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To: Alter Kaker
If Christians have a claim over Hagia Sophia, then the entire territory of the United States should be restored to the Indians, as the conquest of the United States happened hundreds of years later.

Exactly. Conquest is conquest. We own Texas. Israel owns the Golan. The Muslims own the Hagia Sofia. Unless the author is willing to draw up armies to invade Turkey, he should stop whining like some left-wing sociologist.

69 posted on 12/18/2006 7:29:20 AM PST by montag813
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To: montag813; Alter Kaker; wideawake
Right of conquest does not mean the conqueror has a right to other's property. Only to the right to be the political power, tax, etc over the people they conquered.

If stealing property was allowed under rules of conquest we would not have had to hang all those Nazis for theft.

70 posted on 12/18/2006 7:38:15 AM PST by Zemo ('Anyone who is able to speak the truth and does not do so will be condemned by God.' - St. Justin)
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To: montag813; Alter Kaker; wideawake
This illiterate, immature attitudes disturbing.

When the loyalists during our Revolutionary war were forced to leave they USA paid a settlement to them via treaty. Such is the legal ways of such things. This attitude that the Turks stole this or that by force of arms and thus it is theirs is anathema to Western thinking.

If Turkey wants to stay in the Asiatic despot Mongolic mindset then she can, if she wants to join the Western world as a Western but Muslim nation that attitude can not stand.

71 posted on 12/18/2006 7:41:38 AM PST by Zemo ('Anyone who is able to speak the truth and does not do so will be condemned by God.' - St. Justin)
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To: montag813

See post 68.


72 posted on 12/18/2006 8:09:00 AM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: montag813
We own Texas.

Mexican citizens who lived in and owned property in Mexican Texas were not robbed of their property in the Republic of Texas or subsequently in American Texas - as long as they acknowledged the sovereignty of the Republic and then of the USA over the territory and abided by its laws.

I'm not sure who "we" is - if "we" is the federal government of the USA, you must surely realize that at least some of the land in Texas is privately owned.

73 posted on 12/18/2006 8:13:39 AM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: montag813

Then I guess you support the continued Islamic presence in all the territiry they have stolen over the past 1500 years from non-Muslims and are CONTINUING to steal from them by the sword, murder, rape and pillage.

Hagia Sophia ranked right up there with St. Peter's as a symbol of Christianity.

That's why MEhmet wanted it. He took it, enslaved all the people who weren't murdered by his savage Turks, and then converted this beautiful Christian house of prayer into a Mosque. Later, it became a Museum.

Its a Christian House of God and should be returned to the Christians.

Even the Indians got reservations - for the little that was worth.

If you think might makes right and support the right of the conqueror, then perhaps we should take back all the territory stolen from Christians and other non-Muslims and use the same terror tactics Muslims have always used againt "non-Believers" to force THEM to convert from Islam.

Maybe we should turn the Kabba into a base for a giant new pork and liquor store - complete with topless waitresses and dogs as guards..


77 posted on 12/18/2006 10:40:10 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: montag813

Then I guess you support the continued Islamic presence in all the territiry they have stolen over the past 1500 years from non-Muslims and are CONTINUING to steal from them by the sword, murder, rape and pillage.

Hagia Sophia ranked right up there with St. Peter's as a symbol of Christianity.

That's why MEhmet wanted it. He took it, enslaved all the people who weren't murdered by his savage Turks, and then converted this beautiful Christian house of prayer into a Mosque. Later, it became a Museum.

Its a Christian House of God and should be returned to the Christians.

Even the Indians got reservations - for the little that was worth.

If you think might makes right and support the right of the conqueror, then perhaps we should take back all the territory stolen from Christians and other non-Muslims and use the same terror tactics Muslims have always used againt "non-Believers" to force THEM to convert from Islam.

Maybe we should turn the Kabba into a base for a giant new pork and liquor store - complete with topless waitresses and dogs as guards..


78 posted on 12/18/2006 10:40:26 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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