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ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION: Bill would deny state benefits
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 12 Dec 06 | Sean Whaley

Posted on 12/12/2006 12:43:44 PM PST by rellimpank

Assemblyman wants proof of legal residency

CARSON CITY -- Newly elected Assemblyman Ty Cobb, R-Reno, said Monday he has requested a bill to prohibit Nevada residents living here illegally from receiving most state benefits, including the Millennium Scholarship for academically qualified high school graduates.

Cobb's measure, now being drafted, would require a Social Security number or some other form of identification showing a person is a legal resident of the country before he or she could gain access to state programs.

Although emergency medical care would not be included in any ban, many other state programs could

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: 3dollarwatermelons; aliens; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; invasionusa
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--would appear to have more chance than the Pahrump ordinance posted earlier--
1 posted on 12/12/2006 12:43:46 PM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

How racist! Not.


2 posted on 12/12/2006 12:44:41 PM PST by glorgau
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To: rellimpank
"Cobb's measure...require a Social Security number...showing a person is a legal resident of the country before he or she could gain access to state programs." How the heck has this NOT been the case up until now? If you can't get into a movie theater without a ticket, how the devil do you collect state aid without aid i.d.?!
3 posted on 12/12/2006 12:46:21 PM PST by utahagen
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To: rellimpank
Cobb's measure, now being drafted, would require a Social Security number or some other form of identification showing a person is a legal resident of the country before he or she could gain access to state programs.

Every illegal I've ever known - and working in restaurants and full-service car washes, I knew quite a few - had a Social Security card.

Those are not hard to get.

This requirement means exactly dick.
4 posted on 12/12/2006 12:46:47 PM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: rellimpank

Why should taxpayers pay for illegals to get a free ride? We should take all of their benefits away, and deport them back to Mexico, or where ever they came from!


5 posted on 12/12/2006 12:48:17 PM PST by NRA2BFree (May you always have love to share, health to spare, and friends that care.)
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To: NRA2BFree

Another bill destined to be struck down by the HIGH courts, George W better put someone on the bench that agrees once in awhile with legislatures..


6 posted on 12/12/2006 12:52:45 PM PST by rovenstinez (,)
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To: Xenalyte

You are correct. And when the SS Admin notifies you that the Number and Names don't match up that is where the fun begins. You cannot suspend, fire, layoff or affect their job in anyway. All you can do is tell them they need to go to the SS office. You can not ask them about the outcome of their visit.


7 posted on 12/12/2006 12:52:48 PM PST by xowboy
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To: rovenstinez
"Another bill destined to be struck down by the HIGH courts, George W better put someone on the bench that agrees once in awhile with legislatures.."



George W. wants the illegals here. His next Supreme Court appointment will likely be an open borders Hispanic.
8 posted on 12/12/2006 12:57:08 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

If the next nominee is to be a Hispanic, then please let it be Emilio Garza, and not Alberto Gonzalez. With the former, we could expect generally good jurisprudence. With the latter, we'd probably be looking at another O'Connor in the best case scenario, and another Souter in the worst.


As to this legislation; if it fails, then perhaps they can put it to a direct vote as they just did in Arizona.


9 posted on 12/12/2006 1:03:57 PM PST by Aetius
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To: rellimpank

Legislation proposed that is consistent with Common Sense?......PRICELESS !


10 posted on 12/12/2006 1:05:48 PM PST by traditional1
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To: NRA2BFree

But that's insensitive to them.


11 posted on 12/12/2006 1:07:18 PM PST by wastedyears ("By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: NRA2BFree
Why should taxpayers pay for illegals to get a free ride?

Because our givernment says we have to - that's why! /s

note the misspell of "government" was not intentional, but I did not correct it because, well, it seems more appropriate with the typo.

12 posted on 12/12/2006 1:12:01 PM PST by Last Laugh
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


13 posted on 12/12/2006 1:13:20 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: Last Laugh
Because our givernment says we have to - that's why! /s<,/i>


14 posted on 12/12/2006 1:13:49 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Xenalyte
"This requirement means exactly dick. "

That's affirmed. I'll bet a steak dinner in the fine print of this bill "some other form of identification showing a person is a legal resident" will include a utility bill or something else equally difficult to obtain.

15 posted on 12/12/2006 1:19:08 PM PST by moehoward
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To: rellimpank

The rest of the state governments should take note.


16 posted on 12/12/2006 1:20:22 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: lilylangtree; All

--as it says in the article, it is modeled on the Colorado law passed last summer. I haven't kept up with how that is working but do recall it raised some howls from the usual suspects--


17 posted on 12/12/2006 1:26:23 PM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Xenalyte
Another widely-used SSN scheme: the illegals name their anchor baby the same name as the parent. They obtain a valid SSN for the anchor baby; the parent uses it, no one checks beyond name-matching, if that.

There's also the scheme where former Mexican US citizens now back in Mexico rent their valid SSN's to illegals. Read on.


Some Immigrants Are Offering Social Security Numbers for Rent
New York Times 6/7/2005 | EDUARDO PORTER
Posted on 06/06/2005 11:57:25 PM EDT by nj26

Gerardo Luviano is looking for somebody to rent his Social Security number. Mr. Luviano, 39, obtained legal residence in the United States almost 20 years ago. But these days, back in Mexico, teaching beekeeping at the local high school in this hot, dusty town in the southwestern part of the country, Mr. Luviano is not using his Social Security number. So he is looking for an illegal immigrant in the United States to use it for him - providing a little cash along the way. "I've almost managed to contact somebody to lend my number to," Mr. Luviano said. "My brother in California has a friend who has crops and has people that need one."

Mr. Luviano's pending transaction is merely a blip in a shadowy yet vibrant underground market. Virtually undetected by American authorities, operating below the radar in immigrant communities from coast to coast, a secondary trade in identities has emerged straddling both sides of the Mexico-United States border. The number of people participating in the illegal deals is impossible to determine accurately. But it is clearly significant, flourishing despite efforts to combat identity fraud.

"There are people who live in Mexico who take $4,000 or $5,000 in unemployment in the off season," said Jorge Eguiluz, a labor contractor working in the fields around Stockton, Calif. "They just lend the number during the season." The deals also generate cash in other ways.

Most identity lending happens within an extended family, or among immigrants from the same hometown. But it is still a hard-nosed transaction. Illegal immigrant workers usually earn so little they are owed an income tax refund at the end of the year. The illegal immigrant "working the number" will usually pay the real owner by sharing the tax refund.

Since legal American residents can lose their green cards if they stay outside the country too long, for those who have returned to Mexico it is useful to have somebody working under their identity north of the border. "There are people who live in Mexico who take $4,000 or $5,000 in unemployment in the off season," said Jorge Eguiluz, a labor contractor working in the fields around Stockton, Calif. "They just lend the number during the season."

The deals also generate cash in other ways. Most identity lending happens within an extended family, or among immigrants from the same hometown. But it is still a hard-nosed transaction. Illegal immigrant workers usually earn so little they are owed an income tax refund at the end of the year. The illegal immigrant "working the number" will usually pay the real owner by sharing the tax refund. "Sometimes the one who is working doesn't mind giving all the refund, he just wants to work," said Fernando Rosales, who runs a shop preparing income taxes in the immigrant-rich enclave of Huntington Park, Calif. "But others don't, and sometimes they fight over it. We see that all the time. It's the talk of the place during income tax time."

The income tax "refund" is almost certainly generated by Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) fraud, which as a "legal resident" the number renter would qualify to receive, especially if they have have or claim children. The EITC is a "refundable tax credit, which means the IRS will pay it out even if no taxes have been withheld or paid in. So the IRS gives filers who claim the EITC "refunds," even if they have had no taxes withheld. These number renters can claim up to $4,400 for the 2005 tax year in EITC "refunds," most of the number renters probably claim this maximum refund.

The Additional Child Tax Credit is another "refundable" credit which is no doubt routinely claimed by these renters.For 2005, if the number renter claimed $14,400 in wage income, and three children, between the EITC and the Additional Child Tax Credit the renter would, without having any taxes withheld from wages, receive a tax "refund" of $4,898, plus have $892 credited to Social Security; in addition to the potential of thousands of dollars in California unemployment compensation.

18 posted on 12/12/2006 1:31:21 PM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: Last Laugh

I thought the type was perfect and far better than any other I have seen. Put it in your tag line!


19 posted on 12/12/2006 1:34:36 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: raybbr

LOL!


20 posted on 12/12/2006 1:36:30 PM PST by Last Laugh
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To: xowboy

If they don't come up with a ligitimate # you sure can fir them.


21 posted on 12/12/2006 1:36:32 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Snoopers-868th
I thought the type was perfect and far better than any other I have seen. Put it in your tag line!

It was sort of a written Freudian slip, I'm not sure how it would work in a tagline, might get me banned or something. But I agree it would be a good one!

22 posted on 12/12/2006 1:39:15 PM PST by Last Laugh
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To: Xenalyte

I recall reading a while back that when an illegal had a baby they would give the men the new baby's social security card. Denying benefits is a step in the right direction, however the anchor baby is going to bite us in the a$$ big time.


23 posted on 12/12/2006 1:48:03 PM PST by panthermom
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To: panthermom
"however the anchor baby is going to bite us in the a$$ big time.

Already has!!

I am so sick and tired of the 15 illegals living in our neighborhood in ONE HOUSE!! They have tires piled high in the backyard, they have young teen boys (maybe anchorbrats) washing their cars and whatever, they play very LOUD music from their pickups all day and night.

24 posted on 12/12/2006 1:54:36 PM PST by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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To: Last Laugh

I've had this same tag line for probably a year now.


25 posted on 12/12/2006 2:45:19 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: Xenalyte
Any signal that ID will be examined is a good signal, and a discouragement for lawbreaking. I'm not as interested in doing the job well as I am in getting started doing something!
26 posted on 12/12/2006 3:05:27 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: stopem

You oughtta be able to go after the landlords...or do they own?


27 posted on 12/12/2006 3:06:18 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: rellimpank

I wish the lawmaker luck.

But after Nov. 7, it's all over.

Open-borders and endless Amnesty will federal law next year.

And demographics will likely prevent a reversal for decades.
If ever.


28 posted on 12/12/2006 3:09:43 PM PST by VOA
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To: Mamzelle

But examining ID means nothing if the ID itself is fraudulently obtained.

It's like asking to see my Social Security card, and when I hand you my mother's card, you say, "Great. That's what we needed. Thanks."

What does that prove, except that ID is easily obtainable? (And that fact I think we all knew.)


29 posted on 12/12/2006 3:10:01 PM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: wastedyears
But that's insensitive to them.

Yes, I know! Isn't that just wonderful? LOL

30 posted on 12/12/2006 3:20:17 PM PST by NRA2BFree (May you always have love to share, health to spare, and friends that care.)
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To: Xenalyte
Many of these illegals are risk-averse. They often hate having their pictures taken--case in point, someone having some work done on his house wanted pictures of "work in progress", and the workers hurriedly moved away when they saw the camera.

It would take some boldness, indeed, to display a fake SS card to get guv benefits, rather than the wink-wink relationship the illegals have with crooked employers who seek out illegals in the first place.

It's one more layer, one more obstacle they have to overcome, one more page on the paper trail--and then you've got 'em for fraud if they do get caught.

UCLA just got hacked into. Made off with almost a million SS#'s of present and former students. There's all kinds of ID problems out there.

Sounds like you're ready to give up before it's even tried.

31 posted on 12/12/2006 3:27:04 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

No they are renting and we have no idea who owns the house.


32 posted on 12/12/2006 3:27:37 PM PST by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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To: stopem

I'll bet there's a way to find out. Any police called to the place?


33 posted on 12/12/2006 3:28:40 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

I'm not sure why you call me defeatist when I merely point out why the proposed solution will solve nothing.

If I found out you were taking sugar pills for cancer, I'd point out that sugar pills do not cure cancer. Would that mean I'm ready to give up the fight against cancer?


34 posted on 12/12/2006 3:29:41 PM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: rellimpank

Taking cues from the citizens of Arizona... in spite of our rat governor we're making headway.


35 posted on 12/12/2006 3:29:50 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Liz

This is part of the reason that the illegals are able to own houses/condos that you and I couldn't afford. I met a woman who was a parking garage attendant and her husband (the illegal) was a house painter. The had a house and a townhouse. I live in an apartment, because I can't afford anything. Go figure.


36 posted on 12/12/2006 3:41:13 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Stop benefits to illegals! NOW!)
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To: Xenalyte
It will do more than "nothing"--it will do "something"--it won't do "everything." I have to believe your assertion is an imposture, some kind of faked rhetoric. "Don't do it because it won't solve the problem"--well, it'll help.

A cop on the beat doesn't mean there'll be no crime in that beat. It means there'll be less crime.

That's kinda the way it is with solving a problem. And cancer is treated, generally, through several kinds of treatments, with the full knowledge that a quick cure is not possible. Surgery, chemo, radiation, therapy--you want to throw 'em all out, because none of them are reliably perfect?

Only citizens and lawful aliens ought to get government benefits. Requiring ID is the first step to enforcement.

I know of a non-profit free clinic in a community that requires ID for its services. They have NO illegals in their waiting room. NONE. NADA. The illegals head for the ER, where no ID is required.

37 posted on 12/12/2006 3:42:57 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

"..It would take some boldness, indeed, to display a fake SS card to get guv benefits..."


FYI. They have plenty of boldness. They do it all the time here in California.


38 posted on 12/12/2006 3:44:00 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Stop benefits to illegals! NOW!)
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To: oneamericanvoice

So far it's harder in states east of Eden. For instance, in my state it is really hard for an illegal to get a driver's license--he'd have to commit several levels of fraud. A few obstacles, and it works. Not perfectly.


39 posted on 12/12/2006 3:53:38 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: oneamericanvoice

Outrageous----and while sucking up US benefits on the backs of taxpayers, they are sending billions back to Mexico where they both of them will retire while collecting several SS checks (using fake ID's).


40 posted on 12/12/2006 5:58:28 PM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: Liz

This is unreal but I know it is true.

On Lou Dobbs tonight he mentioned that the illegals are stealing small childrens SS# because a child doesn't use a number very often so it is harder to detect a stolen number.

Dobbs also mentioned that business owners give the SS# of a previous employee to the illegal. It is not a felony to give away SS#s but it is a felony to use them.


41 posted on 12/12/2006 6:46:01 PM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Last Laugh
I like the word givernment. Very descriptive.
42 posted on 12/12/2006 6:48:28 PM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Liz

I'm with you! It is outrageous. But here's another twist. Now they don't have to use rented or fake SS# because they've just been granted the right to collect SS if they have worked a short time (44 monthes I think), whereas we the American citizen has to work for far longer before collecting.

The other thing that galls me is the banks kissing their butts with everything from FREE money transfer to Mexico, lower interest loans, etc! How can an illegal get a loan anyway for anything? I have to prove everything! And then when they don't get their way, they stage massive protests. That's when I'd be rounding them up! I stopped going to a favorite restaurant when they went to the walk out. Screw 'em! Go home and fix your own country! is what I say!


43 posted on 12/12/2006 7:21:29 PM PST by oneamericanvoice
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To: texastoo
I like the word givernment. Very descriptive.

It was suggested that I use the word in my tagline. I was afraid I would be banned.

But, I think I'll check it out. How about it? Check my new tag, tell me what you think. Suggesting changes would be nice (I'm not terribly creative)

44 posted on 12/12/2006 7:46:08 PM PST by Last Laugh (Our GIVErnment suggests we must accept illegals as citizens)
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To: dalereed
Actually on the response from SSA, it really does inform you that:

>The information you receive from SSNVS (unverified name/number) does not make any statement regarding a worker's immigration status.

I find is all very confusing!

Please excuse the long response I hope it posts alright---was very strange on preview

45 posted on 12/13/2006 4:47:58 AM PST by xowboy
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To: Xenalyte

Correct


46 posted on 12/13/2006 5:26:22 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: Liz
Third worlders can work the system like no one else, same in S.Fla.,capital of the third world.
We need to restrict immigration to 175,000 per year "after" all borders are sealed, either that or give up the country.
47 posted on 12/13/2006 5:29:44 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: stopem

It's probably Section 8. Landlords can get more money that way than by just renting to people who actually pay. I got a 30 day notice once because the landlord said he could get twice what I was paying that way.

If that's the case the landlord is not going to care what they do as long as the check clears.


48 posted on 12/13/2006 5:39:12 AM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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To: xowboy

They either make it match or they are fired, illegal or not!

Over the last 50 years i've fired hundreds for a lot of reasons.

I don't have to give them a reason, just hand them a check and tell them to go find a job.


49 posted on 12/13/2006 6:43:59 AM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed

I'm an employee so my decisions are dictated by my boss. The school district here did exactly as you did; employees sued, and their jobs were re-instated. The legal process is ongoing.


50 posted on 12/13/2006 6:58:12 AM PST by xowboy
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