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Jews Wake Up!
JERUSALEM POST ^ | Dec. 8, 2006 | Caroline Glick

Posted on 12/08/2006 10:44:00 AM PST by Sabramerican

The Jerusalem Post Internet Edition

Column One: Jews Wake Up!



When the history of our times is written, this week will be remembered as the week that Washington decided to let the Islamic Republic of Iran go nuclear. Hopefully it will also be remembered as the moment the Jews arose and refused to allow Iran to go nuclear.

With the publication of the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group chaired by former US secretary of state James Baker III and former congressman Lee Hamilton, the debate about the war in Iraq changed. From a war for victory against Islamofascism and for democracy and freedom, the war became reduced to a conflict to be managed by appeasing the US's sworn enemies in the interests of stability, and at the expense of America's allies.

Baker and his associates claim that the US cannot win the war in Iraq and so the US must negotiate with its primary enemies in Iraq and throughout the world - Iran and Syria - in the hopes that they will be persuaded to hold their fire for long enough to facilitate an "honorable" American retreat from the country.

Like his unsupported assertion that the US cannot win in Iraq, Baker also asserts - in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary - that Iran and Syria share America's "interest in avoiding chaos in Iraq." Because of this supposed shared interest, Baker maintains that with the proper incentives, Iran and Syria can be persuaded to cooperate with a US withdrawal from Iraq ahead of the 2008 presidential primaries.

The main incentive Baker advocates offering is Israel.

Baker believes that Iran will agree to temporarily hold its fire in Iraq in exchange for US acceptance of Iran as a nuclear power and an American pledge not to topple the regime. Syria will assist the US in exchange for US pressure on Israel to hand over the Golan Heights to Syria and Judea and Samaria to Hamas.

Obviously, if implemented, the Baker-Hamilton group's recommendations will be disastrous for Israel. Just the fact that they now form the basis for the public debate on the war is a great blow. But it isn't only Israel that is harmed by their actions. The US too, will be imperiled if their views become administration policy.

Although Baker - and incoming Secretary of Defense Robert Gates who served on his commission until Bush announced his appointment last month - believes that there is a deal to be done that will end Iranian and Syrian aggression against the US, its vital interests and its allies, the fact of the matter is that there is no such deal. Contrary to what the Baker report argues and what Gates said in his Senate confirmation hearing Tuesday, Iran is not analogous to the Soviet Union and the war against the global jihad is not a new cold war.

Even if the US were to somehow get them to agree to certain understandings about Iraq, there is no reason to believe that the Iranians and Syrians would keep their word. Not only would the US be approaching them as a supplicant and so emboldening them, but to date the US has never credibly threatened anything either Syria or Iran value. Indeed, through supporting negotiations between the EU and Iran, empowering the UN to deal with Iran's nuclear program, and forcing Israel to accept a cease-fire with Hizbullah last summer that effectively gave victory to the Syrian and Iranian proxy, the US has consistently rewarded the two countries' aggression.

Worse than that, from a US perspective, although Gates admitted Tuesday that he cannot guarantee that Iran will not attack Israel with nuclear weapons, he ignored the fact that Iran - whose President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad daily calls for the destruction of the US - may also attack the US with nuclear weapons.

Gates admitted in his Senate hearing that Iran is producing many bombs - not just one.

Since it is possible to destroy Israel with just one bomb, the Americans should be asking themselves what Iran needs all those other bombs for. There are senior military sources in the US who have been warning the administration to take into consideration that the day that Iran attacks Israel with a nuclear bomb, 10 cities in the US and Europe are liable to also be attacked with nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, no one is listening to these voices today.

IT IS particularly upsetting that Washington has chosen now of all times to turn its back on the war. Ahmadinejad hinted Monday that Iran has completed the nuclear fuel cycle and so has passed the point of no return on its nuclear program. He also made a statement indicating that Iran will have its nuclear arsenal up and running by March - just four months away.

Serious disagreement exists in Washington over the status of the Iranian program. Some claim that Iran is four or five years away from nuclear weapons capabilities. Others maintain that Iran has recently experienced serious technical setbacks in their uranium enrichment activities and that the North Korean nuclear bomb test in October, in which Iranian officials participated, was a failure.

But there are also engaged officials who agree with Ahmadinejad's assessment of Iran's nuclear progress. Those officials maintain first that the North Korean-Iranian test in October was successful and should be taken as a sign that Iran already has a nuclear arsenal. Second, they warn that the US and Israel have six months to act against Iran's nuclear installations and to overthrow the regime or face the prospect of the annihilation of Israel and the destruction of several US cities as a result of an Iranian nuclear offensive.

Obviously, Israel cannot risk the possibility that the last group of officials is correct. And since Washington has decided to go to sleep, it is up to Israel alone to act.

WHAT MUST Israel do? First, it must plan an attack against Iran's nuclear facilities and regime command and control centers. To pave the way for such an attack, the IDF must move now to neutralize second order threats like the Palestinian rocket squads and the Syrian ballistic missile arsenals in order to limit the public's exposure to attack during the course of or in the aftermath of an Israeli attack on Iran.
Second, Israel must work to topple the Iranian regime. As the Defense Minister's advisor Uri Lubrani told Ha'aretz last week, the regime in Iran is far from stable today and ripe for overthrow.

The overwhelming majority of Iranians despise the regime. There are rebellious groups in every ethnic group and province in the country - Azeris, Kurds, Ahwazi Arabs, Baluchis, Turkmen and even Persians - that are actively working to destabilize the regime. Every day there are strikes of workers, women and students. Every few weeks there are reports of violent clashes between anti-regime groups and regime forces.

Recently, oil pipelines were sabotaged in the oil-rich Khuzestan province in the south where the Ahwazi Arabs are systematically persecuted by the regime. Westerners who recently visited Iran claim that Israel operating alone could overthrow the regime by extending its assistance to these people.

Thirdly, in his testimony in the Senate on Tuesday, Gates casually mentioned that Israel has nuclear weapons. In so doing, he unceremoniously removed four decades of ambiguity over Israel's nuclear status. While his statement caused dismay in Jerusalem, perhaps Israel should see this as an opportunity.

With the threat of nuclear destruction hanging over us, it makes sense to conduct a debate about an Israeli second strike. While such a discussion will not dissuade Iran's fanatical leaders from attacking Israel with nuclear weapons, it could influence the Iranian nation to rise up against their leaders.

Moreover, such a debate could influence other regimes in the region like Saudi Arabia which today behave as if Israel's annihilation will have no adverse impact on them. Americans like Baker, Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and their European friends need to understand that as goes Israel so go the Persian Gulf's oil fields. Such an understanding may influence their willingness to enable Iran to acquire nuclear weapons.

Tragically, in these perilous times, we are being led by the worst, most incompetent government we have ever had.

Prime Minister Olmert's way of dealing with the Iranian threat is to pretend that it is none of his business. During his visit to the US last month, Olmert abdicated responsibility for safeguarding Israel from nuclear destruction to President Bush. It didn't bother him that Bush didn't accept the responsibility. By mindlessly adhering to non-existent cease-fires with Iranian proxies in Gaza and Lebanon and squawking about peace with them, Olmert continues to behave as if this is someone else's problem.

For her part, reacting to the possibility of national extinction, Education Minister YuliTamir this week cocked her pedagogical pistol and shot at her rear. By ordering the public schools to demarcate the 1949 armistice lines on the official maps and so wipe Israel off maps of Judea, Samaria and the Golan Heights, Tamir worked to divide the nation over second order issues at a time when unity of purpose is most essential. Olmert, who refused to overturn her scandalous decree, was doubtlessly pleased with her political stunt. For two days the media devoted itself entirely to stirring up internal divisions and so ignored the threat hanging over our heads and Olmert's refusal to deal with it.

Next Thursday, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, Vice Chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations Malcolm Hoenlein and former ambassador to the UN Dore Gold will hold a press conference in New York where they will call for the US to indict Ahmadinejad under the International Convention Against Genocide for his call to annihilate Israel. This is doubtlessly a welcome initiative. But it is insufficient.

In a few months, Iran may well be in possession of nuclear weapons which it will use to destroy the Jewish state. With the US withdrawing from the war and Israel in the hands of incompetents, the time has come for the Jewish people to rise up.

GUARANTEEING our survival begins with each of us deciding that we are willing to fight to survive. And today the challenge facing us is clear.

Either the Iranian regime is toppled and its nuclear installations are destroyed or Israel will be annihilated. The Jews in the Diaspora must launch mass demonstrations and demand that their governments take real action to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

The citizens of the State of Israel must also take to the streets. The government that led us to defeat in Lebanon this summer is leading us to a disaster of another order entirely. All citizens must demand that Olmert, his ministers and the generals in the IDF General Staff make an immediate decision. They now hold the responsibility for acting against Iran. They must either act or resign and make way for others who will.

America just abdicated its responsibility to defend itself against Iran and so left Israel high and dry. Nevertheless, the Jewish people is far from powerless. And the State of Israel also is capable of defending itself. But we must act and act immediately.


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1938; 90voteddemagain; appeasementdeluxe; bakerboys; bush; carolineglick; iran; iraqstudygroup; iraqsurrendergroup; islam; islamofascism; israel; jerusalempost; jews; munich; olmert; secondholocaust; surrendertojihad
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If Jews/Israels wake up, the first order of business is putting Olmert down.
1 posted on 12/08/2006 10:44:07 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
I still don't know/understand why we are not arming and aiding Iranian opposition groups inside Iran...
2 posted on 12/08/2006 10:48:29 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Sabramerican

Too bad the American Jews vote overwhelmingly democrat...what goes around comes around.


3 posted on 12/08/2006 10:50:42 AM PST by demsux
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To: Sabramerican

President George W. Bush has three options here.

He may accept the entire report, and apply every one of its recommendations.

He may adopt some of the recommendations, and either ignore or reject the remainder.

Or he can do the right thing, and reject the entire report for the rubbish it is, laying down the foundations for his legacy for all time.

No surrender, no regrets.


4 posted on 12/08/2006 10:52:04 AM PST by alloysteel (Facts do not cease to exist, just because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley)
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To: Sabramerican
Either the Iranian regime is toppled and its nuclear installations are destroyed or Israel will be annihilated.

If the recomendations of the surrender commitee are adopted.......

it will be annihilation.

It looks like Israel must act on its own in order to save us all.

5 posted on 12/08/2006 10:53:48 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (liberalism, abortions and islam are terminal)
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To: demsux

Since the democrats are now the power brokers in congress I suspect that the Israelis will find that they are all alone.


6 posted on 12/08/2006 10:54:57 AM PST by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: Sabramerican
Ageed. America will not act and Israel must act decisively. It must find leaders willing to do whatever is necessary to stop Iran from launching a Second Holocaust.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

7 posted on 12/08/2006 10:58:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Sabramerican

So Caroline, are you, or are you not, in favor of Israel immediately bombing out Iran's nuke capacity. You are being a bit coy about that. Stop that.


8 posted on 12/08/2006 10:59:56 AM PST by Torie
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To: Sabramerican
From a war for victory against Islamofascism and for democracy and freedom, the war became reduced to a conflict to be managed by appeasing the US's sworn enemies in the interests of stability, and at the expense of America's allies.

Somebody needs to tell George W. that the war is no longer about victory. He doesn't seem to get it yet. :-)

9 posted on 12/08/2006 11:03:30 AM PST by The Blitherer (Fight On!)
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To: Sabramerican

Great article.
Olmert must go and Peretz with him. You must elect Bibi at the next opportunity.
The US should have joined hands with Israel and we both should have gone into Iraq and killed all of the extremists. Not jail them, kill them.
Israel also needs to announce it will never allow a Palestinian State on the West Bank and that they have a year to leave and then those left will be expelled.
The US should sign a pact with Israel that says if Israel is attacked by anyone the US will respond with all means at its disposal.
If it is true that the vast majority of the Iranian people despise the regime, then instead of risking lives to attack their numerous nuclear sites and the decoys, we should wait until Ahmedinejad and all the mullahs are in parliament and vaporise it.
Let the US and Israel join hands and fight these scum to the death. If Syria and Saudi and Jordan and Egypt want to join in, so be it. Lets get it over with now, because it will happen one day. In fact the longer we leave it, the more likely the enemy will get nuclear weapons.


10 posted on 12/08/2006 11:04:37 AM PST by Who Dares Wins
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To: Torie
I think she is clear on the urgency of the matter. Avigdor Lieberman has already stated he has no faith in diplomacy. Neither do I. My view is Israel will have to act soon - this a ein breira situation for the Jewish State. The Palestinians are a containable nuisance. Iran is a real strategic threat to Israel's very existence.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

11 posted on 12/08/2006 11:04:59 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: demsux

I always vote GOP! American Jews are in a class by themselves - however, there is growing number who are voting Republican and it is more than the MSM will ever, ever let on.


12 posted on 12/08/2006 11:06:22 AM PST by juliej ( - vote GOP!)
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To: Sabramerican
So we sell our souls to the devil to get out of Irag. I thought Israel was our ally not get out jail free card. When not if Iran nukes Israel we will have no one to blame but the our own stupidity for bargaining with the devil.
13 posted on 12/08/2006 11:07:44 AM PST by Bailee
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To: demsux
"Too bad the American Jews vote overwhelmingly democrat...what goes around comes around."

~ Which is not inconsistent with the leadership which the Israelis have chosen to lead them. Take the last confrontation as a fine example of not standing up for it's own children who were kidnapped and tortured. The Israelis caved to the pressure to leave the young men in the hands of fiends, rather than risk rescuing them.

14 posted on 12/08/2006 11:09:41 AM PST by antonia (Build the Wall Now!)
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To: The Blitherer

the war is ALL about victory, (failing that, fellow dhimmini),.... it just that the war is broader than most let on


15 posted on 12/08/2006 11:19:23 AM PST by himno hero
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To: Sabramerican
this week will be remembered as the week that Washington decided to let the Islamic Republic of Iran go nuclear

Glick may be right that that fevered swamp we call "Washington" has decided to let Iran go nuclear. But President Bush is not "Washington."

Despite all the gleeful yipping of the media that George Bush is "impotent" --makes me think of the scene in the Chronicles of Narnia where the demons shear off Aslan's mane before driving a dagger through him (though I'm not saying Bush is the equivalent of Aslan/Christ)-- there is still power in the Presidency that "Washington" does not have.

16 posted on 12/08/2006 11:23:02 AM PST by shhrubbery! (Max Boot: Joe Wilson has sold more whoppers than Burger King)
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To: Salem; SJackson; Alouette; dennisw; Slings and Arrows; Yehuda; Nachum; jabotinsky; ...

Spot on article - ping!


17 posted on 12/08/2006 11:23:34 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Memo to Olmerde: "GET THE HELL OUT OF BIBI's HOUSE!")
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To: demsux

and that would make you happy????????


18 posted on 12/08/2006 11:24:15 AM PST by juliej ( - vote GOP!)
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To: Torie

So, did you or did you not read the article? Start that.


19 posted on 12/08/2006 11:31:58 AM PST by alecqss
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To: Sabramerican

It seems to me if action is not taken soon we'll all be asking how we let this happen and why we didn't see this coming. Yet it's all self-evident. This is like a failure of nerve and to me resembles the Rape of Nanking (See the book by Iris Chang) in that the Chinese soldiers allowed themselves to be slaughtered and to give up to small numbers of Japanese who would march them out and chop their heads off. Instead today, we have repeated assaults on civilization by Iran and Syria and the US and Israel don't take effective action to stop these attacks, even as Iran boasts that it intends to wipe Israel out. It's suicidal to the degree of insanity. And the American war on George Bush has made the US nearly impotent.


20 posted on 12/08/2006 11:40:33 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Iraq: the next country Liberals want to abandon just before Israel.)
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To: Convert from ECUSA
Like his unsupported assertion that the US cannot win in Iraq, Baker also asserts - in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary - that Iran and Syria share America's "interest in avoiding chaos in Iraq."
I don't think that's all tha far off -- the US hasn't really got an interest in stability in Iraq, and should A) partition the country into Kurdish and Arab states (and leave it up to the Arabs to decide whether to further divide that Arab state into two states by Moslem type), and B) level Syria and Lebanon, leaving the Saudis to worry about the Shiite-heads in Iran. That would strengthen Israel (our only ally there) and weaken the Iranian dictatorship / mullahcracy (the pretense of Islamic rule may be about to change as the phony Islamofascists emerge victorious over the real ones), undercut the likelihood that Egypt will abrogate its treaty with Israel, further diplomatically isolate Turkey (which would then have to build ties either with Iran or the Arab states of Iraq), and perhaps most importantly, free up the US armed forces to rub out further "insurgencies" around the world. The infection would be quarantined, and the Moslems could get back to what they do best -- oppressing themselves and each other. Then we can just sell ammo to all combatants as we and Israel watch the carnage.
21 posted on 12/08/2006 11:40:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Who Dares Wins
Olmert must go and Peretz with him. You must elect Bibi at the next opportunity.

Or elect Caroline Glick.

22 posted on 12/08/2006 11:52:30 AM PST by omega4412 (Multiculturalism kills. 9/11, Beslan, Madrid, London)
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To: alecqss; Torie

I think the sarc tag didn't get attached! Glick has it right when so many have SSSSOOOOO WRONG. Israel may yet save the world but not with Olmerde running the show.


23 posted on 12/08/2006 11:54:29 AM PST by unionblue83 (Duty is ours; consequences are God's. -- Stonewall Jackson.)
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To: Sabramerican
Somebody needs to revolt.. Jews?, US citizens?, the British?, SOMEBODY..
All the polititians are autistic.. pretty much everywhere...
24 posted on 12/08/2006 12:02:49 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: Sabramerican

It'd be interesting to see an Israeli attack force fly across Iraq to attack Iran only to be interdicted by US & British warplanes. What then?


25 posted on 12/08/2006 12:09:46 PM PST by PeterFinn (B’fhearr Gaeilge briste na Béarla cliste.)
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To: Sabramerican
Thirdly, in his testimony in the Senate on Tuesday, Gates casually mentioned that Israel has nuclear weapons. In so doing, he unceremoniously removed four decades of ambiguity over Israel's nuclear status. While his statement caused dismay in Jerusalem, perhaps Israel should see this as an opportunity.

So, what do Freepers think? Was this a sly move on Gates' part to add more reason for Iran to walk circumspectly? Or was Gates being thoughtless and letting the cat out of the bag? Everyone assumed Israel had nuclear weapons, but was it right for Gates to confirm it? In the world of diplomacy, being fairly certain of something is a little different than having it confirmed by someone in the know.

26 posted on 12/08/2006 12:18:06 PM PST by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor, and still unable to stay in business)
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To: B.O. Plenty

It's 1981 all over again and then some..


27 posted on 12/08/2006 12:23:42 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: demsux

Judaism is a religion; Israel is a country. Whatever happens in Israel doesn't affect most of the jewish population.


28 posted on 12/08/2006 12:36:27 PM PST by damsel
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To: demsux

At least a quarter of American Jews like me understand what is going on and have good moral character. On issues like abortion, gay marriage and illegal immigration, which I strongly oppose and most of the Jewish Democrats do not, I'm afraid they're hopelessly brainwashed. Most of the Jewish population in America is concentrated in the New York, Philadelphia, Washington D.C., Boston, Miami San Francisco and Los Angeles metropolitan areas, all of which are overwhelmingly liberal. Its not just the Jews there, its the majority of all people in those areas that are misguided. When it comes to fighting terror and radical Islam however, I would say around 40-45%, maybe a little more of Jews in America understand how dangerous Iran is and believe an attack against them is justified. I have rarely met a Jew who did not support Israel. On a few college campuses, like Rutgers, there's a few Jews who support Palestine over Israel, maybe to gain acceptance from the majority. As for me, I have never been afraid of doing and saying things that are unpopular and not politically correct, even if it means that other Jews or anyone will ostracize me for it. The majority of American Jews have dissapointed me but I have faith in the Israeli Jews that they will inflict a smashing defeat on Iran, Syria and Hezbollah, as they've been doing to the Arabs that have been attacking them since 1948.


29 posted on 12/08/2006 12:38:13 PM PST by JewishConservative
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To: Sabramerican

If the Baker doctrine holds sway, then the ME is looking at a total disaster, with Israel stuck in the middle.

Which will make what's been happening in Iraq look like a childrens picnic and then what are the MSM/Dems going to say...before long they'll be begging for Rummy to come back.


30 posted on 12/08/2006 12:38:58 PM PST by crazycat
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To: Sabramerican
Jews Wake Up!

... the resta use, don't interrupt your naps!

31 posted on 12/08/2006 12:39:24 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Who invented rock and roll hiccups?)
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To: demsux

My girlfriend is Israeli, she knows nothing about politics, although one of her best friends has worked closely with Bibi for many years.

Some of her other Israeli friends hate Bush, etc.,etc.,etc., one of them owns a Kosher store/restaurant. Many there are openly hostile to anything Republican, etc., try to engage them in conversation, forget it, they know nothing with the possible exception that it's very "cosmopolitan" to vote democrat, hate republicans, etc. These are not stupid people, they've experienced palestinian/muslim hatred, etc. and still mindlessly side with their supporters. I've lost tons of respect for them, don't care to be around them because they, above even the most dim American should know better.


32 posted on 12/08/2006 12:46:53 PM PST by word_warrior_bob
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To: Sabramerican

Olmert must go! I may be in Israel this summer and neither Ahmadinejad,nor any of his allies will frighten me away. Last night on Glen Beck's show, he ran a cartoon called "The two minute history of the Middle East." I think it presented an excellent history of Israel's wars with its hostile Arab neighbors, in a humorous way that anyone could understand. The stakes will be extremely high for Israel and for America in this upcoming war with Iran, unless by some miracle, Ahmadinijad gets assasinated first. Nothing less than a total victory will be acceptable. Its a clash of good versus evil. I pray for my relatives in Israel every day. I'm waving the stars and stripes, the Israeli flag and the Don't Tread On Me flag and blowing the shofar. No retreat! No surrender!


33 posted on 12/08/2006 12:55:53 PM PST by JewishConservative
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FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel/Russian Jewry ping list.

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34 posted on 12/08/2006 12:57:09 PM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 83-87)
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To: 2banana
I was just asking myself that question last night while watching O'Reilly. He had an Iranian woman on there who flat out said the Mullahs would go nuclear on us and Israel.So what are we doing to arm the dissidents?
35 posted on 12/08/2006 1:30:09 PM PST by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: 2banana

bump.


36 posted on 12/08/2006 1:32:23 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: JewishConservative

I am happy to say that Caroline Glick is also pro life and has contribued to Human Life Review.


37 posted on 12/08/2006 1:51:16 PM PST by juliej ( - vote GOP!)
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To: demsux
"Too bad the American Jews vote overwhelmingly democrat...what goes around comes around."

We're seeing that. What anti-Israel sentiment goes around Democrats, also goes around Republicans. Then they blame the Jews for not taking care of Iran. I wonder how many of our leaders in both parties support their Episcopalian, Methodist and other church declarations against investments in Israeli business.


President Bush Calls for New Palestinian Leadership
The Rose Garden
June 24, 2002
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020624-3.html
"The United States, the international donor community and the World Bank stand ready to work with Palestinians on a major project of economic reform and development. The United States, the EU, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund are willing to oversee reforms in Palestinian finances, encouraging transparency and independent auditing."

Quartet Joint Statement
Summary
July 16, 2002: Text of a joint statement issued by the "Quartet" (United Nations, Russian Federation, the United States and the European Union) following their meeting in New York
[Document behind the link.]
http://europa-eu-un.org/articles/sk/article_1489_sk.htm
"The new international Task Force on Reform, which is comprised of representatives of the U.S., EU, UN Secretary General, Russia, Japan, Norway, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, and which works under the auspices of the Quartet, will strive to develop and implement a comprehensive action plan for reform."

...little more background material:

Rice: Israel Must Withdraw from More than Gaza and Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1333354/posts
February 1, 2005

Bush and Sharon disagree over Israel's future
Wednesday June 27, 2001
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,513410,00.html

Sharon presses Putin to drop UN resolution on road map
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1013908/posts
4 November 2003

In 1967, the leaders of our various nations showed their religious identity with UN Security Council Resolution 242. They again ignored the Mandate (binding world agreement on the Jewish Homeland) and demanded that Israel give land to the Arab nations. We can go back further than that, though. The "Road Map" is really not a new thing, but our leaders will go on saying that it was Israel's idea all along. The canard of blaming Israel in advance for its own destruction by other nations/religions goes back through a couple of thousand years of history.

2004 Republican Party Platform (see "Road Map")
38 posted on 12/08/2006 1:53:10 PM PST by familyop ("G-d is on our side because he hates the Yanks." --Saint Tuco, in the "Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")
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To: damsel

Actually I think about half of the Jewish population of the world now lives in Israel - chew on that one!


39 posted on 12/08/2006 1:55:47 PM PST by juliej ( - vote GOP!)
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To: JewishConservative

Right on - a fellow Jewish conservative - and the media will deliberately underestimate our numbers. I don't consider somebody like Tony Kushner Jewish simply because he was born a Jew. He may identify himself as Jewish but I don't consider him a member of my religion. His religion is anti-Americanism and anti-Zionism. He is a shande, as they say in Yiddish.


40 posted on 12/08/2006 2:00:51 PM PST by juliej ( - vote GOP!)
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To: damsel

It does if you pray to Jerusalem, which is what you are supposed to do - and you sound like a troll!


41 posted on 12/08/2006 2:01:58 PM PST by juliej ( - vote GOP!)
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To: Sabramerican

"Gates admitted in his Senate hearing that Iran is producing many bombs - not just one.

Since it is possible to destroy Israel with just one bomb, the Americans should be asking themselves what Iran needs all those other bombs for. There are senior military sources in the US who have been warning the administration to take into consideration that the day that Iran attacks Israel with a nuclear bomb, 10 cities in the US and Europe are liable to also be attacked with nuclear weapons."

Break out the Maalox and read this: http://www.therant.us/staff/kraft/10242006.htm


"Thirdly, in his testimony in the Senate on Tuesday, Gates casually mentioned that Israel has nuclear weapons. In so doing, he unceremoniously removed four decades of ambiguity over Israel's nuclear status."

Way to go, @sshole! Israel is our only real ally in that part of the world, and the officially deniable existence of Israeli nukes gave various Arab regimes the figleaf necessary to avoid starting up a nuclear weapons program. Now the figleaf is gone. Gates, you schmuck, one simple statement has just created as much instability as Dean Acheson's statement that South Korea wasn't within our defensive perimeter (thereby inviting the Norks to attack the South, which they did...at a cost of a couple million lives over the next 3 years). Idiot!

Glick is correct - Israel is now all alone, at least if Bush follows enough of the Iraq Surrender Group's recommendations. The Israeli public MUST realize, and SOON, that their very existence is at stake...and get rid of their Neville Chamberlain and replace him with an Israeli Churchill. Maybe it is Bibi Netanyahu, maybe not, but anyone outside of the present government's leaders would be a vast improvement.

Oh, and lest I forget: James Baker is the Devil. If I passed by him and he was on fire, I wouldn't pi$$ on him to douse the flames.


42 posted on 12/08/2006 2:23:07 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: juliej
re: Right on - a fellow Jewish conservative - and the media will deliberately underestimate our numbers.)))

Used to be my hope. But if Jews were voting GOP (and pro-Israel) we'd be hearing about it. The thing that truly crosses my eyes (or, used to, I'm well advanced to shrugging) are the Alan Dershowitz types--who talk pro-Israel until it comes time to vote and donate. Then they vote and donate, fundraise and promote-- DNC and anti-Israel.

Did you hear much when the DNC ousted Lieberman?

I happen by circumstance to be reasonably familiar with the Jewish community, geographically speaking, in Charleston, SC. During 2000-04 election cycles I did many "newsmeat" and "fundrace' and :"opensecrets" type searches of zip codes and prominent names because I was hopeful that we'd see some turnaround to the GOP.

Democrat, all Democrat. Hillary, Kerry, John Edwards, DNC, Dem Senate and Congress committees donations, and handsome ones, at that... This was even when Fritz Hollings was spouting off antisemitic stuff. Inez Tennebaum (a methodist married to a Jew) provided Hollings with cover. He's not really an antisemite. What he said doesn't bother Jews at all.

Even the publicly pro-Israel vote anti-Israel, unless you'd have me believe that Jews who donate to the Dems then turn around and secretly vote Republican?

Resentment of conservative Christianity runs deep--witness the hysteria that abounded with Mel Gibson. But I'm seeing the evangelicals start to do a little shrugging of their own. The constant disrespect shown them by the country-club set is starting to bear fruit. It won't take many evangelicals departing to throw the GOP into permanent minority.

Look at how the Dems coddle Rick Warren. Think the Repubs ever showed that kind of support for Dobson?

43 posted on 12/08/2006 2:26:39 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: juliej

Thank you juliej

Likewise my family also votes staunchly GOP and I hate to think we are a rarity


44 posted on 12/08/2006 2:39:15 PM PST by Dov in Houston (Hmmmm....)
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To: JewishConservative

Regards to you- you may find these of interest:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1371891/posts?page=2#2

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/565064/posts?page=7#7


45 posted on 12/08/2006 3:15:11 PM PST by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: Sabramerican
"Baker believes that Iran will agree to temporarily hold its fire in Iraq in exchange for US acceptance of Iran as a nuclear power and an American pledge not to topple the regime. Syria will assist the US in exchange for US pressure on Israel to hand over the Golan Heights to Syria and Judea and Samaria to Hamas."

Clearly any person who really thinks that you can make deals with someone who hates you completely is completely delusional. Just the fact that they think there is any chance of diplomacy with these people, goes to show that their ideas are wrong. Tragic to see such smart people be so foolish.
46 posted on 12/08/2006 3:21:13 PM PST by ritewingwarrior (Where does free speech end, and sedition begin?)
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To: juliej

I am so glad to hear that.I hope that the trend continues and that jews will see exactly what the party of rats has in store for Israel. GO ISRAEL!


47 posted on 12/08/2006 3:45:23 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: crazycat

"Zechariah 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it."


48 posted on 12/08/2006 4:08:24 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Sabramerican; JewishConservative; SJackson; yonif; Simcha7; American in Israel; ...
Jews Wake Up!

"Finally, at their last stop—Birkenau, reception center for Auschwitz—she screams again one last time, "Jews, look! Look through the window! Flames! Look!" And they saw the flames belching from the chimneys' of the death camp. They were then forced out of the cars about midnight, the flames in front of them; the smell of burning flesh permeating the air." [The Warnings Of 'Night']

Writer Caroline Glick

Glick 'Bump'












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49 posted on 12/08/2006 6:09:43 PM PST by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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Too bad the American Jews vote overwhelmingly democrat...what goes around comes around.

That kind of impertinence is a luxury we cannot currently afford. It carries the bigotted stench of James Baker's notorious "F* em they didn't vote for us.

Like it or not, the fates of the US and Israel in the Middle East are yoked together.

50 posted on 12/08/2006 6:18:50 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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