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Gates Says U.S. Is Not Winning Iraq War
AP via Drudge ^ | Dec 5, 10:45 AM (ET) | ROBERT BURNS

Posted on 12/05/2006 7:51:51 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe

Edited on 12/05/2006 8:08:27 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Fishrrman

We need to examine the root causes.


121 posted on 12/06/2006 7:47:58 AM PST by ichabod1 (After the attacks of 9/11, profiling Muslims is more like profiling the Klan.)
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To: ichabod1
The caveat is that if they make us get out then our victory can easily go right down the crappa.

Exactly.

But the only way they do that is if we convince ourselves, despite all facts and logic, that we've "lost". So, let's not.

122 posted on 12/06/2006 9:50:36 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Lunatic Fringe

I'm not sure what the political stragegy in all of this might be, but the theme for the Lame Duck GWB administration now seems to be "Send In the Clowns". :-/


123 posted on 12/06/2006 9:54:18 AM PST by TChris (We scoff at honor and are shocked to find traitors among us. - C.S. Lewis)
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Dan Bartlett at the White House said "We're winning in Iraq."

Mr. Bartlett, we are not fools. Bush misunderestimated the enemy. He was convinced by Cold War sacred cows that we could fight radical Islam like we fought tinhorn communist dictators in Panama and Grenada.

This is a war against a religion that has sadly been stuck in the 12th century for far too long. The only solution is a political one. Islam must modernize and denounce violence and actually lay down their arms. They must recognize Israel, and Israel must recognize them. We will have to eat some humble pie as well. We'll do this if we wish to live in peace.


124 posted on 12/06/2006 8:25:22 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
The only solution is a political one. Islam must modernize and denounce violence and actually lay down their arms. They must recognize Israel, and Israel must recognize them. We will have to eat some humble pie as well. We'll do this if we wish to live in peace.

Have you been awake for the last 50 or so years? How long has Israel, along with many of the world's other nations, worked on a political solution with an Islamic country? How's that working out so far?

Political solution? There is no political solution to suicide bombs and sawn-off heads!

For crying out loud, man, what is an act of war against the United States, in your universe?

You sound precisely like a European pre-Dhimmi, willing to give up whatever it takes to achieve "peace". If by "peace" you only mean "absence of war", and if the price of that "peace" is more bombings, less liberty and eventual Sharia law, then give me war instead of that peace!

125 posted on 12/07/2006 2:29:07 PM PST by TChris (We scoff at honor and are shocked to find traitors among us. - C.S. Lewis)
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To: TChris

You obviously didn't read my entire post. Try again and come back when you can debate on at least a college level.


126 posted on 12/07/2006 3:22:46 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
You obviously didn't read my entire post. Try again and come back when you can debate on at least a college level.

In truth, I did read your entire post. And, I have debated at the college level, and have done reasonably well at it too.

If you're telling me that post was sarcasm, then I probably just haven't had enough sleep lately. :-/

127 posted on 12/08/2006 7:36:39 AM PST by TChris (We scoff at honor and are shocked to find traitors among us. - C.S. Lewis)
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