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To: Uncle Ike
When all of those "creative" mortgages come to their balloon or higher-payments points, and people find out that they can't refinance, (as promised as a 'selling point') and can't sell, and can't make the payments --

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a balloon? What is a "higher-payment point"?

Are you saying that banks in SoCal were making home mortgages with non-constant monthly payments, i.e. monthly mortgage payments that increased over time?

Yikes. Not where you'd want to be in a tight market [as the homeowner/mortgage payer], if, say, you unexpectedly lost your job...

155 posted on 12/13/2006 6:49:38 AM PST by BubbaHeel
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To: BubbaHeel

" Yikes. Not where you'd want to be in a tight market [as the homeowner/mortgage payer], if, say, you unexpectedly lost your job... "

Ignorance??

Looks to me like you're got a pretty good grasp of the situation... ;~)

(And, yes -- remember all those tv ads a few years ago for big mortgages with 'affordable' payments? Low-payment-now with increased-payments-over-time is exactly what they were selling...)


160 posted on 12/13/2006 6:54:39 AM PST by Uncle Ike ("Tripping over the lines connecting all of the dots"... [FReeper Pinz-n-needlez])
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To: BubbaHeel

Pretty much.

Negative-amortization loans. The payment doesn't even cover the interest at first, but increases for 5 years, then BAM you start paying principal and the payment doubles.

These loans have existed for years but only in specialty markets. The idea was that the borrower could still afford a traditional payment but wanted a temporary respite to invest the money elsewhere or something. But when Joe Six-Pack was using these loans as the ONLY WAY they could afford the house, it's a problem.


164 posted on 12/13/2006 6:57:45 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: BubbaHeel
Are you saying that banks in SoCal were making home mortgages with non-constant monthly payments, i.e. monthly mortgage payments that increased over time?

Well, that's the whole con game being discussed here - people have been getting mortgages with artificially low monthly payments in the first 2-5 years, that "reset" to a higher repayment rate later. It's a way for mortgage companies to keep getting an ever-dwindling supply of new buyers into ever more expensive homes. The idea is that these buyers would refinance later, before the reset or ballon payment was due, or that they would sell the house with a nice equity gain before that time ever came. The other implicit assumption by the lender (almost never borne out in reality) is that the buyer's income would magically go up enough to cover the doubled monthly payments.

It looks like a good gamble if you believe house prices will keep inflating 20% a year, forever, or if you fall for the realtor/lender scare tactics such as: "This could be your last chance to own!!!"

175 posted on 12/13/2006 7:04:11 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: BubbaHeel
A typical 'balloon' mortgage would have a thirty year schedule being paid for fifteen years and then a single 'balloon' payment for the second fifteen years.

For example...a $90k balloon loan for thirty years at 10% would have a monthly payment of @ $750 whereas the same loan for 15 years might have a monthly payment of @ $1,200. The buyer takes the thirty year to get the lower payment but must pay-off all the loan in payment number 181. That outstanding amount would be @ $78k.

The buyer is gambling that he will be able to refinance the $78k at a lower rate. If he can't he is screwed.

181 posted on 12/13/2006 7:11:11 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: BubbaHeel
Are you saying that banks in SoCal were making home mortgages with non-constant monthly payments, i.e. monthly mortgage payments that increased over time?

It's not necessarily banks, but those loans have been the main driver of prices here over the last three years. Option ARMs, negative amortization, 100 percent financing, no doc loans.

328 posted on 12/13/2006 9:41:38 PM PST by Pelham (1 Billion 'Guest Workers' to do Jobs Americans Won't Do.)
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