Can't win a debate against a rock....
I know that feeling & it is one of the reasons I FReep.
Much of the American left fears "permanent state of war", listen to them cite Orwell's "1984" and "the military industrial complex", as they're mentally stuck in the anti-American mentality of decades past. While the Cold War has ended, we're dealing with some of the blowback from it. The left never meant for the US to be on the winning side of the Cold War, which is one of the main reasons the left faults the US for everything the US did to fight it. It's like, the US still has some karma to work off, before the left feels they can support the US again. Maybe the next big strike against the homeland will bring them around. Sad that I feel it will take that for them, but there it is.
Damn... sorry this is so late for a response..... but I agree 100% with what you said... but it also makes think of "Animal Farm", by the same author...
I have no problem with 'loss of privacy', meaning cameras everywhere (even if it is similar to George Orwell's "1984")... If you are not guilty of anything... then what have you got to hide? But, then again, I'm not saying more government. I think everyone here understands what FREEDOM means.... and the cost of it.
Oh, and thanks for the welcome (belated :/)