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Democrats frustrated by Bush's reaction to Iraq report (Bush refuses to surrender!)
The Mercury News ^ | December 8, 2006 | William Douglas and Margaret Talev

Posted on 12/08/2006 4:02:15 PM PST by IntelliQuark

Top Democrats in Congress left a White House meeting with President Bush on Friday frustrated over what they perceived as his reluctance to embrace major recommendations from the bipartisan Iraq Study Group.

"I just didn't feel there today, the president in his words or his demeanor, that he is going to do anything right away to change things drastically," Senate Majority Leader-elect Harry Reid, D-Nev., said following the Oval Office meeting. "He is tepid in what he talks about doing. Someone has to get the message to this man that there have to be significant changes."

Bush has been cool to some of the report's main recommendations. He's said he won't deal with Iran until it verifiably suspends its nuclear enrichment program and won't sit down with Syria until it stays out of Lebanon's political affairs and prevents the flow of weapons and cash to insurgents in Iraq.

And Bush has stressed many times that U.S. troops will stay in Iraq until they successfully complete their mission.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1938; alqaeda; americandefeat; bakerboys; bipartisansellout; congress; cutandrun; democrats; dingyharry; iraq; iraqstudygroup; iraqsurrendergroup; iraqwar; islam; islamofascism; munich; presidentbush; steamingpile; surrendertojihad; visforvendetta; wot
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Reid "Someone has to get the message to this man (referring to President Bush) that there have to be significant changes."

The arrogance of the Democrats is only exceeded by their hatred for America and freedom.

1 posted on 12/08/2006 4:02:19 PM PST by IntelliQuark
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To: IntelliQuark
OK I play the fool.

Dear Senator Reid which of the recommendations should we institute?

2 posted on 12/08/2006 4:05:59 PM PST by rocksblues (Do unto others as they do unto you!)
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To: pinz-n-needlez; onyx; ohioWfan; Texasforever; BigSkyFreeper; Tamzee; mrs tiggywinkle; Dog; ...

Thanks for the good news Harry .. I feel much better knowing he upsets you


3 posted on 12/08/2006 4:06:18 PM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: IntelliQuark

President Bush was elected by the people of the United States to serve as the Commander in Chief, not Reid, and certainly no "study group."


4 posted on 12/08/2006 4:06:31 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: IntelliQuark
Bush has stressed many times that U.S. troops will stay in Iraq until they successfully complete their mission.

I wish that was true.

But unfortunately, the phrase "Stay The Course" is not interpreted, "We will bring our soldiers home as soon as we finish the job."

5 posted on 12/08/2006 4:06:42 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: IntelliQuark

Someone has got to get a message to Reid that he doesn't sit behind the desk in the oval office.


6 posted on 12/08/2006 4:08:24 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without winning is a temporary illusion.)
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To: IntelliQuark

This ignorant punk Reid is pissed off because the president won't roll over and play dead.


7 posted on 12/08/2006 4:09:31 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: rocksblues
Someone has to get the message to this man that there have to be significant changes.

If Dingy Harry was talking about parking a smart bomb on presidential palaces in Damascus and/or Tehran, I'd be right there with him.

But I suspect Dingy Harry is talking about a politically acceptable way to cut and run so we can fight the War on Islamofacism closer to home. Do we need another 9-11 to remember who the real enemy is?

8 posted on 12/08/2006 4:09:54 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: IntelliQuark

It's your ball now libs. Cut the troop funding if you don't like things.


9 posted on 12/08/2006 4:10:14 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: rocksblues
How about this recommendation, rb? Sounds promising don't you think?

"Consider this, the ISG on page 54 recommends (12) that, "Syria can establish hotlines to exchange information with the Iraqis." I did not make that up. 1-800-JOKES ON U is my nomination for the hotline number. Maybe the Arabic letters are different on the phones over there (I’m not sure). But I am sure that whoever gets hired to man the phone center for the "tip line" should bring his Gameboy to work because there won’t be anything to do there."

10 posted on 12/08/2006 4:10:15 PM PST by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser and Shalit, we are praying for you)
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To: IntelliQuark
Someone has to get the message to this man that there have to be significant changes...

There may well be significant changes... but not until January 20, 2009.

11 posted on 12/08/2006 4:12:45 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: Mo1
Thanks for the good news Harry .. I feel much better knowing he upsets you

LOL! Harry is such a twit!

(btw, I'm still waiting for apologies from the FR naysayers who were saying he would fold on Iraq..... Will any be forthcoming?? Yeah.....right!)

12 posted on 12/08/2006 4:13:59 PM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: IntelliQuark

He is tepid in what he talks about doing
I believe it was said about Lincoln he was either firmly weak in his support of any given legislation or weakly firm.


13 posted on 12/08/2006 4:14:07 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: Bahbah

I guess that the only recommendation I would agree with is we need more boots on the ground.


14 posted on 12/08/2006 4:14:08 PM PST by rocksblues (Do unto others as they do unto you!)
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To: rocksblues

Well obviously, we should immediately meet with Iran, Syria and the Palestinians and offer to give away Israel. In return, we expect them not to shoot us in the ass as we redeploy to Okinawa. Also we're trusting them not ever to claim they won. We will be soooo mad at you guys if you do!


15 posted on 12/08/2006 4:14:47 PM PST by Sender ("Always tell the truth; then you don't have to remember anything." -Mark Twain)
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To: IntelliQuark

Its not a good idea to plan your future from advise from a nursing home.


16 posted on 12/08/2006 4:16:08 PM PST by Big Horn (Life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal . Author unknown)
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To: Mr. Brightside
Please cite the reference and provide a link for the last time you heard President Bush say that we must just "Stay the course."

He has been talking about making necessary adjustments dependent on the situation on the ground from the beginning.

"Stay the course" is a catch phrase for uninformed people, left and right, who don't pay any attention to what the Commander in Chief is actually saying.

17 posted on 12/08/2006 4:16:48 PM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: ohioWfan

I always understood "Stay the course" to mean onto victory

But hey, whadda I know


18 posted on 12/08/2006 4:19:21 PM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: IntelliQuark

THE ISG IS AN ATTEMPTED COUP.

It appears the coup has failed and Reid and Pelosi are very disappointed.


It seems the elitists are upset their worldview is not being obeyed. (you will obey my Authooooreeeh teeeee!!!)

I REALLY HOPE GWBUSH SAYS "SURRENDER IS NOT AN OPTION." in his upcomming speech. If he says that word for word, it turns the cut and run democrats into surrender monkeys.


19 posted on 12/08/2006 4:19:22 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: IntelliQuark

Reid to Bush: Why aren't you putting us at the mercy of Iran and Syria and begging them not to hurt us?


20 posted on 12/08/2006 4:21:24 PM PST by mjp
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To: IntelliQuark

How 'bout it Dingy Harry...lets cut and run and fight this war on terror in the Rockford Mall. Its a much cleaner place and easier to reach. You idiot!


21 posted on 12/08/2006 4:21:53 PM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: IntelliQuark

Maybe this is a hopeful sign that Bush will finally get rid of the stupid "New Tone" and start being the stubborn hard-ass again we all love & cherish.


22 posted on 12/08/2006 4:21:59 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Mo1
Stay the course as in don't cut and run and persevere until there is victory, yes.

But, as the poster wrote it, and as the left uses it, it indicates stagnation and lack of progress.

IMO, it's become a catchphrase for the anti-Bush forces, left and right, and no longer means what it was intended to mean when it was first stated.

23 posted on 12/08/2006 4:22:18 PM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: longtermmemmory

The ISG was SOCIALISM at its best....


24 posted on 12/08/2006 4:23:11 PM PST by goodnesswins (I think the real problem is islamo-bombia! (Rummyfan))
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

exactly, the democrats are in charge now, what are THEY going to do about iraq


25 posted on 12/08/2006 4:24:12 PM PST by italianquaker (Democrats its time to fish or cut bait, no more blaming Prez Bush.)
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To: ohioWfan

Well .. the opposite of victory is defeat

They need to stop playing games and call it what it is DEFEAT


26 posted on 12/08/2006 4:25:32 PM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: rocksblues

Well the democrats have their cover now

They don't need a plan

They only have to shout implement the 911 commission report

Er I mean IG study


27 posted on 12/08/2006 4:26:22 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: IntelliQuark

"He is tepid in what he talks about doing."

Being tepid about ISG tepidity is no vice, Harry.


28 posted on 12/08/2006 4:26:32 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Chi-townChief

Apparently Mr. Bush never watched F Troop. We need to retreat our way to victory!


29 posted on 12/08/2006 4:27:07 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Mo1
That's the truth, Mo. The left wants defeat, and they're afraid to admit what they're really thinking.

On the other hand, the FR bunch who use the words 'stay the course' against President Bush mostly want to blow the entire country of Iraq to kingdom come, and nothing short will satisfy them......

30 posted on 12/08/2006 4:31:21 PM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: uncbob

A GOP Senator scuttled Bolton's UN appointment

A GOP congressman came up with the ISG idea

Good thing the GOP had congress


31 posted on 12/08/2006 4:34:42 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: IntelliQuark
The arrogance of the Democrats is only exceeded by their hatred for America and freedom."

Well said.

32 posted on 12/08/2006 4:42:44 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Mo1
Here's hoping that:

1) W will ignore key parts of the ISG
2) which will anger Reid and Dems
3) the group members will be interviewed about the pig-head Bush
4) details will emerge from some committee members of the flawed process (although I believe they're sworn to silence, iirc)

It will become evident that several "planks" were included simply to placate one committee member or another
It will become crystal clear why the ISG report is such a worthless mish-mash of crap.

33 posted on 12/08/2006 4:52:00 PM PST by chiller (Old Media is not yet dead. Turn them off and they will die for the sake of sanity.)
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To: IntelliQuark

I wish the President would take this further. I wish he would have told the study group he ain't talking to Iran one on one and to forget it as that recommendation is DOA. What the heck does the President and the Republicans have to lose now I ask? What?


34 posted on 12/08/2006 4:58:37 PM PST by plain talk
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To: plain talk
The military won the war but the liberal politicians are going to quit again.
Sometimes I think we are fighting the wrong people and other times I know we are fighting the wrong people.
35 posted on 12/08/2006 5:01:43 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Mo1
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw....poor Harry and good for President Bush and us.
36 posted on 12/08/2006 5:02:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Sender
Well obviously, we should immediately meet with Iran, Syria and the Palestinians and offer to give away Israel.

Well, that would certainly make Jim ("F#$@ the Jews!") Baker happy...

37 posted on 12/08/2006 5:06:22 PM PST by COBOL2Java ("No stronger retrograde force exists in the world" - Winston Churchill on Islam)
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To: longtermmemmory

"I REALLY HOPE GWBUSH SAYS "SURRENDER IS NOT AN OPTION." in his upcomming speech. If he says that word for word, it turns the cut and run democrats into surrender monkeys."

I hope so too! Also hope he says he will give more consideration to what he hears from the troops on the ground than what he hears from those who have not been to Iraq to even see our accoumplishments! I MOSTLY wish that he would announce that Israel and the US troops are already bombing Iran! Just wishing!



38 posted on 12/08/2006 5:16:19 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: Vigilanteman
But I suspect Dingy Harry is talking about a politically acceptable way to cut and run so we can fight the War on Islamofacism closer to home.

Dingy Harry wants the money we spend on the war in Iraq so he and his liberal friends in Washington DC can use it for entitlement spending to buy more votes. If Sen. Reid were in charge of our military the only funds saved from the War on Terror would be the transportation cost of sending our brave soldiers and equipment to Iraq. He would save us that funding because the fighting will end up right here in our homeland.

39 posted on 12/08/2006 5:18:11 PM PST by jerry639
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To: IntelliQuark

It must be frustrating for the democrats and media not to be the president of the United States. Its still an awful reality check for them.

The Iraq Study Group was not elected by the people to conduct foreign policy and defend the United States of America. Harry Reid was elected to represent Nevada and not to guide the foreign policy of the United States. The main stream media needs to be reminded that George W Bush is the president and that he has the authority of the executive branch of government vested to him by the constitution.


40 posted on 12/08/2006 5:20:53 PM PST by Keflavik76
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
It's your ball now libs. Cut the troop funding if you don't like things.

Yep! Reid and Polosi are in charge now. Anything that goes wrong for here on out is their fault. Not the fault of the President.

41 posted on 12/08/2006 5:21:30 PM PST by jerry639
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To: IntelliQuark
I just didn't feel there today, the president in his words or his demeanor, that he is going to do anything right away to change things drastically," Senate Majority Leader-elect Harry Reid, D-Nev., said following the Oval Office meeting. "He is tepid in what he talks about doing. Someone has to get the message to this man that there have to be significant changes."

Why Sen Reid you're the Senate majority leader. Why didn't you tell him?

Despite any reservationsdabout President Bush and illegal immigration etc, he is now about the only thing standing between us and an abject Democrat surrender in the War on Terror.

Are the Dems going to use the report as an excuse to move forward on impeachment? "The President won't listen to the ISG! We must impeach him!"

42 posted on 12/08/2006 5:22:00 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: plain talk

what do we have to lose? the 2008 election.

But to your point - when the President makes his strategy speech to the nation in a couple of weeks, he is going to have to answer the question you just posed. He is going to have to explain why talking to Iran isn't going to work. But he is also going to have to answer the harder question - if we don't talk to Iran, and we don't plan on taking military action against them to stop their interference in iraq, what do we do to contain them? can we stablize iraq, without dealing with iran?


43 posted on 12/08/2006 5:22:33 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Rummyfan

Not your father's terrorists bump...


44 posted on 12/08/2006 5:22:36 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: Big Horn

LOL Great post.


45 posted on 12/08/2006 5:23:21 PM PST by jerry639
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To: seekthetruth
"also hope he says he will give more consideration to what he hears from the troops on the ground than what he hears from those who have not been to Iraq"

Bush should do that. But if Bush can't get Iraq to stand up before 2008 and reploy these troops elsewhere, then kiss goodbye to all who support him in Congress. The troops know that it did not take 4 years to train them to fight.

46 posted on 12/08/2006 5:25:27 PM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: ohioWfan
On the other hand, the FR bunch who use the words 'stay the course' against President Bush mostly want to blow the entire country of Iraq to kingdom come, and nothing short will satisfy them......

And if we could add Syria and Iran to the list!

47 posted on 12/08/2006 5:28:10 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: ex-snook

exactly right. I keep trying to post that side of the argument.

look, all of us here want to win. we all want things to work out well. But we have closed off alot of options for ourselves - we gave iraq this democracy, so we can't use acute US military force and kick butt all over the country, without Malaki's approval. And Sadr owns Maliki, even Rush admitted that on his show today. so that limits this option. next, we know syria and iran are acting to de-stabilize iraq. anyone here seriously think we are going to attack syria or iran?

so basically, we are down to the same plan we've always had for this phase 2 of the war - the iraqis must stand up. OK, it a good plan. What if it doesn't happen? What happens if iraq is unable to pull themselves together, suppose the internal strife, the religious differences, and problems too big for them to overcome. What happens then?


48 posted on 12/08/2006 5:31:59 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Don Corleone
He is an idiot isn't he? The whole bunch of them: Pelosi, Emmanuel, Schumer, Reid and now these dopes who put out the most trite tripe and try to foist it off as a policy paper. Where was the military representation in the group? How about some Iraqi representation? No a bunch of career Washington insiders! Yeah, they know all about Iraq! IT'S ALL B*LLSH*T!!!!!!
49 posted on 12/08/2006 5:32:18 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: ohioWfan

Me too! I didn't take names. I wish that I did now.


50 posted on 12/08/2006 5:40:40 PM PST by Blue State Insurgent (Those who know the truth need to speak out against these kinds of myths, and lies, and distortions..)
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