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Exactly. That's why the heavenly resurrected being is the one that matters. If you're gonna have that, you don't have to worry about the one that will decompose.

The heavenly resurrected body is your present body, only glorified. They are not two numerically distinct bodies, but one and the same body, simply clothed with immortality.

Nonsense. She is in Christ. Thus she is honored just as any saint because of Him, regardless of the fact that she decomposed.

No. Paul says, "it is sown in dishonor". For example, to be mutilated after death dishonors the person. Likewise, decay is a dishonor as well, as Paul says. And the Father did not allow His holy one (i.e. Christ) to see decay, says the Psalmist. Why not? Because it was an additional dishonor.

Christ preserved His mother from this dishonor. That is why there has never been a tomb of Mary (or a shrine reputed to stand over the tomb of Mary), in all of Christian history. Not only that, but the authority of the Church states as dogma that Mary was assumed (body and soul) into heaven. Thus to deny Mary's bodily assumption is to rebel against that authority by which all the Church's doctrines were established, including the New Testament canon and the Ecumenical Creeds.

-A8

69 posted on 12/06/2006 7:09:56 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8
Likewise, decay is a dishonor as well

Yes, another way of saying the flesh is corrupt.

Christ preserved His mother from this dishonor. That is why there has never been a tomb of Mary

True of some of the early church leaders as well. Thus, this critieria is not proof one being "preserved from dishonor" since they decomposed along with Mary.

Not only that, but the authority of the Church states as dogma that Mary was assumed (body and soul) into heaven

Yes, of couse. That's what the whole debate is about.

88 posted on 12/06/2006 7:43:16 PM PST by what's up
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To: adiaireton8
The heavenly resurrected body is your present body, only glorified. They are not two numerically distinct bodies, but one and the same body, simply clothed with immortality.

That's the belief system of the ancient Egyptian religion of Isis, Osirus, and Horus -- nothing to do with Christianity.

102 posted on 12/06/2006 8:08:01 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: adiaireton8

Exactly where in the ecumenical creeds does it say Mary was assumed bodily into heaven? Or in Scripture? There are millions of Christians who do not accept the authority of the RCC or its teachings, but are Christians none the less.

IMHO the RCC teachings on Mary border on blasphemy. The point is she was an ordinary person like the rest of us. Christ was also true man. His human nature was derived from Mary. In the magnificat she admits she too is a sinner in need of salvation.


301 posted on 12/08/2006 8:59:35 AM PST by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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