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Did A Lone Rabbi Mean to Ban Christmas Trees?
Townhall.com ^ | December 10, 2006 | Michael Medved

Posted on 12/11/2006 8:14:08 AM PST by beaversmom

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To: Hildy
The decision was not the Rabbi's

He is the one waving the attorneys around in a crowded place. That establishes intent.

61 posted on 12/11/2006 8:48:35 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: beaversmom

Oh, geez, I read this header as "Did a Lone Rabbit Mean to Ban Christmas Trees", which seemed odd. Why would the rabbit care?

Will get coffee and return... The worst part is that I'd been following this Sea Tac story on another thread and STILL misread it.


62 posted on 12/11/2006 8:49:42 AM PST by Mjaye (Some folks close their mouth only long enough to change feet.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
The liberal wench that runs the "Port of Seattle" was given a chance, and she jumped on it. No mystery here.

Of course, another way of looking at it is: everyone was getting along just fine. Pretty trees, happy people.

Then someone decided to lawyer up.

63 posted on 12/11/2006 8:49:45 AM PST by Wormwood (Everybody is lying---but it doesn't matter because nobody is listening)
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To: 13foxtrot
The lawyer provided a legal brief to port explaining that a Menora could be displayed w/o triggering any liability for the port.

Not being a clergyman myself, I would assume that people in the clergy have discussed this in trade magazines, etc. I could be wrong. I think he lawyered-up too early. A personal letter from the Rabbi might have provoked a less bureaucratic response from Sea Tac apparatchiks.

64 posted on 12/11/2006 8:50:07 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, thats how you sell clothing.)
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To: beaversmom
As a matter of fact, I know and like Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky, the now notorious clergyman at the center of this swirling controversy.

Irrelevant

He’s a good guy, a young father of five (including new-born twins), and the son-in-law of the wonderful Rabbi at the synagogue I attend each week.

STILL irrelevant

Sea-Tac certainly gave the predictable bureaucrat's reponse by throwing the baby out with the bathwater but the ball had to start rolling somehow.

65 posted on 12/11/2006 8:51:03 AM PST by relictele
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To: beaversmom

Basically the rabbi is an azzclown in this situation and he will be made to look like the "Hebrew Hammer" by the action of hiring a lawyer and the CYA actions of the beauracrats at SeaTac.


66 posted on 12/11/2006 8:51:20 AM PST by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: Mjaye
Oh, geez, I read this header as "Did a Lone Rabbit Mean to Ban Christmas Trees", which seemed odd. Why would the rabbit care?

That's funny. The way I type anymore, I'm surpised that's not the headline.

67 posted on 12/11/2006 8:51:21 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: Sans-Culotte

[Equating "asking" with "a demand followed by the threat of a fed lawsuit" would be like equating "STFU" with "Pardon me, I beg to differ".]

LOL!!!


68 posted on 12/11/2006 8:51:21 AM PST by khnyny (God Bless the Republic for which it stands)
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To: beaversmom

Menorahs and Mangers, that's what I want to see in prominent places, in front of important buildings, at Christmas/Hannukka time.

I don't want to see Christmas trees and menorahs - menorahs are religious; Christmas trees are festive, but only tangentially religious (if you put an angel or a Star of Bethlhem on top, which they never do).

I don't want to see Santa and Rudolph and menorahs. Menorahs are religious. Santa, well, there WAS a Saint Nicolas, but the jolly man in the red suit with flying reindeer is not a religious symbol. (It's sad, because properly understood, Santa Claus WAS a religious symbol, of the spirit of Christian giving and love for children, especially.) There's nothing WRONG with Santa Claus, but he's an artifact of the season, and a commercialized one at that. A menorah is industrial-strength religion. So is a Manger.

I want to see Menorahs and Mangers. If there is a Menorah, I want to see a Manger, except in front of a Temple, obviously. If there's a Manger, a Menorah is fine (even in front of a Christian Church - Christians have the theological right to claim all of the Jewish holidays, although only a few do). This is America, and we're not all Christian, and this IS Hannukka season too.

I do NOT want to see a Muslim crescent. This is not Ramadan. This season has NO Muslim significance at all, and never did. I do not want to see the DILUTION of Christmas (and Hannukka) by the INCLUSION of crescent moons. It's inappropriate.

And I don't want to see funky Kwaanza-anythings. Kwaanza is as made-up as Rudolph the Red-Nosed-Reindeer, but not even half as old. It's not real, and I don't want to see it represented as though it is.

All of this is highly intolerant on my part, but then, I am a fan of democracy. 80% of us are Christians (95% of us celebrate Christmas). Let's celebrate our democracy a bit by CHOOSING to be a bit intolerant during OUR season. But let's choose to be tolerant of Jews, because there's a legitimate Jewish holiday during this time of the year for Jews, and we've beaten up on Jews enough over the course of our history that it's right to make a nod there. Anyway, Jesus and Mary and Joseph were Jews, and they'd no doubt approve, and seeing the two symbols juxtaposed gets you thinking about the issues that separate them, and makes you think about who's wrong and who's right, ultimately. That's not a bad thing to do.

But Crescents and Kwanzaa and any other damned impose-it-because-they're-sensitive symbol? No. Let's draw the line. Let's remind everybody of democratic power - that we CAN vote to be a little bit insensitive in order to celebrate OUR holiday without mucking it up with extraneous and inappropriate crap.


69 posted on 12/11/2006 8:51:53 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: beaversmom

You're right. Shoulds been "Oy Vey Silverstein!"


70 posted on 12/11/2006 8:54:20 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: beaversmom

71 posted on 12/11/2006 8:54:37 AM PST by Gritty (If you don’t know what you have to fear, you will not survive - Ayaan Hirsi Ali)
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To: MeanWestTexan
want to see more?

public menorahs around the world, courtesy Chabad-Lubavitch

72 posted on 12/11/2006 8:55:19 AM PST by APRPEH (id theft info available on my profile page)
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To: RightWhale
He is the one waving the attorneys around in a crowded place. That establishes intent.

I agree. No self-respecting lawyer would work unless being paid handsomely to do it. Someone was going to foot the bill for that lawsuit. Follow the money, you find the perp.

73 posted on 12/11/2006 8:55:23 AM PST by SpinnerWebb (Islam... if ya can't join 'em, beat 'em.)
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To: Hildy

The Rabbi made two demands:

Put up a Jewish menorah and let us have a religious ceremony or tear the Christmas trees down. If you fail to comply with these demands we will sue your ass off.

The rabbis is not a passive player here.


74 posted on 12/11/2006 8:55:54 AM PST by daviscupper
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To: Hildy

From what I heard on the news this morning, the menorah would not go up without a religious ceremony conducted on the spot. And there's the rub.


75 posted on 12/11/2006 8:56:41 AM PST by Melinda
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To: daviscupper
The rabbis is not a passive player here.

And he is richly deserving of the attention he has brought upon himself.

76 posted on 12/11/2006 8:57:16 AM PST by Wormwood (Everybody is lying---but it doesn't matter because nobody is listening)
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To: beaversmom
Put some bubble lights on the tree in the shape of a Menorah and everyone should be satisfied.


77 posted on 12/11/2006 8:57:24 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: 13foxtrot
yep.

see post 42

78 posted on 12/11/2006 8:57:36 AM PST by APRPEH (id theft info available on my profile page)
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To: beaversmom

I have no problem with a Menorah.


79 posted on 12/11/2006 8:57:42 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: SJackson
Maybe someone can post a Holiday Tree. I'd like to see what they look like.

Here's a Holiday Tree.

80 posted on 12/11/2006 8:58:02 AM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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