greenhouse effect, or a negligible one.

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many "facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activites contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.




For those interested in more details a series of data sets and charts have been assembled below in a 5-step statistical synopsis.

Note that the first two steps ignore water vapor.


42 posted on 12/04/2006 5:47:10 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (No to nitwit jesters with a predisposition of self importance and unqualified political opinions!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Mr170IQ

Here is the link to the entire site. I would love to hear your thoughts on it.

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html


43 posted on 12/04/2006 5:49:14 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (No to nitwit jesters with a predisposition of self importance and unqualified political opinions!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Broker

"they after the money, they...... they.... them...." Who are "they"?


44 posted on 12/04/2006 5:53:02 AM PST by Ditter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: yoe
Still waiting for the esteemed Senators to tell me how Greenland got green, before it was an ice cube that it is today.

My guess, with the push to punish the U.S. population with global warming taxes, nothing will stop these lunatics.
45 posted on 12/04/2006 6:02:48 AM PST by Tarpon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Stallone
Global Warming is a hoax.

Not necessarilly a hoax since it has been obsreved that the Martian ice caps are receding, but certainly NOT caused by Man. There is so much bad science there that one scarcely knows where to start.

Just like the ozone hole (pure BS)
Just like the "population bomb" (completely wrong)
Just like the oceans will be "dead in 10 years" (19 years ago now, thanks Ted "I look good but I'm dumber than a box of rocks" Danson)

Global warming is the crisis du jour, that's all.

46 posted on 12/04/2006 6:04:56 AM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: DaveLoneRanger

ping


47 posted on 12/04/2006 6:06:06 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Tenacious 1
When I said "I don't know what planet you are from" I was making a joke based on your statement that "our atmosphere is 98% water vapor"

Earth's atmosphere is not 98% water vapor. An atmosphere consisting of 98% water vapor would not support mammalian life. You can produce a sample of 98% water vapor atmosphere in a pressure cooker, but you would not want to breathe it.

Earth's atmosphere is 78% N2, 21% O2, 0.9% Argon, plus "trace gasses". N2, O2, and Argon are not considered greenhouse gasses because they do not absorb a significant amount of infrared light.

The molecules in the atmosphere which ARE considered greenhouse gasses are, in order of concentration:
H2O - water vapor
CO2 - carbon dioxide
CH4 - Methane
NOx - Nitrogen oxides

Of these "greenhouse gasses", water vapor does contribute more than 95%, but it is as silly to claim that "the atmosphere is 98% water vapor" as it would be to claim that "blood is mostly iron"
48 posted on 12/04/2006 6:08:37 AM PST by Mr170IQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: excalibur1701
Since when has the Earth ever been a stable environment? That's not possible.

That's right. The three choices are that the Earth is going to warm, cool, or stay the same. It never stays the same, so that leaves us two choices. Which one would you prefer?

Me, I figure you can't grow crops in the snow. Worldwide glaciation would be far more harmful to life on this planet and have a much greater economic impact that warming. So we lose a few cities, maybe. I guess the dems can't stand the thought of having their favorite states go red.

49 posted on 12/04/2006 6:11:14 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: indylindy

Instead they're worried about the right-wing Christian take-over here in the USA (just ask Rosie O'Donuts!) and global warming. Idiots!


50 posted on 12/04/2006 6:13:55 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-110 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson