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Tony Snow Challenges Senator (Gordon Smith) to ‘Duel’
NewsMax.com ^ | Tuesday, Dec. 12, 2006 1:54 p.m. EST | NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 12/12/2006 1:04:15 PM PST by Sopater

En garde, Sen. Gordon Smith! White House press secretary Tony Snow may challenge you to a duel.

Responding to a charge by Sen. Gordon Smith, R-Ore., that the U.S. handling of the war in Iraq has been "criminal" and "absurd," Snow told reporters that it was the killing of U.S. soldiers, not the conduct of the war itself, that was "immoral," according to Editor & Publisher.

Asked by a reporter during a White House press briefing if he was just going to "blow it off" in dealing with Smith's charge that the president's policy may be criminal and immoral, by simply saying we just disagree, Snow asked "And what would you like me to say?

"Should I do duels at 10 paces?"

Here, according to E&P is how it went:

Reporter: Republican Sen. Gordon Smith, last week, said, "Our soldiers patrolling the same streets in the same way, being blown up by the same bombs day after day, it's absurd. It may even be criminal," and that he can no longer support this. What is your reaction to a Republican senator saying that what's going on right now in Iraq is criminal?

Snow: Well, we dispute the "criminal" part, obviously, and at the same time, understand the senator's concern.

We share the concern about not doing well enough fast enough. But do not assume that people are simply being blown up. They are on missions. And as General Corelli said last week, "There's not an engagement our people have lost, but it is still important to continue the work of building greater capability and capacity on the part of the Iraqi government and helping them out."

People on both sides are going to have disagreements, much as Joe Lieberman, formerly a Democrat, apparently run out of his party for disagreeing with what was seen as orthodoxy at that time . . .

Reporter: Republican Sen. Smith is challenging the strategy. What he basically said yesterday, as well, was, when you do the same thing over and over again without a clear strategy for victory, that is dereliction, that is deeply immoral. Such is the dispute. He's saying what the president is doing is immoral.

Snow: Well, then we disagree.

Reporter: You're just going to blow it off? A Republican senator is saying the president's policy may be criminal and it's immoral, and you're just saying, we just disagree?

Snow: And what would you like me to say? Should I do duels at 10 paces?

Reporter: Don't you think you should answer for that? You're saying — you've said from this podium over and over that the strategy is a victory, right? And you have a Republican senator is saying there is no clear strategy, that you don't have a strategy.

Snow: Well, let's let Sen. Smith hear what the president has to say. We understand that this is a time where politics are emotional in the wake of an election. And you know what? Sen. Smith is entitled to his opinion. But I'm not sure exactly what you would like —

Reporter: Well, how about answering the central thrust about the strategy, not about, like, politics —

Snow: OK, the strategy is pretty simple. If you take a look, for instance — if you take a look at the Baker-Hamilton commission report, what do they talk about?

They talk about building greater capability on the part of the Iraqis so that you can have an Iraqi government that governs itself, sustains itself, defends itself, who's ally in the war on terror is a democracy.

I don't think it's immoral to be a democracy. I don't think it's immoral to have a state that is able to stand up and defend itself against acts of terror. I don't think it's immoral to defend the Iraqi people against acts of terrorism aimed at Muslims.

Reporter: The senator is not saying that's immoral. He's saying that the U.S. — he's saying, of course democracy is a great goal . . .

Snow: You know what, Ed? Ed, I'll tell you what. You're engaging in an argument and you're trying to fill in the gaps . . .

Reporter: It's not an argument. It's a Republican senator saying it, not me. It's a Republican senator saying it, and he's not . . . Are you saying Republican Sen. Smith is not in favor of democracy?

Snow: Well, I don't know. You just said he said it's immoral; when I listed the elements of the policy, you said that's not what he was talking about. So please tell me what he was talking about.

Reporter: He's saying that day after day, U.S. soldiers are . . . caught up in the middle of a civil war — not about the government there —

Snow: OK, here's what's immoral: the killing of American soldiers. We agree.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: dual; hamiltonburr; tonysnow
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1 posted on 12/12/2006 1:04:16 PM PST by Sopater
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To: Sopater

OMG!!! This is one of Tony's more brilliant exchanges, IMO!


2 posted on 12/12/2006 1:08:08 PM PST by The Blitherer ("I will prepare and some day my chance will come.")
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To: Sopater
Snow: OK, here's what's immoral: the killing of American soldiers. We agree.
Indeed.
3 posted on 12/12/2006 1:08:10 PM PST by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: Sopater

Tony slapping down yet another idiot reporter. This didn't happen to be, by any chance, Stretch Gregory again?


4 posted on 12/12/2006 1:09:35 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Sopater

surprised this wasnt whats her name,oh gregory


5 posted on 12/12/2006 1:09:37 PM PST by italianquaker (Democrats its time to fish or cut bait, no more blaming Prez Bush.)
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To: Sopater

Bush needs to suspend habeau corpus and the first amendment. These guys need to be locked up. Take 'em right off the streets and throw them in prison.

The MSM is STILL trying to find a lever to destroy Bush and the Republic. They want socialism and they want it now.


6 posted on 12/12/2006 1:10:33 PM PST by kjo
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To: Sopater
Sen. Gordon Smith is a weasel trying to save his sorry political ass. The only good thing about him is the "R" by his name.

Is is a sad fact that politics draws some of the worst opportunists who believe in little past their own interest and represent that the believe in what is expedient for the moment.

7 posted on 12/12/2006 1:10:34 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Sopater

Maybe Tony has the last spine for Republicans in DC.


8 posted on 12/12/2006 1:10:54 PM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, thats how you sell clothing.)
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To: Sopater

Wonder what reporter this was....hmmmmmmmm????


9 posted on 12/12/2006 1:11:19 PM PST by evad
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To: King Moonracer

We've been bellyaching about the lack of good 2008 candidates for President.

What about Tony Snow? I, for one, could go for that.


10 posted on 12/12/2006 1:12:33 PM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: Sopater

Notice they never tell us who the idiot reporter is to save them embarassment.


11 posted on 12/12/2006 1:13:56 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Why is the Viagra car in NASCAR a Ford and not a Stretch Limo?)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

According to the transcript, Tony addressed him as Ed.


12 posted on 12/12/2006 1:14:31 PM PST by rwa265
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To: Sopater

I love Tony more and more everyday!


13 posted on 12/12/2006 1:15:22 PM PST by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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To: Anti-Bubba182; All

"Sen. Gordon Smith is a weasel trying to save his sorry political ass. The only good thing about him is the "R" by his name."

He's a total RINO. His voting record and Special Interest Group rankings show that.

http://vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=BC033417


14 posted on 12/12/2006 1:15:53 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: RockinRight

Snow in '08 has a real nice ring to it.....


15 posted on 12/12/2006 1:16:07 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: RockinRight
What about Tony Snow? I, for one, could go for that.

Hey, that's exactly what I was thinking!

16 posted on 12/12/2006 1:17:58 PM PST by Jessarah
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Sen. Gordon Smith is a weasel trying to save his sorry political ass.

Exactly...He's playing to the lib faction in OR who I believe are increasing in numbers.

17 posted on 12/12/2006 1:18:43 PM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: RockinRight

How do we get some kind of draft Tony Snow for '08 movement going?


18 posted on 12/12/2006 1:19:47 PM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: Kimmers
Snow in '08 has a real nice ring to it.....

gotta be specific.. Tony Snow. i'd *really* hate for it to be olympia.
20 posted on 12/12/2006 1:22:59 PM PST by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders - don't re-elect them!)
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To: Sopater
Hannity interviews Mosul criminal element"
21 posted on 12/12/2006 1:23:36 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (For DemocRATs, being an American is all about rights, not duties.)
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To: evad

Probably that idiot Ed Henry, the CNN White House correspondent.


22 posted on 12/12/2006 1:24:25 PM PST by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: Doctor Raoul

You're right. The E&P site doesn't name the reporter, nor the White House site. There is an online video at whitehouse.gov which is longer than I care to watch, and it might not be possible to tell who it was.


23 posted on 12/12/2006 1:24:57 PM PST by gb63
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To: rwa265

Maybe Helen had Ed Asner with her...


24 posted on 12/12/2006 1:25:16 PM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: Sopater

I don't get Sen. Smith saying that. I've not seen him be quacky before.


25 posted on 12/12/2006 1:28:29 PM PST by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus)
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To: kjo

"The MSM is STILL trying to find a lever to destroy Bush and the Republic. They want socialism and they want it now."

They need to be careful what they wish for.
I think we are headed on the fast track for socialism. Sadly, I think Mr. Bush's policy of cut taxes and spend big are hastening the trip.
If the MSM is upset with the Bush administration's percieved lack of cooperation, just wait until they get a bunch of socialists in power and things go sour. (And they will, socialism doesn't work).


26 posted on 12/12/2006 1:39:46 PM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: kjo

Bush needs to suspend habeau corpus and the first amendment.

Wait a couple of years and if the Dems get in the White House you'll get your wish, and more.


27 posted on 12/12/2006 1:46:41 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: Sopater
Reporter: Republican Sen. Gordon Smith, last week, said, "Our soldiers patrolling the same streets in the same way, being blown up by the same bombs day after day, it's absurd.

I think this is a good point. When my nephew came back from Iraq he related a story about his unit taking sniper fire from a tall building. Rather than send soldiers into the building they detroyed the entire building. The problem was solved and the best part is they took no casualties. It seems we are sacrificing far too many lives for the sake of political correctness. I for one would not lose a bit of sleep if the US military obliterated an entire town after taking casualties from an IED. Instead we send a QRF into the town to roll over another IED or fight through ambushes that cause casualties. All this for the sake of politically correct doctrine.

28 posted on 12/12/2006 1:47:06 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
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To: Ajnin

I forgot to mention that my nephew was in Baghdad right after it's capture by Coalition forces. We need to go back to the closest point in time when war time politicians didn't sit down to pee.


29 posted on 12/12/2006 1:50:47 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
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To: kjo

Suspend the Hab. Corp because Tony Snow can't answer a question?


30 posted on 12/12/2006 1:54:22 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: kjo
Bush needs to suspend habeau corpus and the first amendment. These guys need to be locked up. Take 'em right off the streets and throw them in prison.

He had a historic opportunity to do just that in the weeks following 9/11. If he had done that instead of mouthing platitudes about the "Religion of Peace", the defeatists in the media that are responsible for the perception of failure in Iraq would have been exactly where they belong now -- breaking rocks in Ft. Leavenworth until the war is prosecuted to victory. Instead, they've been allowed to become propaganda organs for the Islamonazis.

FWIW, the communist front group ANSWER was formed right after 9/11 to oppose any use of the US military in response. In a sane world, that would have been nipped in the bud immediately.

31 posted on 12/12/2006 1:56:30 PM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: Sopater

You gotta love Tony Snow.


32 posted on 12/12/2006 2:04:33 PM PST by jmaroneps37 (Millions of Democrat babies aborted in 1988 or earlier did not vote this year.)
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To: Ajnin
All this for the sake of politically correct doctrine.

Absolutely. We cannot win this war on terror without some level of disproportionate response to attacks, and we cannot win this war on terror quickly without a large disporportionate response.
33 posted on 12/12/2006 2:16:19 PM PST by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: absolootezer0
Excellent point, thank you.... Tony- yes .... Olympia-heck no
34 posted on 12/12/2006 2:18:09 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: Sopater
Snow: And what would you like me to say? Should I do duels at 10 paces?

Headline abuse. A rhetorical question is NOT a challenge.
35 posted on 12/12/2006 2:18:27 PM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Sopater

I LOVE YOU TONY SNOW!!!!!!!!!


36 posted on 12/12/2006 2:25:18 PM PST by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: johnny7

I think you just described "ugliness" squared. If those two had offspring they would create another race of humans: The ugliest people alive.


37 posted on 12/12/2006 2:45:13 PM PST by daviscupper
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Tony called the reporter Ed.


38 posted on 12/12/2006 2:49:46 PM PST by Eva
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To: RockinRight

Count me in. This reporter was looking to start a political fight between the White House and an idiot republican Senator ,and Snow was too smart for him.

Good for Snow.

I ould have nop problem voting for tony Snow for president. So far he is head and shoulders above any of the other Republican dipsticks I have seen jumping up out of wherever they have been hiding.


39 posted on 12/12/2006 2:52:57 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: sgtbono2002

I think Snow IS what we HOPED Bush was back in 2000.


40 posted on 12/12/2006 3:52:36 PM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: RockinRight

Only Smarter.


41 posted on 12/12/2006 3:55:42 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Sopater

Tony Snow for President! To borrow a line from Kinky Friedman, Why the Hell Not?


42 posted on 12/12/2006 4:42:46 PM PST by crghill
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To: Sopater

If Bush had asked Tony to be his Press Secretary after Ari left, he wouldn't have half the problems he does.

Tony would have shown Joe Wilson to be the lying arrogant fool he is and destroyed the never ending Valerie Plame garbage.


43 posted on 12/12/2006 4:51:45 PM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Sopater
You gotta wonder why those reporters even go into the Press Room; they have to know that they're intellectually outgunned by Tony Snow.

Then, again, maybe they're too dumb to realize even that.

44 posted on 12/12/2006 8:24:35 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: GretchenM

Smith may switch parties -- the Dems are going to throw everything they have at him in 2008 otherwise. Smith and Collins of Maine are both being heavily courted. Given that the Dems are unlikely to lose seats and will probably gain a bunch, there's got to be an incentive.


45 posted on 12/13/2006 11:11:41 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Democratshavenobrains
If Bush had asked Tony to be his Press Secretary after Ari left, he wouldn't have half the problems he does.

I agree that McClellan was miserable, but I don't buy that he wouldn't be having problems. Unless Snow could have defeated the Iraq insurgency, Bush would still be in the same mess he's in now.

46 posted on 12/13/2006 11:13:11 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Sopater; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; coffeebreak; ...
Oregon Ping

Please notify me via FReepmail if you would like to be added to or taken off the Oregon Ping List.

47 posted on 12/19/2006 9:34:05 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Sopater
Smith is a RINO. He's Lost my vote now for sure. He is freakin pandering to the Lunacy left in Oregon. AGAIN. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
48 posted on 12/19/2006 10:09:51 PM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Isn't Smith something of a "right-winger" by OR standards, considering how totally left is that state. I do know that OR is one of a few states where the two U.S. senators once ran against each other. SD is another. What else?


49 posted on 12/20/2006 6:24:32 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Danae

Smith comes up again in 2010. By that time, no one will remember his inane outburst. Republicans will back him jut to "save the seat" as they do with Snowe and Collins in ME.


50 posted on 12/20/2006 6:25:53 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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